Portuguese League 2014/2015

[monster09]

My argument is statistic and your argument is non existent?

Can't believe someone even needs explanation for those stats. Players who all played against same teams, Nani has done better than most. Is he better player than Hazard? No. But did he play equally good in group stages? Yes. Just like Harry Kane is not better than Costa, Aguero but played equally well in set of games. I said Nani did well in CL and I backed it up by comparing his performance with players played in the same group. Not sure what more you want. He is a winger and I compared with wingers played in the same group. Hard to understand?

Guarian/Hernanes argument? Comparing CMs who fucks up most passes when it's their primary duty to winger whose primary duty is open up defense. And you call others argument ridiculous

Yes, I believe you haven't watched Portuguese league so not sure how you can rate Nani or you said you don't know about Di Maria at ManUtd because you don't give shit about BPL. So how can you rate Nani when you haven't even watched him. I have seen people arguing about players whom they haven't watched at all in this forum.

 

[Cal]

Di maria comparison irrelevant, but Hernanes is :notbad:


It sounds like you're just arguing for the sake of it, bandiera

 

[bandiera]

Seriously? My argument is that Nani is an unintelligent and wasteful player, therefore he is mediocre. "play equally good" as a top player vs a team like maribor is not an achievement. and i assume you're judging how they plyaed based on their goals/assists. hazards game obviously offers so much more than that though.

ok, now i understand what you're saying about my guarin and hernanes point. i still disagree. nani may score a goal/make an assist out of 2 minutes, but the other 88 minutes he screws everything up with bad decision making and not looking up. because of this, he's useless and a liability in any offensively well rounded team.

and don't say that "you havent watched nani" nonsense. im having a discussion with you on the player. if you have continued this far, i assume youre willing to consider im not bullshitting?

 

[wicked wizard]

Can't back up any points, just use the cliche "stats are useless"

Ok. I'm done too. That's why I said in the very first post about how few people judge players on FIF.

If everyone uses same logic then it would be impossible to prove Ronaldo is better than everyone except Messi because team set up, league and all that shit.

Or fail to address this.

so you do agree that stats are the only reason why ppl say Ronaldo is better than Messi ?. If so you must admit how missleading they can be then, right?

 

[wera]

i'm sorry, but your argument is a statistic. you haven't even told me what the fuck you're saying with that ridiculous post. you have to explain what you're trying to say by comparing Hazard and Nani's stats vs maribor its also childish to so easily compare players from different leagues and different teams. the same kinds of generalizations you were making in the icardi thread.

i also backed it up. remember the guarin/hernanes point? easy to forget it right?

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just like i failed to address the di maria nonsense? right, right...

thats not an argument. its irrelevant. i dont need to say that ive watched nani before when im talking about him for three pages. jesus christ.

bandiera what is this Maribor you speak of, surely it is not the team that beat Celtic (lol everybody can beat Celtic) and also gathered points against Schalke, Sporting and Chelsea?

 

[Wings]

I don't think stats make a player, but I also don't see the need to scoff and pretend that statistics have absolutely no meaning.

 

[monster09]

so you do agree that stats are the only reason why ppl say Ronaldo is better than Messi ?. If so you must admit how missleading they can be then, right?

No. People said Ronaldo was better than Messi because he played better in the last 2 years and rightly won best player award. This year, in 2015 Messi is clearly playing better.

 

[Big Willy]

So Ryan Gauld (19) of Scotland seems to be breaking into the Sporting first team, winning man of the match in a cup win in his home debut, and being included in most A team squads. Exciting.

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Grande Gauld :') was my star player in the Milwall journey to Premier League in the infamous game yall know and play everyday.

 

[Azul]

He´s only starting to appear on the 1st team on occasion. He´s definitely a player in whom them keep a lot of high expectations.

Speaking of Sporting today Porto plays vs Sporting.

Since I talked about Sporting just a couple of weeks ago I´ll update about Porto.

Porto seems to finally have reached some stability on the team and now we now often what the 1st choices are, the team with the new coach and a lot of new players made it hard but it seems that the process is done by now.

Curious thing is that with that a player like Indi, who was by far the better CB of the season and a really expensive buy, lost his spot to Marcano. Oliver gained the spot on the center on the dispute with Quintero and Quaresma found again his place on the team (even though being a sub now enters often and have been decisive some of the games).

The only thing that´s uncertain about tonight is who´ll play on the spot of Oliver, out injured, Brahimi in the middle is an option that worked great last game but with Tello and Quaresma on the wings and Brahimi in the middle the team loses a lot of balance and is very focused on the attack, same if Quintero plays which is very unlikely. IMO it´ll be between R. Neves and Evandro.

Porto:

--------------Fabiano
Danilo - Maicon - Marcano - A. Sandro
---------------Casemiro
--------Evandro ----------- Herrera
Tello ----------Jackson------------Brahimi

Sporting:

--------------Rui Patrício
Cedric - Tobias F. - Paulo Oliv. - Jonathan
---------------William Carvalho
--------Adrien ----------- João Mário
Carrillo ----------Montero------------Nani

Jonathan Silva will replace Jefferson who had a fight with the president and demanded a raise, he´s now training with the B team, apart from that it´s the same thing as the game vs Benfica. Slimani is availuable now but will likely only start on the bench.

On a curious note Porto hasn´t win any of the big games this season counting a lose to Benfica a a draw and a defeat to Sporting.

I´m hoping for a tough 2-1 win tonigh.

 

[Cal]

Scotland's Ryan Gauld says more young players should follow his lead and quit British football in order to develop.

"It's a chance to experience a different lifestyle, a different culture and a different style of play."

"It's certainly something I would encourage.

"The common route is to go to England, but I felt like coming abroad would test myself and I would find out what my personality is really like."

"It took me a few months to feel like I'd really settled in, Not speaking a word of Portuguese - it was very difficult at the time.

"Nani has been brilliant with me. After training he's made sure that everything is good with me and even in training he makes sure I'm totally concentrated, telling me the things I need to work on."

"There's the moments where training finishes and you're back in your house by one o'clock and you've got the rest of the day with nothing to do,You're just sitting there wondering what you can do and wishing you were back home with your pals.

"But that's just something I've got to deal with if I want to be the best that I can be at football, and go through the hard times to enjoy the good."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32069992

 

[J..]

Azul: Is it normal for Portuguese teams to dive as much as we saw today with Porto? I hate to watch this kind of football. It reminds me of watching the El Clasico.

With this said. I'm impressed of how Porto played this match. Pressing the two CB's turned out to be the way to do it against Bayern München.

 

[thatdude]

This is just football now a days man. People will take any advantage they can to win. Italian teams do it to.

 

[Azul]

Not often I think the pressure of the big games plus the refs leads to this, for instance Porto´s players hardly ever dive in the league, the same goes for Benfica and Sporting because those teams are always offensive in the league and don´t need to, but in game between themselves almost every hit makes them fall, and here comes the refs part, they could just not call those fouls but they do it anyway and worse they tend not to sign fouls unless the players falls on the ground, which is stupid. This leads to diving at pretty much any minor charge.

I think that was what happened yesterday, the notion that the opponent was stronger, the need to stop the game to set our tempo and not let Bayern manage the game like they wanted to, plus the ref letting it happen.

It´s not pretty of course and it makes the game much less appealing, not only for the average viewer but also to us as fans as well.

 

[Azul]

Benfica Porto this afternoon.

Benfica is 3pts ahead and playing at home and with not so many minutes played is the clear favourite.

2 very important players for both team are out injured, Salvio and Tello.

If Benfica wins is league over, if Porto wins will be a fight until the end but with Benfica with the upper hand with the goal average and an easier fixture on the remaining games.
With a big investment this season Porto is in a big risk of not winning anything.

Benfica:

--------Júlio César
Maxi--- Luisão-- Jardel -- Eliseu
-----------Samaris
O. John-------Pizzi----- Gaitan
-----------Jonas
----------------Lima

Porto:

--------------Fabiano
Danilo - Maicon - Marcano - A. Sandro
---------------Casemiro
--------Óliver ----------- Herrera
Quaresma ----------Jackson------------Brahimi

 

[thatdude]

So after all the early season hype about Talisca, is he even a starter anymore? How about Cristante who was also very highly rated?

 

[Azul]

Talisca disappeared as fast as he appeared.
He started at a great level but once Jonas signed for Benfica and reached a good physical level it was obvious that the place was his.
Then a set of things like Lima started to score again after a very poor start of the season, JJ trying to play him as the midfield player that plays a mix of 8/10 for Benfica and that clearly doesn´t suit him since it makes him play too far from the attacking 1/3 and lately injuries made him lose the spark that he showed before. He´s still very young and only in the 1st season here, I´m sure he´ll still have a lot of time to show himself.

Cristante hardly ever plays, I honestly can´t remember the last time he played 90´, he usually plays in minor competitions, he only has a bit over 9 full matches of game time the entire season I can´t say much about him at this time.

 

[Azul]

Very boring game last night with a boring result 0-0.

With this Benfica has the league on the bag.

There´s not much to say, Porto tried, as we had to, attack more and run the game, we did that during the first half, Benfica had 0 shots, but that didn´t equal a good game for us nor a lot of chances, we only had one true chance where Jackson shot above the goal in an excellent position.
In the 2nd part Benfica made the game more even, but also more sitting back waiting for an opportunity to score, Porto was struggling to create attacking chances and the minutes kept going without much to say. Jackson missed a huge chance after a great pass by Herrera, he failed the 1st touch and after that Julione was too close to the ball for him to be able to finish. Until the end only a similar change as Jackson had for Benfica, Fejsa also shot over the goal and a dangerous counter attack for either team with a bad last pass/shot by A. Sandro and Pizzi respectively.

I feel that Lopetegui didn´t approach the game in the right way, the full backs from Benfica aren´t good defensively and playing with Óliver on the wing was a clear bad decision because we lost any depth from that wing, considering that Brahimi tends to run to the middle with the ball we didnt have any chances from where, theoretically, we could benefit, Quaresma would be a better option but Lopetegui likes to make invention in the big games.

Wasn´t expecting much after Munich but this still leaves a bad taste in my mouth obviously.
I´m biased but I still believe we are the better team in the league but stupid mistakes and points lost, mostly during the 1st 2 months made the title very hard to win and Benfica without being brilliant, we weren´t either, were regular during the whole campaign and will be the fair winners.

I don´t think there´s much more to say of the league that´s relevant now so unless something happens I´ll probably only make a final analysis of the teams players once the league ends.

 

[wera]

In other news, this just happened

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