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And who's fault is that? Jose absolutely fucked it playing a b team here. They subbed in 5 starters as well and still then conceded 3 goals.
Nothing is "fault" or "fucked up", if that match is barely a friendly. Prize money is next to nothing (500k for group winner or such). What's the point of wasting your gas and losing points in Serie A later on?

In the league Roma is only 2 points behind us. That's all what matters.
 

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Nothing is "fault" or "fucked up", if that match is barely a friendly. Prize money is next to nothing (500k for group winner or such). What's the point of wasting your gas and losing points in Serie A later on?

In the league Roma is only 2 points behind us. That's all what matters.
Ah Jesus come on, you can not be serious. It's an absolute embarrassment. There's no defending Jose here.
 

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Ah Jesus come on, you can not be serious. It's an absolute embarrassment. There's no defending Jose here.
No, I am not a Jose fan lol, not defending him. I would say the same if it is us. It would be more stupid to destroy teams than send a U18 squad and get a 0-10 loss. You are wasting your precious energy and risking injury for nothing.

Just tell the players to go out there and get a warm-up and that's it.

You should know this shit of Conference League (and that Nation League) are just beneficial to UEFA to milk more money. Players & coaches don't want it. Petty money, no prestige, no fans bother to watch (did you watch it, honestly?!?)
 

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No, I am not a Jose fan lol, not defending him. I would say the same if it is us. It would be more stupid to destroy teams than send a U18 squad and get a 0-10 loss. You are wasting your precious energy and risking injury for nothing.

Just tell the players to go out there and get a warm-up and that's it.

You should know this shit of Conference League (and that Nation League) are just beneficial to UEFA to milk more money. Players & coaches don't want it. Petty money, no prestige, no fans bother to watch (did you watch it, honestly?!?)
On the other hand though, results like tonight (haha) prove that it can be an interesting competition, gives space to smaller teams to show off what they can do on a European level, I agree that it is just an excuse for UEFA to play more games and make more money, but there can be some positives to be had.
 

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No, I am not a Jose fan lol, not defending him. I would say the same if it is us. It would be more stupid to destroy teams than send a U18 squad and get a 0-10 loss. You are wasting your precious energy and risking injury for nothing.

Just tell the players to go out there and get a warm-up and that's it.

You should know this shit of Conference League (and that Nation League) are just beneficial to UEFA to milk more money. Players & coaches don't want it. Petty money, no prestige, no fans bother to watch (did you watch it, honestly?!?)
I know where you are coming from on that it's a bullshit competition but I don't care. That's disastrous no matter what and the Roma fans are certainly not happy, b team or not.
 

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Looooooollllllll people throwing a hissy fit we didn't sign mourinho instead of conte then also throwing a hissy fit when we didn't sign kumbulla who had possibly the worst defensive display I've ever seen.

Now i see why u responded to my Jose comments, this has nothing to do with Jose, his C team shouldn't have lost like that and i have no issue with him publicly letting them know. This is a public sport and the media is part of it, you cant be a Roma player and be depended on if u are out on the pitch.

Mourinho is an Inter legend and did more at Inter than most coaches ever did. Conte choked 2 years in Europe and in a EL final, if people here wanted him instead of Conte thats their right, just as its urs if u preferred Conte more.

No one is throwing a hissy fit over nothing more than u.
 

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Mou is what he is. A quick fix coach. If you already have a top squad that's just missing the mark, he can come in, change up the tactics and push them over the edge.

But he's not a guy that can build a team from scratch. He's like the anti-Conte. Conte has almost 0 tactical stoutness or flexibility, but he's proven he can build a team from scratch.
 

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Now i see why u responded to my Jose comments, this has nothing to do with Jose, his C team shouldn't have lost like that and i have no issue with him publicly letting them know. This is a public sport and the media is part of it, you cant be a Roma player and be depended on if u are out on the pitch.

Mourinho is an Inter legend and did more at Inter than most coaches ever did. Conte choked 2 years in Europe and in a EL final, if people here wanted him instead of Conte thats their right, just as its urs if u preferred Conte more.

No one is throwing a hissy fit over nothing more than u.
Where did I mention anything about what he said in his press conference? I couldn't care. I couldn't care if its his a b c d or z team. He picks the players and he's just given Roma one of their most shameful nights in Europe ever, if not the most shameful.

Mourinho is a legend yes, from 11 years ago. And yes, it is my right to laugh at the tears of not signing mourinho and not signing kumbulla, fans were ready to kill conte for that lol I listened to so much shit the last two years that whenever it blows up quite so spectaculary I can't help but laugh
 
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The players did, not him.

Also i said an Inter legend, not coaching legend.

Yah if ur happy go for it and celebrate why not.
 

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Where did I mention anything about what he said in his press conference? I couldn't care. I couldn't care if its his a b c d or z team. He picks the players and he's just given Roma one of their most shameful nights in Europe ever, if not the most shameful.

Mourinho is a legend yes, from 11 years ago. And yes, it is my right to laugh at the tears of not signing mourinho and not signing kumbulla, fans were ready to kill conte for that lol I listened to so much shit the last two years that whenever it blows up quite so spectaculary I can't help but laugh
I'm pretty sure the guys who wanted Kumbulla are the same that wanted Conte to join us, oe stick around, as he is what he was labeled "a Conte player".
 
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Where did I mention anything about what he said in his press conference? I couldn't care. I couldn't care if its his a b c d or z team. He picks the players and he's just given Roma one of their most shameful nights in Europe ever, if not the most shameful.

Mourinho is a legend yes, from 11 years ago. And yes, it is my right to laugh at the tears of not signing mourinho and not signing kumbulla, fans were ready to kill conte for that lol I listened to so much shit the last two years that whenever it blows up quite so spectaculary I can't help but laugh
I'm pretty sure the guys who wanted Kumbulla are the same that wanted Conte to join us, or stick around, as he is what he was labeled "a Conte player.


You're pretending as if Inter and Roma squads are similar, that CL games and Conference mickey mouse cup (where all that was left for Roma to qualify over 4 games was to win one) he would have the aame mentality.

Mourinho over Conte anyday. Mourinho over Simone as well.
We missed out. Commenting on what Mourinho does elsewhere has no bearing on what could have been at Inter.

This is the guy who beat Juventus at their stadium with Banter United. He won a European trophy with Banter United and a 37 year old Zlatan.
I'd be happily betting on Inter to win the Champions League if he was our coach at any moment during the last three seasons. Cannot say I've had any confidence with our current coaches. Heck, even Spalletti inspired me more with a very limited squad.

As for Bodo Glimt, I wish them the best. After torturing Milan and spanking Roma, I expect them to beat Juventus at home turf to complete the cycle.
 
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I'm pretty sure the guys who wanted Kumbulla are the same that wanted Conte to join us, or stick around, as he is what he was labeled "a Conte player.


You're pretending as if Inter and Roma squads are similar, that CL games and Conference mickey mouse cup (where all that was left for Roma to qualify over 4 games was to win one) he would have the aame mentality.

Mourinho over Conte anyday. Mourinho over Simone as well.
We missed out. Commenting on what Mourinho does elsewhere has no bearing on what could have been at Inter.

This is the guy who beat Juventus at their stadium with Banter United. He won a European trophy with Banter United and a 37 year old Zlatan.
I'd be happily betting on Inter to win the Champions League if he was our coach at any moment during the last three seasons. Cannot say I've had any confidence with our current coaches. Heck, even Spalletti inspired me more with a very limited squad.

As for Bodo Glimt, I wish them the best. After torturing Milan and spanking Roma, I expect them to beat Juventus at home turf to complete the cycle.
You'll need to go back and read the posts. People wanted conte sacked for "choosing" experience over youth with kumbulla.

I'm not pretending anything about the squads. The entire bodo glimnt or whatever they are squad is worth 14m euro. Getting beat in that fashion is a disgrace and an embarrassment not just for Roma but for the league.

You can choose him over coaches sure that's your choice but I disagree with both strongly. When he's eventually sacked from Roma after almost like 100m euro of investment this summer alone it'll just further my opinion that he's done. I still like him, inter legend, but he's done, imo
 
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If half of that 100m went to Tammy fucking Abraham I think the management is at fault as well, no? You cannot really put the budgetary blame on a coach. People keep doing that thinking that football is like a video game and there's total freedom and control from the coach.

The irony is that the last season Mourinho had much of a say in the transfer market was 2008-9 when he got Quaresma. Even Mancini was a management decision as the idea was that we'd be playing 4-3-3, with Mancini and Figo on the right and Quaresma with Obinna and Jimenez on the left. He also wanted a Deki replacement in case he was gone (between Deco and Lampard) but the management wanted to push for Schweinsteiger instead.

Conte on the other hand had this luxury at Inter, wanting to bring in Lukaku, Lazaro, Kolarov, Vidal and Young in particular. His only request that didn't come was Milinkovic-Savic, and that's mostly because he himself prioritized on Lukaku.


Mourinho? At Real Madrid, zero input in transfers. Everything was done from the upper management. He was there to coach.

At Chelsea, they signed a bunch of players but none were really his personal requests. Probably wanted to have veterans Eto'o and Drogba, but that's about it.
At Manchester United, he had absolutely no say in practice. He asked for a defensive midfielder, they got him Pogba. He asked for a ball playing center back, they didn't get anyone. He asked for Perisic, they signed Fred. Complete disarray because Woodward and his precious committee did not see eye to eye with Mourinho.

At Tottenham he didn't decide on players but at least he was on board with management on characteristics and positions. Team played well at times, shit at other times. It's Tottenham. Their players are messed up in the head, they think they are in Real Madrid.

At Roma we've said it multiple times that he needs at least 15 new players. Last night he said it himself.
He needs to fix the roster, if the management is on board.
He needs to fix the mentality, yet they're losing crucial players.
He needs to fix the results. So far they're doing okay, but it's not like anyone could have said that Roma can make top 4 before hiring Mourinho. Now it's sort of expected even if their squad is behind Inter, Juventus, Napoli, Atalanta, Milan, Lazio and on par with this season's Fiorentina.

Mourinho doesn't really ask for specific players. He just asks of players to change tbeir mentality. For clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea and Tottenham that's hard for more than a few months. For Roma, it'll show, but I've doubted his potential there. It's a good environment as long as he can get the core players on board and the management decides they want a CL team rather than just to run a club.
 
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If half of that 100m went to Tammy fucking Abraham I think the management is at fault as well, no? You cannot really put the budgetary blame on a coach. People keep doing that thinking that football is like a video game and there's total freedom and control from the coach.

The irony is that the last season Mourinho had much of a say in the transfer market was 2008-9 when he got Quaresma. Even Mancini was a management decision as the idea was that we'd be playing 4-3-3, with Mancini and Figo on the right and Quaresma with Obinna and Jimenez on the left. He also wanted a Deki replacement in case he was gone (between Deco and Lampard) but the management wanted to push for Schweinsteiger instead.

Conte on the other hand had this luxury at Inter, wanting to bring in Lukaku, Lazaro, Kolarov, Vidal and Young in particular. His only request that didn't come was Milinkovic-Savic, and that's mostly because he himself prioritized on Lukaku.


Mourinho? At Real Madrid, zero input in transfers. Everything was done from the upper management. He was there to coach.

At Chelsea, they signed a bunch of players but none were really his personal requests. Probably wanted to have veterans Eto'o and Drogba, but that's about it.
At Manchester United, he had absolutely no say in practice. He asked for a defensive midfielder, they got him Pogba. He asked for a ball playing center back, they didn't get anyone. He asked for Perisic, they signed Fred. Complete disarray because Woodward and his precious committee did not see eye to eye with Mourinho.

At Tottenham he didn't decide on players but at least he was on board with management on characteristics and positions. Team played well at times, shit at other times. It's Tottenham. Their players are messed up in the head, they think they are in Real Madrid.

At Roma we've said it multiple times that he needs at least 15 new players. Last night he said it himself.
He needs to fix the roster, if the management is on board.
He needs to fix the mentality, yet they're losing crucial players.
He needs to fix the results. So far they're doing okay, but it's not like anyone could have said that Roma can make top 4 before hiring Mourinho. Now it's sort of expected even if their squad is behind Inter, Juventus, Napoli, Atalanta, Milan, Lazio and on par with this season's Fiorentina.

Mourinho doesn't really ask for specific players. He just asks of players to change tbeir mentality. For clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea and Tottenham that's hard for more than a few months. For Roma, it'll show, but I've doubted his potential there. It's a good environment as long as he can get the core players on board and the management decides they want a CL team rather than just to run a club.
You put the budgetary blame on conte for 2 years!?! How can you change that now for mourinho?

Your united examples... Fred is a DM. They also got him matic, a specific request. Making a lot of excuses for Jose that you don't give other coaches.

Those players that he used last night got out of the europa league group and into the later rounds of the europa league, so all the blame isn't on them. Mourinho himself said he over estimated his own players. Who's fault is that? Again, they conceded 3 goals when they subbed in 5 starters.
 

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True on Matic, forgot about him. Makes the Fred transfer an even bigger debacle.

On Conte, I said specific examples of where we listened to his every choice.

Mourinho at Manchester United (last Mou comparable situation with Inter 2019) requested:
- Perisic. Alternatively, Willian or Rebic. They got him a DM that didn't speak English instead.
- Skriniar or Alderweireld. As a third alternative, he asked for Maguire. He got no center back. They got Maguire after Mourinho left (for an even more absurd amount than what he was going for earlier)
- Milinkovic-Savic. Never happened.
- Alex Sandro. Nope.

Sure, they got him Matic, so I guess this means that Mourinho at Manchester United dictated transfer policy to the extent Conte did where the only players that came without his blessing were Barella, Godin (already done deals), Sanchez and Eriksen. All of which were instrumental to Conte's success (Godin for EL run, Sanchez for contributing enormously in winning us some important games, Eriksen for the Scudetto run, Barella in general). We got him almost everyone he wanted and had replacements for players he did not want waiting or coming, such as Smalling (for Skriniar), Kolarov (for Godin), Biraghi (Perisic initially) and various others. Don't make this into a Conte vs Mourinho argument.


Roma's chances to win this mickey mouse cup aren't getting any less after this emphatic loss. If anything, assuming Roma's new ownership is serious enough, this was the perfect wake up call to listen to their elite coach.

Just fyi, at Roma his only request that arrived was Rui Patricio. He also did not want to lose Dzeko as he was planning on building the attack around him and he ended up with a management that spent a fortune on Tammy freaking Abraham. The only player he personally discounted from Roma's squad was Pedro. I'm pretty sure he'd like to grow the list with players like Smalling, Borja Mayoral, Reynolds and a few others and relegate down the bench at least a dozen others.

There's no magic trick. It's one thing to take over a team with quality that lacks discipline like Inter was and another to take over schmuck teams like Tottenham and Roma and expect results. You'd be calling Guardiola and Klopp frauds if they were coaching this Roma squad. Conte as well. Conte didn't even want to coach an Inter that was champion, that looks x3 better than Roma's squad does at the moment.. So yeah, don't make this a Conte vs Mourinho argument. One leaves with his tail up his ass, the other takes on challenges despite being contracted by Real Madrid and even fuckers Juventus where everything would be so much easier. You pick who you want between the two.
 

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The only starting eleven I would want Fred in was on FIFA21. Real life, no thank you.
 

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Roma1-0 down again, i really start to feel bad for mourinho...
 

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Have to check what league is Tottenham in LOL
I can see Emerson Royal can fly under Conte.
Interesting it's 3-4-3 with Lucas Moura playing as striker but I think in PL he will switch back to 3-5-2
 

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