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There's a huge difference between 33yo versus 35 and free versus 10m. Then bringing another same old fart, same position whom we had paid 7m to leave a year earlier. Retarded decision.

You remember it wrongly on Casadei too. Nobody complained on freaking 18m. Some cried on our poverty hence unable to reject such fee and that's it.

Btw judging a 21yo a failure right now..moving to a different culture, is only proving my point of impatience on youngsters.
The figures don't matter so much, as they are not so big. 10mln, actually 8 mln are nothing on today's market. Many people used to complain why we paid money for Sommer and question his transfer, but he turned to be good, so everyone is silent right now.
My point is that we are always complaining about young vs old, but that is not always justified. Of course, it is very easy to point on some transfer, when it was already proven as a failure. But, the trick is to make a right assessment before that. Which was my general point in my previous comment.
And that also depends on the coach as well. Inzaghi likes to rely on more experienced players, and if the management can provide him that, I don't mind. At least, if we keep our promising talents in hand. For me, it is quite obvious that we cannot make a spot for all of Fabbian, Esposito, Oristanio, Carboni, Mulattieri, Pirola etc., because of that some of them need to be sold in order to bring some money.
And I didn't say that Casadei is a failure at 21, but you cannot compare the impact of Mkhitaryan right now vs Casadei. There is not even any guarantee that Casadei will reach Mkhitaryan's level in future.
 
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I think a U23 squad for me is a way to step them into the first team, and for those that undershoot, you can consider selling them. It means you dont have to have that weird space where they arent good enough to be a first team squad player, but they're too good/old/experienced for the primavera. I'd love for us to launch an U-23 team, and it means situations where, e.g., we're short a striker or a CB we can take the best prospects from youth
 

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Sampdoria with two heavy defeats without this guy - he's been injured the last two games.
 

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Fielding youth players or veterans isn't some ideological choice. It serves a purpose who gets to the first team and gets onto the pitch. Using youth players isn't valuable in itself.
This and esposito has shown a very poor attitude in his loan spell acting like a fucking diva....
Keeping him would have been a mistake...
I also think recalling him would be dumb, let him learn his lesson and at least play one full good season as a professional before we reward him with a squad spot.
 

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I think a U23 squad for me is a way to step them into the first team, and for those that undershoot, you can consider selling them. It means you dont have to have that weird space where they arent good enough to be a first team squad player, but they're too good/old/experienced for the primavera. I'd love for us to launch an U-23 team, and it means situations where, e.g., we're short a striker or a CB we can take the best prospects from youth
If I'm not mistaken you were against a B team similar to Juve B when we discussed this a while ago. What changed?
 

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If I'm not mistaken you were against a B team similar to Juve B when we discussed this a while ago. What changed?
Was I? I don't think so, I thought I'd been in favour since they were first announced.

I think there are some functional challenges for us, eg stadia, cost, and actually who stays in the B team Vs who goes on loan, but I think the benefits outweigh the costs. As far as I can remember I've been advocating for us to have a B team like Barca does because it's been such a productive way for them to develop players
 

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It was sometime ago, but i believe the argument was how many Serie A players in top teams had played in Serie C. Hence it's not useful.

But 100% agree with you in that the benefits outweighs the costs.
 

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It was sometime ago, but i believe the argument was how many Serie A players in top teams had played in Serie C. Hence it's not useful.

But 100% agree with you in that the benefits outweighs the costs.

Ah yeah - so I kinda mention that above - the best younger players you'd prefer to loan out to Serie A/B sides rather than play in the B team by the time they're 20/21/22, but for 17/18 it probably works as a nice stepping stone. One thing there as well is that historically we've been quite poor at loan selection, and at least at Inter B we would have control of when they are playing

Like for me it's the next natural step after 17/18 in the Primavera and if you stay at Inter B after that it means you've probably gotten into the first team fringe and you kinda hover between Serie C and Serie A


Also iirc my argument was more that - no matter the level - you should be playing at first team (and I think starting for Inter B counts as first team) by the time you are 19/20. Yes it's true like 80% of our squad are at a top flight level by then, but I think the regular game time is far more important than the level as such at that age - which is why I've always been in favour of B teams. We can get our developmental players starting regularly and promote them up to the A if there's a short term need. If they look too good for the B team then you can make the call on a loan out Vs first team squad case by case
 
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You guys are forgetting i think that a B team needs investments this club can't take for now. Aside of the obvious costs of running a football club we would need to invest in players as well.
You can't feed that team with just the output from primavera , we produce like what 7/8 players max that can aim for a professional football player level
Lets add 5/6 useless ones to them just to fill up the roster , you still need to buy 5 more youngsters that have enough high potential to justify the investment on a B team.
We are barely buying players for 1st team these days, why do you think we would invest 3-4M+ on buying high potential youngsters as well

Keep in mind that what juves B team shows is that it is the right path to develop young players by giving them space within your system in a B team. But all these high potential players like the 3 frosinone ones , Yldiz etc are all players Juventus has bought and send to the B team not players coming up the youth ranks. Hence it needs investment
 

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this is true, but we also dont need a B team that is 'that' strong at the Serie C level - Juve only have actually a few at that sort of level, and I'm sure we could build it out of Bosman reasonably well?

Having a poor B team is probably better than not having one at all, and I think having some return on investment on that will quite quickly pay for itself too - look at all of our fialed loans in the last few seasons, if those guys had development time in Inter B instead they'd probably have increased their valuation

IMHO of all the risks we can take at the moment, its probably one of the best reward ones
 

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Milan are officially launching their B team
 

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we need a b team thread btw :D
 

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this is true, but we also dont need a B team that is 'that' strong at the Serie C level - Juve only have actually a few at that sort of level, and I'm sure we could build it out of Bosman reasonably well?

Having a poor B team is probably better than not having one at all, and I think having some return on investment on that will quite quickly pay for itself too - look at all of our fialed loans in the last few seasons, if those guys had development time in Inter B instead they'd probably have increased their valuation

IMHO of all the risks we can take at the moment, its probably one of the best reward ones
Don't know about this "poor" B team scenario. You need a serious team, with serious players, coach etc. Proper infrastructure around it. The young players who are suppose to learn something from there, how can they learn if the team is poor? Training needs to be serious, there needs to be a real purpose for the team and it cannot be "just a place for these kids to get their first senior level experience", that wouldn't work at all.

The B team idea is great but as mentioned, it needs investments and it's not a one-time investment. Unfortunately this doesn't belong to the strategy of this club atm as we're just in the business of trying to win it all every season so that's where our funds go to.

Maybe some day this happens. Hopefully sooner than later.
 

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Don't know about this "poor" B team scenario. You need a serious team, with serious players, coach etc. Proper infrastructure around it. The young players who are suppose to learn something from there, how can they learn if the team is poor? Training needs to be serious, there needs to be a real purpose for the team and it cannot be "just a place for these kids to get their first senior level experience", that wouldn't work at all.

The B team idea is great but as mentioned, it needs investments and it's not a one-time investment. Unfortunately this doesn't belong to the strategy of this club atm as we're just in the business of trying to win it all every season so that's where our funds go to.

Maybe some day this happens. Hopefully sooner than later.
My point was we don't need to necessarily go and sign 5 players for 3m each to build a very competitive B team straight away. You need all the infra and training no dispute, but junior was talking about signing non-trivial-cost players to fill the team out. I don't think we necessarily need to do that immediately.
 

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La Liga is far easier for youngsters. Besides, I'd give it some time before jumping on their "exceptional talent" bandwagon. Ansu Fati was kind of similar case, and where's he now?

Also let's not forget Coutinho. He looked far more competitive in that loan spell with Espanyol than how he's done with Inter.
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Ignorance indeed must be bliss

Same league where Messi began? Only reason Ansu isn't still hyped is due to a serious meniscus injury - he has lost the burst & separation he had when he broke onto the scene. And like Fati, Yamal has been extraordinary for several years at every youth category (mostly playing 2 levels above his age, like Messi as it happens). Cubarsi, Fermin, Pedri, Balde, Gavi, Hector - the list is long of Barca youth players who have incredible potential

Lamal is a sensational player who is only 16. Beyond all the statistics etc., it's the decision making & incredible left foot he has


Coutinho only thrived at Liverpool and was not a player who was developed in Spain
 

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At Brighton, with 4 goals to his name this season in all competitions. More than Arnautovic and Sanchez combined :lol:

Plus, he was out for 3+ months due to injury
 

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If you compare Italy with any other league, it's the toughest league for younger players to adapt and thrive.

Spain is easier than Italy, sure.

But Germany from the top leagues is the easiest and I'd reckon England comes second. England also has the issue where a player cannot last very long there. You can import an older player and he'll be decent for a few seasons, but the way they train and the way they handle players on the long run is so poor that it should become illegal.

Spain is more youth-friendly than France. France is okay-ish for domestic talent but foreign young players may find it harder to adapt because it's the most physical of the top 5 leagues.

Dutch, Belgian and Swiss leagues are probably the best environment for younger players to develop. Portugal follows.

Problem is that you need an environment where you can be part of a competitive squad and have as low pressure as possible. The Dutch top sides have pressure of course, but it's not like the Portugal top 3. In the Netherlands, they would understand if their team is struggling for a year or two and if AZ, Twente or earlier Vitesse and Heerenveen would have a great season. In Portugal they won't really accept anything below 1st spot if you're Benfica or Porto, and only Sporting is kinda "allowed" to be a top 3 side. So when you have Braga or years back, Boavista, breaking through, it's a bit alarming to the league. And it causes more pressure to everyone else.

You don't have this in England. And Germany and France were quite similar, but with Bayern and PSG now it's even worse, but it helps with player development.

Part of giving young inexperienced players minutes is to watch them struggle over a couple of seasons. At Inter you cannot afford that. You can barely afford that at Lazio where the aim is to just reach a Euro spot.



Real and Barcelona are doing a great job with their integration of young players but they benefit from being heads and shoulders above most domestic competition and also having some of the best young players to pick from. It's an accomplishment in itself, but it's hard to replicate.


And Inter for example would have been better off if we kept Casadei, Fabbian, Esposito, Zanotti and Pirola at the team instead of signing some veterans or gambles, but it's just tough to operate this way in Italy.
 

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It cannot be ignored that to be successful at integrating youth you have to actually prioritize their development and this is helped by having a consistent philosophy of play across every youth category - few clubs much less leagues do that

Perhaps why even young talents like Dragoni who was developed at Inter but is now at La Masia and alternates between Femeni & Barca B
 
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