Sporting Lisbon - Inter (12 Sep 06)

[Miki]

One question! What european experience does mancini have? He isn't even an ex-inter player and as a result, perhaps he isn't working hard enough.

It is largely irrelevant what experience Mancini holds with regards to the European stage - all coaches have to start somewhere, and as concerns their initialization into a competition akin to the Champions League, they were and are all rookies with no experience to begin with.

What is more pertinent to the problem at hand, is Mancini's ability, or the lack, for that matter, to manage a top flight team.

Signing him is a big undertaking. One has to realise his/her limitation and accordingly sign player. Players which can improve under the guidance of coach, loyalists and experts. Ibra doesn't simply have the patience to be a top class player. I rate Capello highly simply because of his acievements as a coach. If Capello cannot improve this guy what the hell can Mancini do?

I disagree with your asseessment.

Ibrahimovic had a relatively successful first season at Juventus - was that construed as a failure, or not?

Ibrahimovic has the inherent talent at his disposal to claim top honors on both club and individual levels; some of us simply carry a little more faith in the man's desire to flourish in Inter.

Ciao,
Tim

 

[Sisenando]

It is largely irrelevant what experience Mancini holds with regards to the European stage - all coaches have to start somewhere, and as concerns their initialization into a competition akin to the Champions League, they were and are all rookies with no experience to begin with.

It IS largely relevant what experience Mancini has.At least, they were rookies who did not start (after Lazio) with managing the team with the most passionate fans and arguably the biggest club in Italy. After Lazio, he needed more time to take on a big club like Inter, which has much more behind the scenes politics and figures who had to be satisfied as well as characters in the dressing room which are hard headed and Mancini simply had no tact nor the respect which players give to uphold the unity amongst the stars of their respective nations.

The Veron-Adriano spat was an example. A much maligned manager, like Mourinho, with a no-nonsense and dictative character would have straightened that out. Managers have to have a standpoint. They are IN CONTROL. Not THINK they are in control. Mancini is incapable, and Capello is. Simple. Because a club as massive as Real Madrid would entrust their future with Capello, and revolutionise their football club. Whatever the level of support we have for Inter, we cannot hide the riches of history of Real Madrid as the most accomplished club in World football. They know Capello can control the politics, as well as the players. The bigwigs at Madrid are much more direct and are reknowned for their hand in the team selection amongst other things. This club has seen enough, and a Mancini is never the one to take us forward. Inter made a mistake, and they have to make amends for it.

Its like seeing a Southgate at Middlesbrough. Simply ludicrous. How can we even compare Capello to Mancini? Mancini has no history. Yes scudetto, though i am ashamed to say it, his team did not win it on the pitch. Capello won so many, with different teams, and is highly respected.

Ibrahimovic had a relatively successful first season at Juventus - was that construed as a failure, or not?

Ibrahimovic has the inherent talent at his disposal to claim top honors on both club and individual levels; some of us simply carry a little more faith in the man's desire to flourish in Inter.

After that first season? Not too long ago, a certain Mutu was mentioned, where is he now? Same as Anelka at Arsenal, Ronaldo at Inter, Diego Forlan at Villarreal? How can a good first season be a testament to what he is going to do 2 seasons later? I disagree with your judgements. One season wonders are common, and how can you bear witness that Zlatan is not one of them? I can say he is going to do badly, and you cannot be any more correct than me in due response to that statement as your evidence which you put forth are as null and void as mine. So, its a case of what YOU think, not what WILL happen.

 

[Raymondo]

I disagree with your asseessment.

Ibrahimovic had a relatively successful first season at Juventus - was that construed as a failure, or not?

I wouldn't call a player playing for a team which fixed matches successful.

Ibrahimovic has the inherent talent at his disposal to claim top honors on both club and individual levels; some of us simply carry a little more faith in the man's desire to flourish in Inter.

Some of us just crap on a bit more than others. The fact is Ibra doesn't deserve to be in the starting 11 and his performance, or should I say lack of it, today shows he's not up to it. No doubt he'll be fresh for our next game because he did as much work as a 80 minute sub.

 

[milan4eva]

Ibrahimovic has the inherent talent at his disposal to claim top honors on both club and individual levels; some of us simply carry a little more faith in the man's desire to flourish in Inter.

And so was Patrick Kluivert! There is no doubt that he is talented considering his first season at Juve and also Ajax, but has he been consistent enough? What about his attitude? Do you suggest it is good?

Last season you got rid of Veron. I sure hope Ibra doesn't turn out to be like him.

Ibra will always want to start a game. Suppose his game goes to hell, like it did in Juve last what will Mancini do? Let him carry on or let Adriano take the center stage.

Ibra should have been avoided is the first place itself. Whats worse is that you sold Martins who I beleive is way to under rated. Now there is no other option than being optismistic and hope and pray that he will show his real potential.

 

[cool_cuchu]

saying the team sucks at this game is understandable and usefull..
saying that teams need overhauling and the coach needs to be replaced after one lousy games is just so familiar...

I didn't see the game much... so I can't say much... But, I would keep my hope for the CL... we lost one game but not a bunch of losers who gave up just after one game...

 

[Opeum]

i really dissapointed with the result.. but we have 5 more games left, and we need to be at the top level. i really want inter to win the european cup this season if not, roma aor ac milan. becos i think it will benefit italian football.
for **** sake, we need get our ass up!

 

[catanha]

for the record, 1-0 flattered us, it really should've been 2-0 when Moutinho gave the inch perfect cross to Liedson who made the easiest of headers, so we were pretty awful.

 

[Lamb of God]

even though im disgusted at the results but im real serene now.i feel that we will do well in the coming games.one thing that we all should know that we need time to bring out the full potential from our players.zlatan didnt play good but i still think he will take time for him to understand the teams move and gel in.dacourt was great in the game but as i said history has showed us that there are teams that lose the first and second game and still come out of the group as winners.nothing to worry about.

 

[Ari]

In this new formation, Figo's role is so vital that we can not afford bad day from him. Yesterday it happened, and although Mancini realised it, it wasn't to happen yesterday. Taking winger in was good, but when Cuchu is out our midfield lacks much offensively. I underline word offensive, Dacourt was very good defensively and foughted for balls. So I'm not blaming Mancini, I'm blaming players. Some players just carry big responsibility. What I would have different, was Adriano coming out. He surely showed improvement and there were signs from two years back. he had our only scoring chance too, which could have gone in, with little bit a luck. Good shot, but center of the goal.

Still in coming matches I'm hoping flat 4-man midfield, were Figo there or not. Maicon was even weaker in the second half, which led to a goal in the second half.

 

[Choppin Onions]

I hate to admit it, but people are delusional if you think we're gonna win the CL, something we haven't done in 40 years mind you, with Mancini. The guy is an absolute hack when it comes to strategy and just plain common sense. He ever starts Maicon over Capitano again I'm gonna stab him with my long-ass toe-nails.

And I don't think it's fair to blame our forwards when our midfield consists of:

Dacourt - A one-dimensional midfield destroyer ala CZ.
Vieira - Almost same as Dacourt but a tad better offensively
Deki - Worhorse but creativity is severely lacking for most games
Figo - Seemingly tired and it's only the 2nd game of the season. :nervous:

Seriously our CM's, with the exception of Cuchu, are brutal when it comes to simple offensive skills like passing and dribbling. And now Cuchu is hurt. Fun times ahead I tell ya....

 

[bennyblanco]

one game down in champions league and already people are making it out like we are goners,that the whole 06/07 season is over

for the record i will say ,WE PLAYED SHIT,the whole side was shit,

no individual in todays match deserves credit.

does that mean that mancini is a shit coach?

but does that mean to write the whole season off already?

patience is virtue,and we must believe.being an Inter fan is about believing.

is it that bad that we lost 1-0,that we have 5 games to show our worth?

so to all the spitters and haters,fk you all.you wankers know who im on about.

you aint real Interistas,you are bandwagon material.

see you in the next game when you start wanking off after a win and praising individuals like they were your family,

 

[snake]

Brad, I actually thought Dacourt was good. He made some killer tackles. Benny, I dont know about the rest but where im coming from is not that we lost but in the manner that we lost. I hate losing when you dont even put up a fight.

 

[bennyblanco]

helal,

i know we played crap,this side can and must do better.

but to make it out like everything is over????

my life has changed dramatically in the last week,

how do you think the players and mancio feel??give them time.

 

[Hussein]

Come on guys!!

I know the result was disapointing and we surely could've done better. the entire teams knows that and that's a good thing. I think the important thing now is to pick ourselves up and carry on. we're still at the start and it's normal to get a dismal performance when you have so many faces in the team.

Clearly the team needs to gel. Yesterday I haven't seen a single interchange of passes between Zlatan and Adri and to me it the most worrying thing we got out of this game. It seems that both can't play together and we all saw the ease with which Zlatan played with Crespo in the earlier two games.

Anyway, let's put this result behind us and let us look forward. We have an important game on Saturday against Sampdoria and winning this game will take us to the top of the league ahead of our cruicial clash with Roma.

 

[Stefan]

I hate to admit it, but people are delusional if you think we're gonna win the CL, something we haven't done in 40 years mind you, with Mancini. The guy is an absolute hack when it comes to strategy and just plain common sense. He ever starts Maicon over Capitano again I'm gonna stab him with my long-ass toe-nails.

And I don't think it's fair to blame our forwards when our midfield consists of:

Dacourt - A one-dimensional midfield destroyer ala CZ.
Vieira - Almost same as Dacourt but a tad better offensively
Deki - Worhorse but creativity is severely lacking for most games
Figo - Seemingly tired and it's only the 2nd game of the season. :nervous:

Seriously our CM's, with the exception of Cuchu, are brutal when it comes to simple offensive skills like passing and dribbling. And now Cuchu is hurt. Fun times ahead I tell ya....

Brad one game doesn't decide a champions league campaign. Inter has just as much chance of anybody else. Sure this performance was pretty much a repeat of the villareal game. I believe we will see a big improvement in the coming weeks.

 

[ILuvInter]

We played awfully yesterday but this doesn't mean that we should kick mancio's butt . However ....

1-I was furious when mancio didn't take the risk like the first year when he came at inter and played with 4-3-3 situation ...i mean if we aren't gonna play with this formation when we have adriano , crespo and zlatan with recoba and Cruz on the bench plus we are one goal nil ..plus there is a large gap btw the midfield and the strikers ..when are we ???

2-Zanetti's place is unreplacable at Inter .

Besides , i don't like our midfield ...it's kinda defensive when figo isn't in his day or if he seems tired or lack creativity the way he played yesterday ...i think we should opt for the 4-3-3 solution like this especially when figo isn't playing

Deki - Viera - Cambi/Solari

Zlatan - Crespo - Adriano/Recoba

But still 2nd game of the season ...no jumping into conclusions what seems like Inter's year according to the cirumstances that nobody has expected . so let's let go and not give judgments early on .

 

[J zanetti]

Villarreal anyone? On a positive note, at least last night we managed to pick our game up a bit after Vieras’s sending off (one of many to come) right at the end. Though even that was perhaps only because Sporting started to sit back a bit and allow us into the game.

It’s really hard to criticise one player as the whole team sucked BIG time. We were never in control and although Sporting only had 1 good chance beside the long range short that resulted in their favour I guess we deserved to lose.
As for Mancini I still can’t understand 1/ why he left out Zanetti? Surely he would have done better man marking the fellow who scored as he without any problem what so ever turned Maicon inside out and upside down in one go before scoring LOL and 2/ why did he bring Zanetti in when he is going to play on the left hand side. Surely by that time and with Crespo in we need crosses coming in. On the same note I have to say that Grosso didn’t even have a decent cross and was piss poor through the night. Why not Maxwell?

Oh well… a night to be forgotten.. let’s move on and focus on the Samp game.

p.s can anyone see the Ibra / Adriano partnership work?
p.s2 surely Toldoe could have stopped the ball if only he was standing at the right place…

 

[Hussein]

p.s can anyone see the Ibra / Adriano partnership work?
p.s2 surely Toldoe could have stopped the ball if only he was standing at the right place…

I can't see that happening at the moment. I hope Mancini doesn't waste time and points trying to make this thing workout. Next Match Crespo must start.

Yes I agree Toldo could've done better. Anyway it wasn't to be last night so let's hope the team improves for the Samp test.

 

[Vic]

I am with Hamed. Toldo was too far out of his line and the late swerve did not help. If its true that Toldo has become a critic of the team he better watch it because the goal was his fault but the game performce is a genreal team problem

 

[cool_cuchu]

he he he, perhaps we should sign Mutu,... he was Adriano's best partner...