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who the fuck thought that a world cup in a arab country was a good idea?

Why not? are they not humans? It's called the fucking world cup, and it belongs to all the people of the world, not just south americans and europeans.
 

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Why not? are they not humans? It's called the fucking world cup, and it belongs to all the people of the world, not just south americans and europeans.

exactly. I mean it being in Saudi Arabia would have been better or a country with a remotely decent NT but what ever. Just think it's funny if Europeans bitches about how hot Brazil was they are really going to have that WC

More annoyed the Anericans bitching it wasn't given to them. It's like you hosted it 5 WCs ago and there are 120 more NTs out there.
 

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FIFA aren't idiots, they knew Qatar would have child labour, they knew Qatar would be a worst case scenario destination for the fitness of the athletes, they even knew that Qatar is a totally pathetic tourist destination (especially for women), but they do not care because they are in it for money.

IMO the WC shouldn't be hosted by any country that doesn't already have the infrastructure, or a little ways away. But FIFA empowering/allowing Qatar to pretty much bring workers into slavery so they can host a football tournament is absurd.

To re-post a video from Monster a few pages back:


Any country in the world that would participates in these practices does not deserve to host a WC.

I think it's clear the route the world is headed down. As more and more economists come out and support the notion that hosting the Olympics and WC are detrimental to a nation's economic health, you'll see more instances like that of Norway where local voters elect not to pursue bids. The only countries left to bid on them will be ones with a sufficient amount of stadiums (US, UK, Germany), communist countries (Russia, China), and ones run by money (middle east)
 

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I'm gonna make a wild wild guess, a one that I got right now and based on no prior knowledge, but you've never been to Qatar have you? I will guess you haven't. And I can't blame you really. Unfortunately I have. And while it was only for three days, I have seen more of Qatar than most of you. And you say it's a shit destination for tourists and specially for women, but when I was there I saw more tourists then qatari people. Also how is it different exactly to female tourists? The weather was a bit hot and female tourists like males were wearing very slim cloths some were even wearing tight shorts and bikini bras. No one seemed to give a shit about what they're wearing and if that is not what you meant by specially to women then please explain further.

I met three British girls who have been living there for a year and were working as models, and all three of them were wearing clothes that any country that actually cares about how women dress will not allow. After that they took me for a couple drinks and when I asked about how alcohol is handled there, they said that the only rule was not to wear traditional qatari clothes in a bar.

What bothers me is the amount of propaganda and hypocrisy this world cup is generating.

Between Qatar, USA and Australia there's no footballing history what so ever, and you have to be biased to see otherwise.

But if morals is what bothers you, then please explain to me how Qatar as a state has less morals than the USA?

It's really annoying for me to sound like I side with Qatar, when I hate Qatar more than most of you, they're funding militia groups in my country with weapons and money and they're directly connected to the hardships I suffer, on a daily basis.

But this world really consists racists and extreme nationalists. It's just that those who live in civilized countries are better at masking it.
 

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I met three British girls who have been living there for a year and were working as models, and all three of them were wearing clothes that any country that actually cares about how women dress will not allow. After that they took me for a couple drinks and when I asked about how alcohol is handled there, they said that the only rule was not to wear traditional qatari clothes in a bar.

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I'm gonna make a wild wild guess, a one that I got right now and based on no prior knowledge, but you've never been to Qatar have you? I will guess you haven't. And I can't blame you really. Unfortunately I have. And while it was only for three days, I have seen more of Qatar than most of you. And you say it's a shit destination for tourists and specially for women, but when I was there I saw more tourists then qatari people. Also how is it different exactly to female tourists? The weather was a bit hot and female tourists like males were wearing very slim cloths some were even wearing tight shorts and bikini bras. No one seemed to give a shit about what they're wearing and if that is not what you meant by specially to women then please explain further.

I met three British girls who have been living there for a year and were working as models, and all three of them were wearing clothes that any country that actually cares about how women dress will not allow. After that they took me for a couple drinks and when I asked about how alcohol is handled there, they said that the only rule was not to wear traditional qatari clothes in a bar.

What bothers me is the amount of propaganda and hypocrisy this world cup is generating.

Between Qatar, USA and Australia there's no footballing history what so ever, and you have to be biased to see otherwise.

But if morals is what bothers you, then please explain to me how Qatar as a state has less morals than the USA?

It's really annoying for me to sound like I side with Qatar, when I hate Qatar more than most of you, they're funding militia groups in my country with weapons and money and they're directly connected to the hardships I suffer, on a daily basis.

But this world really consists racists and extreme nationalists. It's just that those who live in civilized countries are better at masking it.

I think what rubs people the wrong way is the......well might as well call it what it is, slave labor. And the corruption of bribing FIFA officials to win the WC bid is also pretty concerning. Yes, these are only allegations, but you'd have to be blissful to not think something shady went down.

Honestly if Qatar won the bid on it's own, I think it would've been an extremely fun location for a WC to be.
 

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But this world really consists racists and extreme nationalists. It's just that those who live in civilized countries are better at masking it.

We're all racists. It's just some people dare to express more.
 

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exactly. I mean it being in Saudi Arabia would have been better or a country with a remotely decent NT but what ever. Just think it's funny if Europeans bitches about how hot Brazil was they are really going to have that WC

More annoyed the Anericans bitching it wasn't given to them. It's like you hosted it 5 WCs ago and there are 120 more NTs out there.

I dont think it would be a good idea. Unfortunately today Saudi Arabia NT is way worse than Qatar NT. We might be a bigger country but definitely not ready at all to receive tourists. I mean females (still?) arent allowed to have their freedom and alcohol is forbidden, fans will end up commiting suicide in the middle of the of the tournament lol.

On the other hand Qatar, and the rest of the Arabic countries are like any other country. What bothers be about Qatar is the small area. I really have no idea how can they fit milions of people and all the stadiums and hotels. It will super crowded at the very least.

If any Arabic/gulf country to host a WC, it should be the UAE. They have a better NT too and in term of tourism it's brilliant.
 

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I don't like Qatar and I didn't want them to win the WC bid but this human right thing is getting hyped so much just because people are not happy with Qatar winning the WC bid.

What is happening with these workers in Qatar is truly sad but it's not like Qatar is the only country which violates human rights. I recently lived in a European country where I saw similar behaviors towards african immigrants. They had their own community which they were not allowed to leave. I've never been there but I remember once an immigrant girl showed up at the hospital because a cockroach was in her ear and when I asked her how the hell a cockroach got into her ear she said "where I sleep is really dirty". That should tell a lot about the hygiene of those communities.

Wasn't USA one of the bidders for 2022? If they had won, would anybody talk about human rights in USA too? Guantanamo or many more other fucked up shit that they carry out? Probably not, because a lot of people wanted USA to win the WC bid.

Those workers don't have good working conditions in Qatar, I agree but why everyday more and more of them travel to Qatar? Why don't their embassies do something? Why don't their countries speak up?

I tell you why! because if they were in their own countries they would have even worse living conditions. I lived briefly in India and I've seen the living conditions there. A LOT of homeless people sleeping on the side of the road. You see a lot of families which just take up a side of the road and that's their home. You see them sleep there, cook, shower and even relieve themselves there. You won't believe it till you see it! It really makes you appreciate what you have.

The countries or embassies don't say anything because they know those people need the money and living on the streets they already have a very short life expectancy so they might as well go to Qatar and make a few bucks for their families.

The film that was posted earlier in this thread only talked about how many of these workers die in Qatar every year but don't say anything about how many of those people die in their own countries every year.

It is truly sad and pathetic but what can you do?? If they don't accept those jobs someone else will.

That immigrant girl and cockroach story that I said is sad too but let me tell you another story.. I was really pissed about how they treated immigrants until one day we received a group of immigrants at the hospital whom were just arrived by boat. They hadn't eaten in days and they looked really sick. I remember seeing a young guy with a broken foot with wooden sticks or something as a cast. Obviously it hadn't supported his foot well which resulted in his bones being fused the wrong way and the guy had ended up with a deformed leg. Anyways, so we were giving them food and water and also examining them. I was examining this young girl and I saw a weird mark on her stomach and when I asked her what it was she said it was a gunshot wound. So it made me think, maybe those communities with poor hygiene and cockroaches every where not the ideal place for living, but at least they are better than being shot at.

Again, I'm not saying what is happening in Qatar is right, definitely not, but let's not act as if like they are the only ones out there.
 

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I think what rubs people the wrong way is the......well might as well call it what it is, slave labor. And the corruption of bribing FIFA officials to win the WC bid is also pretty concerning. Yes, these are only allegations, but you'd have to be blissful to not think something shady went down.

Honestly if Qatar won the bid on it's own, I think it would've been an extremely fun location for a WC to be.

I really wish that was true, But I don't believe that's the case, People hated the idea of Qatar before these allegations even came out, saying things like "this is bound to fail", and "seriously Qatar?", Just hating it, and then waiting for the media to supply them with the reasons of why they're hating it, so then they can assure everyone and themselves, that their hate was really the product of the wrong doings of Qatar, and that if Qatar didn't do these things they wouldn't mind.

The right thing to do when an allegation is made, is to wait for proper evidence to come out, otherwise it's more likely to be false than true. Also if those were really the reasons, why you don't want Qatar to host it, Base your argument on them only, and don't fill it with other lies that the media has fed you, that a short research would prove wrong. But the media doesn't mind to give you one true thing, and nine other lies, because they're only targeting the people who already hate the idea, and don't need to check because they won't second guess anything wrong said about it.

As for the whole bribes thing.. I'm not sure if I was dreaming or everyone just "forgot" But didn't Australia also try to use bribes? and there's more evidence in this case than Qatar's case?
 

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All of this is disappointing to hear, but given the world we live in it's hardly surprisingly. I'd be surprised if FIFA weren't corrupt. Big oil, big pharma, Big agra (Monsanto in particular), big issuance are all corrupt, evil, borderline terrifying giant entities.

I know it sounds defeatist and pathetic, but this isn't that bad when you compare it with what else is going on in the world.

Seriously people. Go look into Monsanto, or big pharma stuff, or global warming. The world is dark and full of terrors.
 

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Here's the other side of the story.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...d-private-property-qatar-150518130012891.html

"Perhaps anticipating that the government would not provide this sort of access, the BBC crew decided to do their own site visits and interviews in the days leading up to the planned tour. In doing so, they trespassed on private property, which is against the law in Qatar just as it is in most countries."

Now I'm not a fan of Aljazeera, In fact I hate it, it's a propaganda network filled with lies, and mass controlling schemes (Just like every other huge media network in the world, Including BBC).

But journalists trespassing is a very believable story, and a one that makes a lot of sense too.
 

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Yea but how many countries arrest the news team especially that have been invited. Sounds like North Korea to me.

They should just be asked to leave the country and call it a day. Everyone knows what is happening there and dont care
 

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Here's the other side of the story.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...d-private-property-qatar-150518130012891.html

"Perhaps anticipating that the government would not provide this sort of access, the BBC crew decided to do their own site visits and interviews in the days leading up to the planned tour. In doing so, they trespassed on private property, which is against the law in Qatar just as it is in most countries."

Now I'm not a fan of Aljazeera, In fact I hate it, it's a propaganda network filled with lies, and mass controlling schemes (Just like every other huge media network in the world, Including BBC).

But journalists trespassing is a very believable story, and a one that makes a lot of sense too.

What Al-jazeera said there based on the claim of Qatar govt. BBC countered it with another statement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32775563

Qatari government statement, 18 May:
"The Government Communications Office invited a dozen reporters to see - first-hand - some sub-standard labour accommodation as well as some of the newer labour villages. We gave the reporters free rein to interview whomever they chose and to roam unaccompanied in the labour villages.
"Perhaps anticipating that the government would not provide this sort of access, the BBC crew decided to do their own site visits and interviews in the days leading up to the planned tour. In doing so, they trespassed on private property, which is against the law in Qatar just as it is in most countries. Security forces were called and the BBC crew was detained."

BBC response:
"We are pleased that the BBC team has been released but we deplore the fact that they were detained in the first place. Their presence in Qatar was no secret and they were engaged in a perfectly proper piece of journalism.
"The Qatari authorities have made a series of conflicting allegations to justify the detention, all of which the team rejects. We are pressing the Qatari authorities for a full explanation and for the return of the confiscated equipment."
 

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What Al-jazeera said there based on the claim of Qatar govt. BBC countered it with another statement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32775563

Yes it is, and I didn't bother mentioning that because I figured that who's interested would open the link and read it. But maybe I should've not let it sound like Aljazeera is the one that said that, but rather was quoting the Qatari government.

Now as for what the BBC said:
"The Qatari authorities have made a series of conflicting allegations to justify the detention, all of which the team rejects. We are pressing the Qatari authorities for a full explanation and for the return of the confiscated equipment."

I've only heard one statement from the Qatari government so I'm not sure what conflicting statements they're talking about, To be honest I question their team as much as I question the Qatari government. Again journalists have a habit of trespassing and breaking local laws, as much as countries like Qatar have a habit of constantly trying to bury the truth.
 

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Posted on the soccer subreddit today, caught a lot of traction. I'm sure you'll see this come up on a few news sites in the next few days.
 

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I don't like Qatar and I didn't want them to win the WC bid but this human right thing is getting hyped so much just because people are not happy with Qatar winning the WC bid.

What is happening with these workers in Qatar is truly sad but it's not like Qatar is the only country which violates human rights. I recently lived in a European country where I saw similar behaviors towards african immigrants. They had their own community which they were not allowed to leave. I've never been there but I remember once an immigrant girl showed up at the hospital because a cockroach was in her ear and when I asked her how the hell a cockroach got into her ear she said "where I sleep is really dirty". That should tell a lot about the hygiene of those communities.

Wasn't USA one of the bidders for 2022? If they had won, would anybody talk about human rights in USA too? Guantanamo or many more other fucked up shit that they carry out? Probably not, because a lot of people wanted USA to win the WC bid.

Those workers don't have good working conditions in Qatar, I agree but why everyday more and more of them travel to Qatar? Why don't their embassies do something? Why don't their countries speak up?

I tell you why! because if they were in their own countries they would have even worse living conditions. I lived briefly in India and I've seen the living conditions there. A LOT of homeless people sleeping on the side of the road. You see a lot of families which just take up a side of the road and that's their home. You see them sleep there, cook, shower and even relieve themselves there. You won't believe it till you see it! It really makes you appreciate what you have.

The countries or embassies don't say anything because they know those people need the money and living on the streets they already have a very short life expectancy so they might as well go to Qatar and make a few bucks for their families.

The film that was posted earlier in this thread only talked about how many of these workers die in Qatar every year but don't say anything about how many of those people die in their own countries every year.

It is truly sad and pathetic but what can you do?? If they don't accept those jobs someone else will.

That immigrant girl and cockroach story that I said is sad too but let me tell you another story.. I was really pissed about how they treated immigrants until one day we received a group of immigrants at the hospital whom were just arrived by boat. They hadn't eaten in days and they looked really sick. I remember seeing a young guy with a broken foot with wooden sticks or something as a cast. Obviously it hadn't supported his foot well which resulted in his bones being fused the wrong way and the guy had ended up with a deformed leg. Anyways, so we were giving them food and water and also examining them. I was examining this young girl and I saw a weird mark on her stomach and when I asked her what it was she said it was a gunshot wound. So it made me think, maybe those communities with poor hygiene and cockroaches every where not the ideal place for living, but at least they are better than being shot at.

Again, I'm not saying what is happening in Qatar is right, definitely not, but let's not act as if like they are the only ones out there.

Just a question mate, how did you get that cockroach out of the girl's ear? :yao2:
 
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