Roberto Mancini

[monster09]

Mabye i didn't explained very well. Toninu pointed out that Mancini is spending plenty of cash and my point is that sometimes we have to look at the whole picture, not only at the part of it. And Dzeko was an example - Let say that Mancio had spent 35 mln on him for transfer fee and let say that this is much. But this summer Dzeko got sold for 19 mln and the difference is (35-19=16) 16 mln. So, it means that these 16 mln are the loss (apart of his salary of course) - Let say the "real" transfer fee for him. And under "which is not much for a player like Dzeko", i meant that this sum is even small compare to his contribution to the team during his spell there.
I dont think that Mancio's expenses there were so huge, compare to the others teams in EPL. Just see Pellegrini this year - over 70 mln for De Bryne, let say 50 for Sterling and 40 more for Otamendi = more than 160 mln., only this summer! Then just add the transfer fees of Boni, Navas, Mangala, Fernando and Fenandinho and you will get the whole picture. And this is provided he was a foundation of likes of Dzeko, Toure,Silva,Compani, Zabaleta, Kolarov, Milner and Nasri. When Mancini succeeded Hughes he'd had on his disposal only Compani, Zabaleta and Milner as far as remember and he had to start almost from the scratch to build a team.
See also Van Gaal. He's splashed crazy money for two transfer windows. 50 mln + 30 bonuses for Marcial?! WTF

You can't compare the transfer fee that are paid today with what happened 5 years back. The transfer fee have increased so much with all the new TV deal and big money investment.

 

[varmin]

You can't compare the transfer fee that are paid today with what happened 5 years back. The transfer fee have increased so much with all the new TV deal and big money investment.

Ok, i'm agree with that, but my point is that Mancini is not so big spender like some people want to make him, especially considering the club's resources. In City he had loads of cash and he used it, but same goes for Pellegrini and Van Gaal.

 

[Sassuolu]

Mabye i didn't explained very well. Toninu pointed out that Mancini is spending plenty of cash and my point is that sometimes we have to look at the whole picture, not only at the part of it. And Dzeko was an example - Let say that Mancio had spent 35 mln on him for transfer fee and let say that this is much. But this summer Dzeko got sold for 19 mln and the difference is (35-19=16) 16 mln. So, it means that these 16 mln are the loss (apart of his salary of course) - Let say the "real" transfer fee for him. And under "which is not much for a player like Dzeko", i meant that this sum is even small compare to his contribution to the team during his spell there.
I dont think that Mancio's expenses there were so huge, compare to the others teams in EPL. Just see Pellegrini this year - over 70 mln for De Bryne, let say 50 for Sterling and 40 more for Otamendi = more than 160 mln., only this summer! Then just add the transfer fees of Boni, Navas, Mangala, Fernando and Fenandinho and you will get the whole picture. And this is provided he was a foundation of likes of Dzeko, Toure,Silva,Compani, Zabaleta, Kolarov, Milner and Nasri. When Mancini succeeded Hughes he'd had on his disposal only Compani, Zabaleta and Milner as far as remember and he had to start almost from the scratch to build a team.
See also Van Gaal. He's splashed crazy money for two transfer windows. 50 mln + 30 bonuses for Marcial?! WTF

^ I was trolling

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You can't compare the transfer fee that are paid today with what happened 5 years back. The transfer fee have increased so much with all the new TV deal and big money investment.

Yep 3 years ago is ancient history, now it's ok to spend because United are doing it too.

 

[skyline1908]

apparently Mancio and Miha places a bet for every derby, who ever wins must donate money to some charity organisation (imigrants now), and if its a tie, they double up.


SO MUCH RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bandiera]

Yep 3 years ago is ancient history, now it's ok to spend because United are doing it too.

Transfer fees have experienced a lot of inflation over the past few years. You cannot deny that. People aren't blaming him for spending money at City. They're blaming him for doing little else than spending. It's best illustrated by the fact he had Carlos fucking Tevez in his prime for years and it only took a year at Juventus in a well organized team under a proper coach, aged 31, to see his true potential as Europe's best striker other than Messi and Ronaldo. While he scored, what, 11 league goals in his last season at City?

 

[cuckooc]

Transfer fees have experienced a lot of inflation over the past few years. You cannot deny that. People aren't blaming him for spending money at City. They're blaming him for doing little else than spending. It's best illustrated by the fact he had Carlos fucking Tevez in his prime for years and it only took a year at Juventus in a well organized team under a proper coach, aged 31, to see his true potential as Europe's best striker other than Messi and Ronaldo. While he scored, what, 11 league goals in his last season at City?

Ibra became a complete forward under Mancio. He has huge improvement compared with his years at JuBe. Even his teammate admitted that Ibra's finishing was not that good before and can't take penalty while at JuBe.

 

[Armes]

hm no. Ibra became whatever the fuck he wanted under himself. Mancini has nothing to do with it.

 

[RMancini10]

http://www.thesportbible.com/articl...erto-mancini-mocks-robbie-savage-on-instagram

Classic Bobby Manc!

 

[TGDella]

Transfer fees have experienced a lot of inflation over the past few years. You cannot deny that. People aren't blaming him for spending money at City. They're blaming him for doing little else than spending. It's best illustrated by the fact he had Carlos fucking Tevez in his prime for years and it only took a year at Juventus in a well organized team under a proper coach, aged 31, to see his true potential as Europe's best striker other than Messi and Ronaldo. While he scored, what, 11 league goals in his last season at City?

Tevez was not so amazing at united too (tho by no means bad at either)...can you argue that they weren't well a well organized team? Ferguson not a proper coach? Don't think so. Tevez was made for serie a more than anywhere else.
Youve got to factor in the fact that he was starting from very little at city (kind of like inter now, hence the big spending that were currently seeing) and its testament to his choices that so many of his signings were retained by pellegrini. As bluenine pointed out in a very astute post a while back, Mancini reduced inters spending to a much more respectable standard than it had previously been as well as providing a solid spell of success in his first era. So there's decent evidence that he's not a one dimensional 'spender' who raids the market and hopes things will fall together.

 

[RMancini10]

Transfer fees have experienced a lot of inflation over the past few years. You cannot deny that. People aren't blaming him for spending money at City. They're blaming him for doing little else than spending. It's best illustrated by the fact he had Carlos fucking Tevez in his prime for years and it only took a year at Juventus in a well organized team under a proper coach, aged 31, to see his true potential as Europe's best striker other than Messi and Ronaldo. While he scored, what, 11 league goals in his last season at City?

This is mostly bullshit. If you had watched Tevez under Mancini you would have seen that until Aguero arrived he was a fantastic player. So many times he led the team from the front and was the sole scorer of most of City's goals. Once Aguero arrived, as well as other big players, Tevez no longer had to carry the attack. Afterwards it was obvious he was unhappy for many reasons; homesickness, not always a great relationship with Mancini, losing his place etc. Juventus gave him a fresh start where once again he was the main attacking outlet, here he was just doing it on a bigger stage than with City before they reached the Champions League.

 

[monster09]

Yep 3 years ago is ancient history, now it's ok to spend because United are doing it too.

This doesn't make any sense and I didn't comment anything on United spending and it's not 3 years, it was 5 years back when Yaya Toure, Silva and Dzeko were signed.

 

[Sassuolu]

Yeah 5 years ago is the cut off point for comparing transfers. I agree.

 

[monster09]

Yeah 5 years ago is the cut off point for comparing transfers. I agree.

If you can't see how transfer market is inflated and how high prices are commanded today than before then I can't help you.

Sterling for 49 Million pounds.
Martial for 36M + addons.
KDB for 55 Million pounds
Everton rejected 40 Million pounds bid for Stones
West Brom rejected 23 Million pounds bid for Berahino.

Kane after 1 good year is rated as 50 Million pound player.

Money involved in today's game is far higher than before so you can't compare the transfer fee paid back then.
Like N4L said you have to compare to what other clubs paid at that time.

If you compare others prices:
Romagnoli for 25 Million
Dybala 30 Million
Bertolacci 20 Million
Kondogbia 40 Million
Jackson Martinez 35 Millon
Turan 35 Million
Danilo 32 Million
Abdennour 30 Million

All these are bigger transfer fee which might not have cost so much few years back

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Transfer fees have experienced a lot of inflation over the past few years. You cannot deny that. People aren't blaming him for spending money at City. They're blaming him for doing little else than spending. It's best illustrated by the fact he had Carlos fucking Tevez in his prime for years and it only took a year at Juventus in a well organized team under a proper coach, aged 31, to see his true potential as Europe's best striker other than Messi and Ronaldo. While he scored, what, 11 league goals in his last season at City?

Honest question man, did you watch Tevez playing for City in his first 2 seasons?

 

[bandiera]

did i ever say tevez was bad at city? no. but did he ever reach the heights he reached after only a year at juve? absolutely not.

mancini had a player who only needed 12 months at a well organized team under a proper coach to become the bset striker in europe other than messi and ronaldo and the heartbeat of a side that almost won a treble. at city mancio did what he did at inter - outspend his competitors and overload with talented players. tevez didn't fulfill his true potential in england because mancini didn't accommodate him and we have only seen what he was capable of at juve.

he blindly threw tevez on alongside aguero, silva, nasri, yaya toure without having a clue of building a well organized team that isn't depend on individual talent going forward. dude was even put on the bench because they had too many forwards.

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Tevez was not so amazing at united too (tho by no means bad at either)...can you argue that they weren't well a well organized team? Ferguson not a proper coach? Don't think so. Tevez was made for serie a more than anywhere else.
Youve got to factor in the fact that he was starting from very little at city (kind of like inter now, hence the big spending that were currently seeing) and its testament to his choices that so many of his signings were retained by pellegrini. As bluenine pointed out in a very astute post a while back, Mancini reduced inters spending to a much more respectable standard than it had previously been as well as providing a solid spell of success in his first era. So there's decent evidence that he's not a one dimensional 'spender' who raids the market and hopes things will fall together.

he scored 52 goals in his first two seasons at city so i dnt think it was ever an issue of him struggling to fit into the pl.

testament to his choices? You're honestly giving him credit for signing players at the level of david silva, aguero? and you're going to ignore his fuckups? clichy, nasri, lescott, rodwell, balo, javi garcia, kolarov, milner? what about shaqiri and montoya, those were his choices right? selling kovacic was also his choice. his "strategy" has always been to overload on talented attackers and hope they pull something out of their ass ahead of a fuckload of physical dms..

are you actually giving mancini credit for pellegrini not selling the entire squad? he understands continuity is important to play good football. he doesn't feel the need to spend more money on new backups/average starters and overload on talent in every position, or replace great players he inherited.

i was actually watching an old UCL game of ours vs pellegrini's villareal recently and it made me happy and sad at the same time. happy because JZ, deki, and adriano were beasts. sad because mancini did the same thing he has always done. hope our talented players pull something straight out of their asses. the reason he's never been successful in europe is because that won't work against teams that are just as, if not more talented than you are. this is why mancini is cancer for any team that has goals to be financially responsible.

comparing Mancini's spending to the Moratti era is absurd because that should never be the standard. that's like saying gasperini is a boss because he isn't stramaccioni. better is not equal to good. committing to spend 120 mill in one transfer window is insane. a lot of people like to say top 3 or gtfo, but even if we're in UCL, what then? it'll make no difference because he isn't the right manager for inter. i'd sack him for a better manager even if we finish top 3. his sacking is not a question of if but when, unless he leaves soon. you should also compare mancini's spending to that of our competitors and no coach in italy has been given the faith and money we've given him.

mancini did not "provide" a decent spell of success, because with or without him it would've happened anyways. we could have had mazzarri as manager and we still would've won those titles. it was zlatan who provided that success. post hoc logical fallacy.

 

[monster09]

did i ever say tevez was bad at city? no. but did he ever reach the heights he reached only a year at juve? absolutely not.

You didn't watch him at City but you are sure he never reached the heights. Not sure that works.

 

[bandiera]

You didn't watch him at City but you are sure he never reached the heights. Not sure that works.

when did i ever say i didn't watch him at city? and why the fuck would i be talking about him at city if i didnt watch him there? mancini had him for years in his prime and had the resources to build an organized team around him. instead he just bought more strikers and threw all of them together on the pitch without accommodating anyone. fact is tevez was never as good at city as he was after only a year at juve. homesickness and lack of motivation played a part but they were definitely not the only things at work.

 

[Sassuolu]

Yeah and Aguero was also awful under Mancini.

 

[bandiera]

Yeah and Aguero was also awful under Mancini.

because that's what i said? stop taking my words out of context. reductio ad absurdum bro. straw mans galore. its a slippery slope. why do you feel a constant need to sarcastically exaggerate everything into black and white? not cool.

 

[Devious]

Mans is incorrect, men is plural of man, not mans.

Right Black knight, sir?

 

[Dylan]

Transfer fees have experienced a lot of inflation over the past few years. You cannot deny that. People aren't blaming him for spending money at City. They're blaming him for doing little else than spending. It's best illustrated by the fact he had Carlos fucking Tevez in his prime for years and it only took a year at Juventus in a well organized team under a proper coach, aged 31, to see his true potential as Europe's best striker other than Messi and Ronaldo. While he scored, what, 11 league goals in his last season at City?

Tevez had two consecutive seasons with Tevez having 20 or more goals in the league alone under Mancini. You claim he just threw them together but what's wrong with that when it worked and won the league? Pellegrini hasn't been able to do much better than him in Europe.