Roberto Mancini

[Harpsabu]

Medel is still very under rated here. I think a lot of teams would really benefit from having him.

 

[Fapuccino]

Medel is still very under rated here. I think a lot of teams would really benefit from having him.

Frosinone, Carpi, etc...

 

[Harpsabu]

Frosinone, Carpi, etc...

Don't forget Chievo

 

[achilles]

Melo and Medel are tacklers. Fantastic tacklers. Why would we NOT want players like that? Yes, they are short on attacking quality. So what? Tacklers don't only break down opposition attacks, they win the ball for their team. No point in comparing them to Pirlo or Xavi Alonso. Their defensive contribution is much more, so of course their offensive contribution isn't equal to Pirlo or Alonso! Otherwise they would be widely known as much better than Pirlo or Alonso!

Personally, I am a big fan of the versatility and squad depth we are showing. Its fantastic. What chance does an opposition coach really have, of naming our starting XI and tactics, for any given game?

And Brozovic must have heard I was talking of replacing him with Moussa Sissoko. He has been fantastic these last few games... Luckily Sissoko can still take Guarin's spot

 

[wera]

Melo is slowly losing his edge and Medel gets outdribbled and outrunned too much. His positioning is not his better trait, altho I was impressed by him this season when playing cb.

We need both right now, that is true.

But already planning for their successor is not a bad thing. We need either somebody who knows how to position himself (the busquets/javi martinez types) or a physical beast (sissoko/wanyama types)

 

[Bluenine]

Melo is slowly losing his edge and Medel gets outdribbled and outrunned too much. His positioning is not his better trait, altho I was impressed by him this season when playing cb.

We need both right now, that is true.

But already planning for their successor is not a bad thing. We need either somebody who knows how to position himself (the busquets/javi martinez types) or a physical beast (sissoko/wanyama types)

I think you are being a bit harsh on Melo/Medel. Someone like Wanyama is not an upgrade on these guys.

I am happy with Melo/Medel, and maybe in a year or two Gnoukouri-Kondogbia can take over. Till then, we should loan Gnoukouri out to gain experience, and Kondogbia needs to improve the defensive aspects of his game. IMO K-dog can become a versatile player who can play B2B as well as DM when needed, i.e. follow the path of Yaya Toure.

 

[wera]

I was giving examples of the type of players we might look into, not the names of exact players. DM is an important position for Mancini's Inter. Kdog plays like a pussy in defence, he needs to grow some balls.

 

[Wallace]

I'm not worried, we can always cash in on Kondogbia and get another DM.

6 months nearly up anyway.

 

[Sqnalkel]

Melo and Medel are tacklers. Fantastic tacklers. Why would we NOT want players like that? Yes, they are short on attacking quality. So what? Tacklers don't only break down opposition attacks, they win the ball for their team. No point in comparing them to Pirlo or Xavi Alonso. Their defensive contribution is much more, so of course their offensive contribution isn't equal to Pirlo or Alonso! Otherwise they would be widely known as much better than Pirlo or Alonso!

Personally, I am a big fan of the versatility and squad depth we are showing. Its fantastic. What chance does an opposition coach really have, of naming our starting XI and tactics, for any given game?

And Brozovic must have heard I was talking of replacing him with Moussa Sissoko. He has been fantastic these last few games... Luckily Sissoko can still take Guarin's spot

Medel has been pretty good this season, an overhaul compared to last season, but he isn't a fantastic tackler by any stretch of the imagination, he's not even a decent one, at least for a DM.

This are our Top 10 players with most successful tackles this season:

Player	Minutes	Attempted Tackles	Successful Tackles	Dribbled by	Success %
D'Ambrosio	345	3.9	3.4	0.5	86.7
Nagatomo	384	4	3.3	0.7	82.4
Juan Jesus	526	4.1	3.1	1	75
Kondogbia	892	3.9	2.9	1	74.4
Melo	890	4	2.5	1.5	62.5
Miranda	1111	2.8	2.2	0.6	79.4
Telles	786	3.3	2.1	1.3	62.1
Medel	1131	3.5	2	1.5	56.8
Guarín	902	2.8	1.9	0.9	67.9
Brozović	624	4	1.9	2.2	46.4

Only Brozović (46.4 %) has a worst Tackling Success Rate than Medel (56.8 %), he's way worse than Kondogbia (74.4 %) whom despite averaging almost a tackle more per game it's still much more successful, hell he's considerably worse than Guarín (67.9 %), who gets tons of shit in this forum for everything he does or doesn't.

 

[chipschups]

Oh naga and ambrosio number is so good, and that bro dribble by number is reason why mancini didnt play him as midfield two and put him on more advance role as aml or amc.

 

[Mortimer]

I believe every inter fans is happy to see where Inter is at the moment. But, don't forget that many has adapted to a lower, much lower expectations due to the poor club status in the last few seasons. While some others are still expecting Inter as the team to challenge CL title, not only 3rd spot in the domestic league. It's just a matter of perspective.

I think every fan is happy with the results so far, but many are looking over their shoulder at Juve. I'm still to be convinced about whether they have turned the corner from their lousy start because they still lack cohesion much of the time even though they are now winning. One problem Inter will have in the second half is they have to play Fio, Juve, Roma, and Lazio on the road. The only contender they have at home is Napoli. Juve have almost the opposite schedule since they have almost all the tough teams at home in the second half. Who the hell arranged that?? :wth:

 

[Sqnalkel]

Oh naga and ambrosio number is so good, and that bro dribble by number is reason why mancini didnt play him as midfield two and put him on more advance role as aml or amc.

Keep in mind that playing further up the field is harder to have as much success tackling because the opponent have a lot more space.

These were Brozović's numbers last season:

Player	Minutes	Attempted Tackles	Successful Tackles	Dribbled by	Success %
Brozović	1058	5.2	3.4	1.8	65.6

By the way I missed Biabiany for some reason in the last table, he's actually our player with the most successful tackles per game (90 minutes).

I'm gonna compare him with Perišić, whom people here like to pretend he helps a lot defensively because he runs a lot, which of course it's not true because Perišić is a headless chicken that's useless at pretty much everything:

Player	Minutes	Attempted Tackles	Successful Tackles	Dribbled by	Success %
Biabiany	330	4.9	4.1	0.8	83.3
Perišić	976	1.7	0.9	0.7	55.6

Hmm, it's way worse than I expected, I already thought Perišić was pretty useless just by watching him play, in numbers it looks even worse. Biabiany on the other hand is very impressive.

 

[Cómi]

Medel has been pretty good this season, an overhaul compared to last season, but he isn't a fantastic tackler by any stretch of the imagination, he's not even a decent one, at least for a DM.

Only Brozović (46.4 %) has a worst Tackling Success Rate than Medel (56.8 %), he's way worse than Kondogbia (74.4 %) whom despite averaging almost a tackle more per game it's still much more successful, hell he's considerably worse than Guarín (67.9 %), who gets tons of shit in this forum for everything he does or doesn't.

Why didn't you sort the data by percentage of success? I wonder if the numbers show fullbacks are better tacklers because wingers constantly want to take them on? You're right about Medel, his tackling is nothing special. But he harasses the opposition's midfield the whole game and that sort of pressure forces poor decisions. I noticed that in some he goes into tackles that push the ball into dangerous places, which shows a lack of tactical awareness. Honestly from what I've seen I don't think he's really Champions League quality, maybe only a sub.

 

[Javier'sSon]

 

[Ronin]

dank meme

 

[achilles]

I am of the opinion players take on the likes of Medel and Melo much less times than they do Nagatomo or D'Ambrosio.

I am pretty sure I would be willing to take on Nagatomo (not saying I would get by him), but Melo or Medel... Not so much.

And its not just the tackles, its disrupting the opposition's attack. Sometimes its just pressure due to intense pressing, sometimes it just means getting a toe to a ball. Either way, I like to have one or the other in the team, at basically all times.

 

[Sqnalkel]

I am of the opinion players take on the likes of Medel and Melo much less times than they do Nagatomo or D'Ambrosio.

I am pretty sure I would be willing to take on Nagatomo (not saying I would get by him), but Melo or Medel... Not so much.

And its not just the tackles, its disrupting the opposition's attack. Sometimes its just pressure due to intense pressing, sometimes it just means getting a toe to a ball. Either way, I like to have one or the other in the team, at basically all times.

Don't know why whould anyone want to take on Nagatomo instead of Medel considering is much harder to take on the Japanese (82.4% tackling success) than the Chilean (56.8% tackling success). In fact Cuadrado who is one of the best if not the best dribbler in Serie A have been owned by Nagatomo everytime he has faced him.

 

[Bluenine]

Don't know why whould anyone want to take on Nagatomo instead of Medel considering is much harder to take on the Japanese (82.4% tackling success) than the Chilean (56.8% tackling success). In fact Cuadrado who is one of the best if not the best dribbler in Serie A have been owned by Nagatomo everytime he has faced him.

Just purely looking at stats is often misleading. It is not the same to complete a successful tackle on the wing as compared to the centre. The tackles that DMs and CBs need to do are often the hardest. So % success in tackles cannot be compared across very different roles.

 

[Sqnalkel]

Just purely looking at stats is often misleading. It is not the same to complete a successful tackle on the wing as compared to the centre. The tackles that DMs and CBs need to do are often the hardest. So % success in tackles cannot be compared across very different roles.

Medel still have one of the worst tackling success % in Serie A and all European top leagues DMs, at least of the ones that play comparable minutes with him, and it was the same last season, thankfully his positioning improved a lot this season.

Good tacklers DMs are around 65%, the really good ones are around 70%, only like around 10 DMs are 75% or above in Europe top leagues, for example Krychowiak have been above 75% four seasons in a row, the last two above 80%.

On the other Medel's tackling is average at best, not only it's his tackling success low, his average per game is extremely low, most DMs average 3-4 tackles per game, Medel only averages 2 per game.

 

[Bluenine]

Medel still have one of the worst tackling success % in Serie A and all European top leagues DMs, at least of the ones that play comparable minutes with him, and it was the same last season, thankfully his positioning improved a lot this season.

Good tacklers DMs are around 65%, the really good ones are around 70%, only like around 10 DMs are 75% or above in Europe top leagues, for example Krychowiak have been above 75% four seasons in a row, the last two above 80%.

On the other Medel's tackling is average at best, not only it's his tackling success low, his average per game is extremely low, most DMs average 3-4 tackles per game, Medel only averages 2 per game.

Yeah, but tackles are not the only thing a DM brings to the table. Medel is constantly in the face of opposing teams players, he closes space and exerts pressure - maybe he does not need to make so many tackles because he "forces errors". He brings intensity and tenacity to our midfield, and you cannot put stats on that.

I am not a very big fan of such stats - they may be useful to calculate PES style ratings for a video game, but in real life there is so much more to a players performance. Stats should be looked at selectively to augment a real-life hypothesis, not to create the hypothesis.

Back to point, can we improve on Medel? Yeah, sure. Maybe next season when we are in the CL we will need a higher quality DM (though I would focus more on a better ball playing DM rather than specifically a better tackler). But is this an immediate problem that needs fixing asap in January? No. We are ok for now with Medel.