Alexis Sanchez

[Choppin Onions]

cavani's success @ NAPOLI doesn't make it a mistake for INTER....he's at NAPOLI, not INTER..
he went from performing well at one mediocre club to performing well at another mediocre club.
i hope i don't have to explain the differences in goals/objectives, competition for places, and general pressure that exists between us and other mid-table clubs

if he went to a barca or milan and was performing like this, then it would be a mistake

Times are changing in Italy and it's no longer the 'big 4' of Inter, Milan, Juve and Roma dominating. Napoli, Lazio and Palermo aren't mediocre clubs like they were the past couple years. They're just as ambitious as the other big clubs. The pressure to perform at these clubs is high. Maybe not Inter-like but there's pressure regardless. Hind-sight is 50/50 but seeing how Cavani is performing, not going harder after him was a mistake. He's probably the best forward in Serie A right now.... and he's only 23. Meanwhile, we have a trio of forwards who are playing average or worse football.

I do think Sanchez's price-tag is a bit too much but I don't write him off completely like so many people here do. Every player, except the absolute super-stars is hit or miss in football. Cambiasso was rubbish at Real Madrid and he came to Inter and became one of the best DM's in Europe. Same with Il Muro. Ibra was one of the best forwards in the world and then went to Barca and was a disaster. People need to stop thinking they have a crystal ball in front of them and can look into the future, in regards to how shite or how great a player is gonna be. How a player turns out is pretty random. Especially young players like Sanchez.

 

[giorgg]

Ok, Ive been readind the thread and it seems people dont know much about Sanchez and just look at his goal and assist stats. Ive seen him play since he first made it to my national squad in 2006, he played in Colo Colo and with him the team got to the final of the Copa Sudaméricana, then he got to River Plate in Argentina and won the league, after that he went to Udinese still being very young.

As for the national team, he has been very important, we didnt use him in Copa America in 2007 since we used him in U20 World cup in the same year where he had a great tournament the times he could play(he got injured in a match we beat Portugal if I remember correctly) and we endeded up being 3rd. After that he was used in the SA Qualifiers and he played an important part in us being second after Brazil, he usually scores more in our national team than in Udinese since he doesnt play so back in the field.

As for the 25 million Udinese are asking, I think its a bit high, but some people have been saying he sucks, and reality is far from that. He does lack in goal scoring, but his dribbling is one of the best, he has great stamina, he doesnt give up(he has balls unlike Ronaldo), he will make your team get lots of stopped ball chances since defenders usually make fouls to him, breaking defenses with his speed and dribbling he can make opossite defenders get yellow or red cards or make penalties against him, and he does create a lot of chances but he seems to play at a faster pace than his teammates in Udinese but in a better quality team like Inter these chances wont be wasted by the other great players Inter has. He also gets can retrive lots of balls from behind, helping in defense and making quick counter attacks. So just judging from goal and assist stats wont give you his true potential, besides he is young, and a team like Inter would help him grow.

He also performs well in important matches, the only ones in which he was subpar were the ones in the World Cup, he didnt overperform in these matches, he played well better in the previous matches in the qualifiers, so if you thought the WC level he showed was good, thats in the low end of his capacity. He had great days in matches like Boca vs River, against teams like Brazil, Uruguay, Peru and others in the qualifiers he also did great, and in serie A he has performed very well against Inter, Roma, Milan and such.

If you want to see some videos there are ones that are informative since they dont only show his goals and assists, you can see what he did everytime he touched the ball, like these ones:

- VS Peru, 2009(he ate JM Vargas in this one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNl2BOuC5js
- VS Juve 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf3xn8eUivw
- Vs Brazil 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRpPaf3lso
- VS Inter, 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQTmaOLZCg
etc...
And a compilation of some of the best up until 2009, you can see when he was in Argentina ans such: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Fnwex4m_o

Oh, and to the guy from Denmark saying he sucked and he was garbage, maybe you didnt watch when he played against Denmark and also scored:

Have a nice day

 

[n4l]

times are changing in italy?



there is a difference between "ambitions" and "expectations"...
that difference is what causes REAL pressure

i'm not going to go into a long debate about this, but let's say lazio, palermo or napoli finish 3rd or 4th, their season is a SUCCESS
i can guarantee you, even with rafa's 50 injuries, 3rd or 4th ain't no SUCCESS for Inter...

 

[n4l]

youtube time again

 

[CafeCordoba]

Let's sum what has Sanchez done.

1. Moved to Udinese to get Serie A exp (2,5 years exp now)
2. Has played okay there and showed potential
3. His stats are if not bad, mediocre at most
5. Is a starter for his club still despite the stats
4. Has played for his country, so international exp too
(Does someone make up more cases?)

So which of these cases eases his move to a bigger club?

- Case 1 is almost mandatory, because he wasn't a super star in Argentina League where he came from.
- Case 2 is one of the reasons which could justify the move.
- Case 3 speaks against the move
- Case 4 tells he plays for a club which needs his talent despite he's not producing that well (as being an offensive player), so-so situation.
- Case 5 is a nice plus, but doesn't mean much as it's just Chile NT


Okay, we can admit that scouts have seen more of him than us and they can analyze the talent better. But we here are football followers, we understand pretty much about football still. We understand that if there is a player with those facts (cases above), he's not a star player yet. Not even close. But he has some experience in the league he plays in. He's earned a starting spot despite not producing that much.

But what should be the price for this kind of player? Or more importantly, what is a reasonable price you should pay to get this player?

Well, this player doesn't sound like a first team player for a big club, that's for sure. More likely he sounds like a player who could move to a big club to be a rotation player and from there he could earn his starting spot by development. So, would you pay first-team-player money to get this player?

Because 20m€ is a first-team player money for a club like Inter. If we get a player for 20m€, he comes to be a starter. That's how it is. And to me Sanchez is a way too risky first-team acquisition. Why risky? Because just like Azzkikr has said, if we use 20m€ for an offensive starter in January, we won't use another 20m€ next summer on an offensive starter. It's not gonna happen.

And that makes it a risky business, because we have absolutely no idea can Sanchez fulfill our demands for him (to play as a starter). And don't compare him to Pandev. He can be better than Pandev, but is he going to be +20m€ better? With 20m€ we should buy only a certain starters who definitely will improve our game, drastically. Yeah, it isn't easy to play in the transfer market these days but Sanchez is such a long shot with 20m€. It's exactly like Quaresma.

Ps. Comparing Cavani is stupid. First, Cavani is on loan at Napoli and they agreed 15m€ price. Pretty low-risk for Napoli, unlike this 20m+ € straight transfer to Inter speculation. Second, it's Napoli where Cavani came to be the top-dog in the yard. And exactly that he has done. At Inter he could have been in problems because we would have had Eto'o and Milito in front of him in the pecking order. Also pressure at Inter is still a bit different than at Napoli. Inter is the real big stage, Napoli ain't that yet. You all know we can't make such a straight comparisons. Third, Cavani's stats are way better than Sanchez's at Serie A (even before this season). Okay I can give you that Cavani is more like a striker whereas Sanchez is just a flashy winger but still the goal/games ratio is over 2x better for Cavani (only Palermo time). So even if Cavani became this good and we who didn't want him to Inter where this wrong, it doesn't imply we will be even more wrong about Sanchez who has mediocre stats at most, and he will become even more better than his older self than how it went with Cavani (if you can follow the logic, sorry for difficult and long sentence).

 

[Mino]

any conditions you want...

instead of money talk ( spaces between us )
i suggest this
your bet is 10 mil (MAX)
and i say 20 mil (MIN)
that's our bet
the looser must change his profile PIC to this one :

for 6 months maby ??

 

[Iron_Inter]

How has he proven he isnt a Quaresma when he hasnt played for us :drunk:?

By that I ment that he has proven he can play good in Seria A, less risk to become Quaresma than Brazilian or any players who never played in Seria A.

You are wrong about pretty much everything you write and the facts and logic are against you, but id just be repeating myself if i start explaining.

We are done here, i feel like im talking to ralph wiggum.

Each to his own opinion, good night.

And your logic and facts are correct.
You would be repeating yourself cause you don't know arguments to back up what you to say.

I agree that we should stop this argument, everyone to his own opinion,I should have done that lot earlier when u said Bia is better than Sanchez .

 

[il Biscione 84]

I understand the risk of spending the "rumored" 20 ml on Sanchez, but how is that relevant with us being wrong in missing out Cavani. So, what you guys are suggesting here is to buy a proven world class player that plays for a top level team with same high expectations as us? Or is this only related to the price aspect? Cuz I think Cavani was available at cheaper price than Sanchez in the summer.

 

[Azzkikr]

bla bla

Thats rich Ralph, i already backed it up in my last 2 posts, its not my fault you are too dense to understand them.

And i said Biabiany was better than Sanchez last season, which is completely true. Parma fans got quite fond of Bia actually. Statisticly Bia was better too. Why do you think we paid almost 5m€ to buy parma's half of him? Sanchez is just a better dribbler and alot more selfish version of Biabiany.

Anyways, ignore listed, i have better things to do than argue with a fanboy. First Pandev and now Sanchez..... God have mercy....

 

[DIN011]

I agree with giorgg. Sanchez doesn't really assist nor score goals, but he plays a huge part in creating the chances. Like the 4-3 goal Denis scored against Milan, without Sanchesz dribbling past whoever the fuck that Milan player was(too lazy to look it up), and making a nice pass to Isla(I think) the goal never would have happened. He does those things frequently, but those things never show up when you look at his stats and shit, but those things are huge. That's why saying "he's shit" just because his stats suck isn't really fair, imo.

This is something I feel we're missing atm. Someone who can open up our play, and give players like Sneijder more room so he can successfully create a scoring opportunity. Like the Catania game, Eto'o was the only player we had who could create something by himself, and when they marked him out of the game you could see how clueless we were. With Sanchez we'd have a player who can, like I said before, open up our play by dribbling past 1, or 2 players and give players like Eto'o & Sneijder more room to do what they do. We don't have anyone who can do that atm, except maybe Coutinho, but he's still young and inconsistent, and we don't really know when he'll get back from injury. Biabiany doesn't do anything but run(without the ball) and Milito fell off the fuck off. Do you guys get what I'm trying to say?

Obviously, we shouldn't waste 25M on him, he's not worth that much. No way. But if Branca can work out something like 15-18M for him I don't see any reason to complain. We have ourselves to blame for not buying anyone in the summer.

 

[Azzkikr]

Oh, and to the guy from Denmark saying he sucked and he was garbage, maybe you didnt watch when he played against Denmark and also scored

good one youtube king, but alot worse players players have scored against Denmark, so thats hardly an accomplishment, its nice you are proud though.

No one is saying he sucks (well we are, but we dont mean in that way), he is just hardly worth his value and isnt really top team material. He is too big a gamble to justify throwing 20-25m his way, thats what people are complaining about. Fact is (like you said yourself) that his main strengh is his dribbling, other than that his passing and shooting is horrendous and his low goal/assist count (which havent improved) reflects this.

He is also too selfish in his playing style, a team like Inter cant afford him wasting 80% of our forward runs because he cant pass to save his life.

 

[il Biscione 84]

Obviously, we shouldn't waste 25M on him, he's not worth that much. No way. But if Branca can work out something like 15-18M for him I don't see any reason to complain. We have ourselves to blame for not buying anyone in the summer.

I do agree that he might be useful but don't think the 15-18 ml is the right deal for us and then what if ...

- Leo kept using the 4-3-1-2, how is he gonna fit in this formation? He might switch to the 4-2-3-1 but talking about the possibility of sticking with the 1st in most games.
-Spend much on him persuade our management to spend less on other players in positions that we need to invest in such as LB, CM and Striker (Buying a WF is a priority as well but depends on formation preference again)?

Those two points concerns me when thinking of spending that much on a single player.

 

[snake]

Let's stop for a minute. If Inter were actually willing to pay about 20 million, then the deal would be done. Clearly, they don't think he is worth that much either.

So hypothetical, let's say it was done tomorrow for 10-12 million. Now what do you guys think?

 

[DIN011]

- Leo kept using the 4-3-1-2, how is he gonna fit in this formation? He might switch to the 4-2-3-1 but talking about the possibility of sticking with the 1st in most games.

He would fit in that formation, kinda like how Mancini used Balo in that formation. Balo had a free roll while Eto'o plays as the main CF. And hopefully Leo doesn't use the 4-3-1-2 in CL.

-Spend much on him persuade our management to spend less on other players in positions that we need to invest in such as LB, CM and Striker (Buying a WF is a priority as well but depends on formation preference again)?

Considering we didn't do anything last summer I think it's a given that we're going to buy players this summer. We can't continue with the same team forever, our management knows this. They're not stupid. Just look at how much money we made last season with the Mercato, the quintuple & TV revenues and shit like that. I think the main reason Moratti wasn't buying anyone last summer was because he was saving up money to next seasons mercato, because it's the last one before the FFP rule kicks in.

 

[Iron_Inter]

Thats rich Ralph, i already backed it up in my last 2 posts, its not my fault you are too dense to understand them.

And i said Biabiany was better than Sanchez last season, which is completely true. Parma fans got quite fond of Bia actually. Statisticly Bia was better too. Why do you think we paid almost 5m€ to buy parma's half of him? Sanchez is just a better dribbler and alot more selfish version of Biabiany.

Anyways, ignore listed, i have better things to do than argue with a fanboy. First Pandev and now Sanchez..... God have mercy....

What are you talking about??When did i ever had an argument about Pandev with you or any other member ??? I am a fanboy I gess you mean of Pandev, you are insane, you should read my coments in Pandev threat and then coment, the only argument i have is only with my countrie man who overpraised him or with those who never give him credit when he deserve for it.I never overpraised him in somthing he is not.

For Bia over Sanchez Last year yes i read your posts and there isn;t any fact that confirm this just your own opinion. Udinese fans are just as fond for Sanchez, the sum that you said 5 mil , doesn't go with you argument. If he was that good they wouldn't give as for that price. And it have sown Bia contribution to Inter witch is big 0.

Giorgg nice post and video. That explains why Azzkikr doesn't like Sanchez.

 

[blekdood]

this guy isnt worth it.. his passing are horrible.. and a ball hog too

 

[giorgg]

"good one youtube king, but alot worse players players have scored against Denmark, so thats hardly an accomplishment, its nice you are proud though."
He didnt only score, he also raped your whole defense.
Besides, I dont know why people complain about the money, its not like it was yours to spend or something.

@CafeCordoba, he did great in argentina, he was part of the last good river team, with Abreu, Falcao, etc... people there loved him for the short period of time he was there, they sang to him and that stuff. And in Colo Colo he got to the final of the Copa Sudamericana in 2006.

And the Chile NT may not be a group of superstar but he has been a fundamental player playing against strong teams from south america, and we as we are now are a good NT. You Should see some interviews to Zamorano, saying Alexis will probably surpass him and how great of a player he is.

So, here we have that your scouts want him and the club is willing to buy him, added that ex players like Zamorano talk good about him and saying how much more he has achieved compared to him when he was that age and all of those stuff and I wonder which one should know more, those guys or forum goers like you.

 

[blackmore]

Let's stop for a minute. If Inter were actually willing to pay about 20 million, then the deal would be done. Clearly, they don't think he is worth that much either.

So hypothetical, let's say it was done tomorrow for 10-12 million. Now what do you guys think?

that is a more realistic price. 10-12 would be decent but no way are they going to go for it, n9t with the kind of interest thats been shown.

but one point to note. the inclusion of obi is what has me baffled personally. this guy has shown imense talent over the years and is clearly going to be one of the stars in the league in the next few years(imo). give them biabia instead!

 

[snake]

but one point to note. the inclusion of obi is what has me baffled personally. this guy has shown imense talent over the years and is clearly going to be one of the stars in the league in the next few years(imo). give them biabia instead!

Naw I like the inclusion of Obi.

He has potential. Give them half. Give them the incentive to develop him as it will mean two things for them, a good mifielder and some money at the end of it.

Plus...Do I have to list the amount of dark skinned midfield beasts Udinese have developed?


Ps. if you're going to mention Muntari, remember he was pretty good with them.

 

[blackmore]

Naw I like the inclusion of Obi.

He has potential. Give them half. Give them the incentive to develop him as it will mean two things for them, a good mifielder and some money at the end of it.

Plus...Do I have to list the amount of dark skinned midfield beasts Udinese have developed?


Ps. if you're going to mention Muntari, remember he was pretty good with them.

its not half..but outright!! that is my qualm. if it were for part deal, i would be ecstatic, as like u said, udi have a great rep for building good MF.

whats the use of concentrating on FFP when we are not only depleting our already little resources, but giving away our best future assets.