Leonardo Bonucci

and bench him until they retire?
and buy new players if he is not ready, and bench him until new players retire too?

Defenders grow with experience. Why freeze him?

GrandeInter10 said:

Of course a lot of clubs make this mistake, but there is nothing wrong in lamenting the fact.

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There is nothing wrong about it. Everybody would be angry at getting rid of a future star, even me.

But at the same time I'm trying to understand that it's a hell of a difficult job, to asses players, to count in your head hundreds of factors, and then decide if we should let the player go, or not.

Wishing a player wasn't let go, and on the other hand bashing plainly the boardm there is a big difference between the two.

Lets also not forget, that although Bonucci showed some nice things, it was only 6 months, and it was Bari. There are many, many guys like Bonucci in serie A, but does it mean he will be something big? And most importantly, does he have what it needs(personality and qualities) to play at a big club like Inter?

How many people were cursing for letting Aquafresca go, and getting Arnautovic instead. Who is cursing now? Nobody, because Aquafresca didn't score lick this year. That's the type of fans we have.

How many of those people ackonledged that fact, that maybe board assesed the situation right(at this point), and get a lot of money = good buisness? I don't recall any.

My main point is always the same: people focus on part of the picture, not the whole picture, especialy when something negative happens. They just see the end product, like some Barca fans see the end product after couple of years - Fabregas was let go.

We still dont know if giving away Aquafresca was the right to do. Its been 6 months, lets atleast wait a couple of years before we can say it was a good or bad move.

That's right.

So why it is justified to do the same with Bonucci, as some people are doing ?

Inter management's track record with the youth players is heavily negative and one good assessment (Acquafresca) doesn't change that fact much. At least at the moment getting 15m€ for Acquafresca was a good solution.

I don't think it's that bad.

I mean it's not great, but I wouldn't personaly call it negative. I think that in scale 1-10 we're somewhere in the 6-7 region.

Lets look at it. Current players(Aqua, Bonucci, Megiorini and others) we can't asses now, only the future will tell us, like in next ~5 years.

If we would look at the players we had given away, 3, 4, 5 years or earlier, what youngsters that made big did we gave away?

If we would look through it I don't think we could name so many players.

Luka said:

I don't think it's that bad.

I mean it's not great, but I wouldn't personaly call it negative. I think that in scale 1-10 we're somewhere in the 6-7 region.

Lets look at it. Current players(Aqua, Bonucci, Megiorini and others) we can't asses now, only the future will tell us, like in next ~5 years.

If we would look at the players we had given away, 3, 4, 5 years or earlier, what youngsters that made big did we gave away?

If we would look through it I don't think we could name so many players.

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Luka, I think you are missing the point. Inter have done extremely well in transfers of senior players (overall) in the last 4-5 years. A lot of credit for that goes to Branca, other directors, Mancio, etc.

But we do have a poor record when it comes to blending the youth talent into the senior team. That is quite clear. We have had (arguably) the best youth teams in Italy in the last 3-4 years... and what do we have to show for it? Just Balotelli & Santon. Bonucci's success this season should not come as a surprise to anyone here who follows Inter's youth. He was always regarded as one of our most talented youth, Mancio had praised him very highly as well. Sure, Bonucci is probably not good enough to start for Inter at the mo, but if Bonucci was on loan to Bari, I wouldn't be complaining. But he was sold.

As for whether he would have been happy at Inter or useful at Inter without being a regular starter, well, Santon & Balotelli are not regular starters for Inter yet... should we have sold them too? Santon has a bigger profile than Bonucci only coz Inter gave him more chances... and he was developing learnin under the tutelage of Maicon & Zanetti. Bonucci could ve improved a lot if he had just remained at the bench of Inter learning from the likes of Samuel & Lucio. Personally, I would ve kept ownership of Bonucci, loaned him out for a season to get some playin time, and then replaced Materazzi with him next summer.

Academy trained players are important, as UEFA forces us to name at least 4 such players in our squad... so even if Bonucci is not as good as Materazzi at the mo (which I doubt, coz Bonucci has been a very impressive performer for Bari this season), he would still ve been more valuable for us.

Hopefully Mou will help us in this regard, and we will soon see more and more youth players breaking into the senior squad.... coz the current number do not justify the talent of our youth teams. I have high hopes for young Krhin as the next one to become a key player for us in the future.

Good post overaly.

But you're forgetting one thing, that almost everybody is who has an opinion like yours.

Bluenine said:

But we do have a poor record when it comes to blending the youth talent into the senior team.

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This is very true, and it is even the better word for the problem, than developing or promoting.

Why do you think we have problem with that? Blending. Why?

Do you think we like to give a lot of money for developing young players and then give the future stars away?

The problem is always the same. We are Inter, not the likes of Arsenal, Parma, Bari, Lazio etc. Those teams are not good enough, they don't have the pressure to win the titles, they can afford themselves easily with a poor season in expense of playing some younsters in the first team.

At Inter it is impossible. Look at JuBe example. Who did they have as a first team player from primavera, before Calciopoli? Del Pierro. Anyone else?

And now look who they have now. Marchisio, Chielini, Giovinco, Molinaro(for some time), and many other youth players that didn't come up big, but where playing much for JuBe in Serie B or in the first season when they came back.

This is exactly what allowed this to happen, the circumstances. In Serie B they had good enough team, that they could play youth players, because they would win anyway. This was the perfect opportunity for them. In the first season of Serie A it couldn't be the same, but they still played some of those players who were good in Serie B.

Look at it now. Giovinvo is having problem of getting into the first team, and many other players like Criscito, Paddalino, etc. etc. are gone. Why is that? The anwser is simple. Because the pressure came back, pressure for the result. And AS A RESULT of that the coach HAS to play the best team he can every game, and if that is the case, he can't allow himself to play some ambitious youth player who is promising, BUT is still not as good as some senior player.

This is very simple. If Inter was relegated the next year, I GUARANTEE you that we would see a lot of inter primavera players getting a shot at first team. But this is not the case. We are Inter, the champions of Italy, and because of that the pressure is on us.

Same is with every top team in the world. Who Milan blended before Calciopoli? Maldini, and that's it. Roma had some more success with that, but it is exactly for the same reason I stated above. They weren't title contenders before calciopoli, and last year they declined again, so now because of that, and because of lack of money you will probably see some new youngster from them kicking in(like Motta recently for example).

Who Man Utd developed since Giggs and Beckham days? Sure they have many younsters, but not many were really given a shot, besides a couple like O'Shea or Fletcher, or Brown. And this is over 4, 5 years?

The same case is with Barcelona, but they have unique situation, because
a) they have the best team in the world, and this is why it is easier for them to blend some youngsters as the odds will still be on their side to win every game
b) they have same system over and over again
c) they have one of the best youth systems in the world
d) they play very technical football, that doesn't require much muscle, and it suites young players - unlike at Inter and in Italian league where is exactly the opposite

Santon AND Mario got their chances because they are special players, and they showed it. Santon showed it that he can break into the first team, and he should eventually some day.

But it is very hard to find those kind of youth players. If it wasn't there would be a lot more Del Pierros, Nestas, Maldinis, and Tottis.

So again, we DO have poor record when it comes of blending the youth into a first team, but it is only because we are a top team, that can't risk the scudetto and chance in other competitions. This is the only reason, it's not that we want to do that way. If it was either way I assure you, that most of our players currently would come from our Primavera. But it's not.

Everything has pros and cons, and for everything there is an explanation.

cheers

Yes, I know what you mean. My problem in that kind of thinking is the lack of guts. Guts to give a chance to some youngsters to be a fucking backup's backup. The fear that they are not good enough to give the result and that's why we go and have a fucking another fringe player on the market.

Cafe let me ask you this.

Say we "get those guts" we risk, we get 4 players from Primavera next year, so we have 8 youth players as back ups next season.

The funny thing about the risk, is that it can go either positive or negative.

Say that we end up with the latter scenario, we loose the scudetto because our youth players had problems with showing their skills on the main stage, the lack of experienced was seen, and in a result of that we loose our "undefeated" psychological edge over other teams. JuBe gets stronger, and Milan gets stronger, and we are struggling to win Scudetto back over the next couple of years, BUT in a result of this policy we end up with say 2 more youth players besides Santon and Balotelli who are at this point first team players.

Now, we lost scudetto, we lost our dominant position in italian football (we're still one of the best teams, but we're not far the best team any more).

Would you be ok with a scenario like that and didn't criticise the coach, the management ?

Hard to say. At least I'd appreciate the approach. That you don't always splash the cash and get some mediocre fuckers to backup the backups but instead trust on youngsters, who might have invaluable experience in one of the biggest club in Italy. Even if they lost. Maybe they developed more than what they would have done in smaller club. Maybe they will become greater later, at Inter. Maybe Inter will become a greater club eventually with these youngsters grown into this club.

It's maybe easier to get yet another Scudetto with better backups who will never become much better than what they are. But to reach the top of the top, you need something else and my opinion is that you need long-term plan with continuity. Which comes with the youngsters grown, developed and played for the club and not somewhere else.

edit. To add some clarification, my opinion to this youngster thing is this because Inter is not that rich club or that interesting club that we can get the biggest stars in the market. That leads to Inter getting a bit lesser stars but they cost too. As Inter is not rich enough, we can't make the whole 25 player squad of these "lesser" stars. That leads to us getting fringe players and some of these "lesser" stars. This kind of squad is not world class and this is why I want Inter to use more youngsters so that we don't have to use money on fringe players and can use more money on those "lesser" stars.

Why do we ned to play Vieira or Materazzi or Mancini? Why can't we give these minutes to a youngster to blend them? It's not that these players are crucial in our game or have been providing anything special to the team.

CafeCordoba said:

Hard to say. At least I'd appreciate the approach. That you don't always splash the cash and get some mediocre fuckers to backup the backups but instead trust on youngsters, who might have invaluable experience in one of the biggest club in Italy. Even if they lost. Maybe they developed more than what they would have done in smaller club. Maybe they will become greater later, at Inter. Maybe Inter will become a greater club eventually with these youngsters grown into this club.

It's maybe easier to get yet another Scudetto with better backups who will never become much better than what they are. But to reach the top of the top, you need something else and my opinion is that you need long-term plan with continuity. Which comes with the youngsters grown, developed and played for the club and not somewhere else.

edit. To add some clarification, my opinion to this youngster thing is this because Inter is not that rich club or that interesting club that we can get the biggest stars in the market. That leads to Inter getting a bit lesser stars but they cost too. As Inter is not rich enough, we can't make the whole 25 player squad of these "lesser" stars. That leads to us getting fringe players and some of these "lesser" stars. This kind of squad is not world class and this is why I want Inter to use more youngsters so that we don't have to use money on fringe players and can use more money on those "lesser" stars.

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JuBe and Milan were at the same position we are over last 20 years. Not all the time, but for many years. While on top, how many times, they did something like that? (trust in their youth players, and risk so much)

How about this:

We stick to the position we have right now, we don't risk as much, although we still check some youngsters and let them train with the first team so the coach can asses if they can be of any use in the future like we did with Santon, Krhin, Destro, Belec etc. and when the times come when we won't be in the same position we are right now, we can risk more, because we won't have so much to loose. How about that?

I was surprised when I tried to search all the separate forums for a Leonardo Bonucci thread and the best I could find was my Leonardo Bonucci transfer rumour thread in the transfer and rumours section of this forum.

so anyway, he's come out today and said he's always been a jubentino. which was really surprising, because i thought it was established he was an interista up until this stage

what do you guys think about that??

Lol He's doing an Ibra Last season when the rumors stated about JuBe's interest he said that if Inter wishes to buy him back he would come back and now all of the sudden he's been born a Jubentino?! Just LOL

interbahar said:

Lol He's doing an Ibra Last season when the rumors stated about JuBe's interest he said that if Inter wishes to buy him back he would come back and now all of the sudden he's been born a Jubentino?! Just LOL

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exactly

He is a liar. He said the same thing the day after he signed for gobbi. While 2 months before when he was linked to inter he said he was an inter fan and would run to us. Obviously the fact that we chose ranocchia over him hurts him...

Who cares about that scum that plays for Jube-merda. Thats the end of the story.
BTW we got a better defender in Frogy anyways...

Mark said:

Who cares about that scum that plays for Jube-merda. Thats the end of the story.
BTW we got a better defender in Frogy anyways...

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You mean more expensive.

I can't understand that we gave him away for nearly nothing and bought his former partner for a huuuge wad of money.

That's because Rano >>>>>>>>> Bonucci.