Leonardo Bonucci

[Pajo]

I still think he is not better than Rano. Bit more agile, and better passer, that's it. Barzagli is by far their better CB in the past few seasons.

 

[bandiera]

Pajo, that's simply not true. Bonucci really stepped up over the past year and erased the lapses from his game. He is definitely Juve's best defender. I would even say he was the best centerback in Europe last season.

I think the bigger question to ask when we're talking about Bonucci vs Ranocchia is how Bonucci had developed if he had come here and Ranocchia, who was accepted to be the better out of the two in 2010, had gone to Juve instead.

Also, I really couldn't care less about how Bonucci has been doing. He is a true Juventino now and a big personality in their dressing room. I wouldn't consider bringing him to Inter in the same way I wouldn't consider bringing players like Chiellini or Nedved.

 

[Pajo]

He did better, but best CB in Europe? Come on. He might be considered as better than Barzagli simply because the latter has been injured too often. Chielini somehow turned to shit. He did well, probably better than Rano, but that's due to the team. Each time JuBe was pressed, which was rare, he did mistakes. We are pressed all the time.

 

[bandiera]

He did better, but best CB in Europe? Come on. He might be considered as better than Barzagli simply because the latter has been injured too often. Chielini somehow turned to shit. He did well, probably better than Rano, but that's due to the team. Each time JuBe was pressed, which was rare, he did mistakes. We are pressed all the time.

Again, that's not true. Bonucci rarely fucked up last season. Barzagli (when fit) was solid but not spectacular as always. I agree that in past seasons Barzagli was the most important defender to Juve but not this year. He was injured far too often and more importantly Bonucci really stepped it up. Chiellini was a lot worse because his physical style can't keep up with his age.

Can you name a defender that had a better year than Bonucci? I know I can't.

 

[Sassuolu]

Bonucci here would be awful, like any defender because our teams lacks balance.

 

[Pajo]

Again, that's not true. Bonucci rarely fucked up last season. Barzagli (when fit) was solid but not spectacular as always. I agree that in past seasons Barzagli was the most important defender to Juve but not this year. He was injured far too often and more importantly Bonucci really stepped it up. Chiellini was a lot worse because his physical style can't keep up with his age.

Can you name a defender that had a better year than Bonucci? I know I can't.

I will tell you only the two best for me. IMO, Otamendi has been fucking beast, has improved 200% since the last two seasons. IMO he was worlds best CB last year. In Italy, i believe De Vrij has been better than him when fit.

 

[Big Willy]

I still think he is not better than Rano. Bit more agile, and better passer, that's it. Barzagli is by far their better CB in the past few seasons.

What? You can affirm something based on that "Ranocchia would do better in Juventus" speculation. Facts today say Bonucci > Nestinha, all day long.

Bonucci here would be awful, like any defender because our teams lacks balance.

Our defenders still are crap. Because yeah, let's all blame Guarin when Ranocchia got outpaced like 280 times throughout the season.

 

[Pajo]

Not in Italian NT. If we go by that logic. Rano was better before they moved to Inter/JuBe, and Rano is better in their NT. So? Comparing only when they played together.

Sure, my thought is still hypothetical, and yeah, Bonuccis performance have been better overall, but we will never know if they played in changed team, won't we? besides, even performance wise, i dont think Bonucci is THAT better. More agile, better passer, and that's about it.

 

[Sassuolu]

What? You can affirm something based on that "Ranocchia would do better in Juventus" speculation. Facts today say Bonucci > Nestinha, all day long.




Our defenders still are crap. Because yeah, let's all blame Guarin when Ranocchia got outpaced like 280 times throughout the season.

When our team had a semblance of balance in those 7 games without defeat, our defence was solid. Ranocchia as a CB isn't bad, even Samuel sucked at RM when there was no semblance of a balanced team.

 

[Big Willy]

Not in Italian NT. If we go by that logic. Rano was better before they moved to Inter/JuBe, and Rano is better in their NT. So? Comparing only when they played together.

Sure, my thought is still hypothetical, and yeah, Bonuccis performance have been better overall, but we will never know if they played in changed team, won't we? besides, even performance wise, i dont think Bonucci is THAT better. More agile, better passer, and that's about it.

Let's say Ranocchia might be a better player, OK, but again, based on facts, which is what matters here, Bonucci performs better.

 

[Cal]

:serious:

 

[bandiera]

Bonucci here would be awful, like any defender because our teams lacks balance.

sure, and i don't imagine bonucci would be half the player he is today had he come to Inter in 2010.

its just not true to say rano is better. rano has not had a good year. though he has been our best defender, thats not exactly an accomplishment alongside the likes of juan, vidic, felipe. he has been very error prone and he has a lot of weaknesses that he hasnt worked on, such as turning velocity, agility etc.. at a point last season ranocchia made a big individual error every game.

on the other hand, while rano has not improved, over the past year bonucci has improved every weak facet of his game, and hes cut out the brain farts. what pajo said that he fucks up when he is pressed is simply not true anymore.

obviously if you put an average player into a well oiled system, theyll look a lot better. bonucci looks better in a better team but i dont know why thats being used against him. he complements chiellini well in the same way our defenders in 2010 played in a well organized team and complemented each other too.. if anything being at juve has given bonucci a platform to improve and become a better player, while ranocchia hasnt had that platform at inter. thats not the point.

if you brought bonucci to inter with the right partner, he would look better than ranocchia with the right partner.

heres what i know, juve had the best defense in the world last year and bonucci was by far their best and most important defender. i know juve's defensive strength is all over the pitch, but that doesnt take away bonucci has been a pillar for them. he was the most improved player in europe last year. pajo, i disagree entirely that de vrij or otamendi were better. both had great seasons but bonucci made the difference for juve who almost won an italian treble.

i'm a big supporter of rano, but i wont give him this.

 

[Fapuccino]

I would say Vidic has been the best defender, and Vidic has been terrible. It's then pretty clear to see where Ranocchia stands.

 

[wera]

has been terrible in some games*

not always

 

[Wallace]

More agile, better passer, and that's about it.

Words of wisdom, made it sound like it's nothing.

Icardi has better finishing than Puscas, but that's about it.

 

[interista4]

I still can't believe just how we were unable to see anything, anything at all in him.. Like at the time we had so many fuck ups in Rivas, Materazzi (pre-World Cup; post major injury) and even my beloved Burdisso, and we only managed to give him one game.. Mancini clearly knows fuck all about talent..

When was the last time we were actually able to see anything in one of our youth players? It's not Mancini, it's the club. The system. The fact that we actually produce more players to our rivals rather than to ourselves shows how badly the club is managed.

 

[Nyall]

My point made was not that Bonucci is world class or anything but the fact that he has shown to be a more than competent sidekick, if you will to a team with high aspirations. Our world class or GTFO strategy for youth is ridiculous and has gotten us nowhere, yet we still continue to do it and the fans continue to support it, because it is the "summer of Yaya"..

 

[.h.]

tbf, selling bonucci landed us a treble.. cant complain

 

[Sassuolu]

Yeah I don't lose sleep over Bonucci, I lose sleep over not strengthening the CL winning side.

 

[Kakaroto]

I still think he is not better than Rano. Bit more agile, and better passer, that's it. Barzagli is by far their better CB in the past few seasons.

Leave Pajo alone dyna.