Andrea Ranocchia

[Bzzlightyear]

I say give him more time, of course he made a lot idiotic mistakes this season, but he is still young and has shown a lot of potential, the defense is not an easy position to play in, as many people said, let him play more often, let him make mistakes, he will surely improve.. It worked with me

Have you played professional football ?

 

[Batman]

Have you played professional football ?

Not professional football.. With the school and neighborhood, of course it's different but I believe in that logic.

 

[Bzzlightyear]

Not professional football.. With the school and neighborhood, of course it's different but I believe in that logic.

Nice one

 

[Universe]

That is not an argument - that is your opinion. While Santon did impress against Roma in 08/09, his later performances at both Cesena and Newcastle have shown that those games in the beginning were exceptions to the rule that is: Santon is not good enough to play at Inter. (This is, of course, also an opinion)


Lucio has been doing far worse this season than Ranocchia ever has. Who'd you prefer to play - an old player who is only going to become worse, or a young player who is likely to improve from his mistakes? He is 24 years old. He is born in '88. He is Italian, but that only seems to matter to you? Funny how his critics are insisting on mentioning his origins as a motif for his defenders.
Ranocchia has potential, and as Pajo beautifully put it, a defender needs consistency and experience - these two attributes are acquired through playing-time. He has been unlucky with his injuries lately, but I remain convinced that Ranocchia will prove all of his critics wrong, if only he gets sufficient minutes on the field.



Now what is this? Has he really shown NOTHING? Has he shown so little that it requires of you to use capital letters? He has shown plenty, especially in his first six months. 'He always leaves the defense like a madman' - I do not agree, as I don't believe that one run every two matches qualifies as 'always'. I believe you're mistaking him with Lucio.


Mediocre attackers as those who play in Genoa, Catania, Roma or Palermo? Let's sell Lucio and Samuel then. Speaking of Samuel - is he fast? No. Has ever been fast? No, not really. Is he a great defender regardless? Yes, he is a great defender regardless.


Please, do not try to enlighten me on my motifs for defending a young, promising defender such as Ranocchia. I really dislike people who do that.



Anger is okay, anger is acceptable. But the amount of irrational posts (and posters..), not only in this thread but in this whole forum is so large, that any sign of such should be attended to.

I'm address other points at a more convenient time because it's 430am, I'm typing on my mobile and I'm jacking off with a spoon and liquid nitrogen, so bear with me.

Now I don't disagree with everything you've said, but despite how eloquently as you can put it, your still missing out on key points (>opinion<). Lucio has been worse than Ranocchia? Now that I disagree. With. Lucio might have made some pretty hardcore blunders here and there, but as some stats have shown (and just from watching matches), Lucio still has an enormous amount of successful tackles and interceptions. I'm not saying these tackles and interceptions justify him fucking up elsewhere, but by and large, he's still reliable to an extent. I don't know about you, but I can't rely on Ranocchia to do anything. For such a tall guy, he's not particularly strong defending aerial balls, nor cleanly tackling opponents.

You mention the Samuel comparison, and while it's true that Mr. L. Jackson has never been fast, his exceptional technique, positioning and cynical footballing brain, more than make up for it. So far, Ranocchia hasn't shown enough of this on a consistent basis.

Like I said before, and I'll reiterate, I'm trying to bathe in golden olive oil. But I agree with some stuff you've written. I believe Ranocchia can and will be an important part of the team in the coming years. But as far as I'm concerned, he deserves all the fucken bashing he's getting.

 

[Darren]

Btw, Jacquez says Santon isn't good enough to play for Inter based on his performances at Newcastle and Cesena.

Well.. why exactly is Ranocchia good enough for us then? Based on one good season for Bari? And a couple of games for us? (handful good versus the rest bad)

People keep talking about his promise and potential, but cite a lack of confidence and consistency for his underperformance. The exact same thing applies to Santon! (except he has more potential in his left foot than Ranocchia has in his whole body)

Serious injuries, too much pressure, bad influences (Arnautovic, Balotelli), lack of stable environment (under Benitez). Same at Cesena and Newcastle, he had to break into those teams from the bench as a young defender with shattered confidence! And then you cite his performances there as 'evidence' for why he isn't good enough for us

Santon has never had a 'solid environment' nor the confidence of his coach, except for a little while under Mourinho. During which time he marked Cristiano Ronaldo out of a game and showed us tremendous promise..
AND he's younger than Rano. But gets less credit.

Once again, double standards.. (the norm on this forum)

 

[Devious]

 

[Choppin Onions]

So what is your bashers' suggestion then? Play Lucio and Samuel? Buy another young CB who will make the same mistakes? Buy another young CB who won't make mistakes at all? (lolololol)

The funny thing here is that people are so impatient and that leads to a paradox. They want young players to replace the old guard but at the same time they want consistent results and victories all the time. When young players make mistakes, they are judged immediately and they should be sold.

The equation is impossible. We need to start giving some leeway to our young players so that they can learn and develop. There is no other way since we can't buy our way to the success.

For example Bonucci was even more horrible at Juve in his first year than what Ranocchia has ever been with us. Now he's showing better performances since there's been trust in him DESPITE the fuckups.

So much of this. I'm okay with young players making mistakes. It's how they learn.

We're entering a bit of rebuilding phase so I hope people can control themselves when Frog, Obi, Poli, Faraoni, Coutinho (when he comes back) and others make the inevitable mistakes.

 

[interista1982]

every player has a good and bad games and these players are senior professionals. he is young and this season is not a season to judge a young players on. they haven't played much for ranirei or gasperini.

 

[Scottish_one]

he should be playing over Lucio every time, says here hes considering leaving as hes not getting minutes. don't blame him TBH

http://www.football-italia.net/17519/ranocchia-eyeing-former-coaches

 

[JJM]

he should be playing over Lucio every time, says here hes considering leaving as hes not getting minutes. don't blame him TBH

http://www.football-italia.net/17519/ranocchia-eyeing-former-coaches

Ranocchia eyeing former Coaches
By Football Italia staff

 

[Bzzlightyear]

Ranocchia eyeing former Coaches
By Football Italia staff

He isnt going to be sold. look he did mistake many mistake imo but stil how much time have we given him ( imo not that much ) compare to other young players he will do fine just need a bit more time and it will come soon. As MM told we gonna change and will have younger players. inter is going to have a new projekt and they gonna keep him no way they will sell him now, when they are about to change.

 

[JJM]

He isnt going to be sold. look he did mistake many mistake imo but stil how much time have we given him ( imo not that much ) compare to other young players he will do fine just need a bit more time and it will come soon. As MM told we gonna change and will have younger players. inter is going to have a new projekt and they gonna keep him no way they will sell him now, when they are about to change.

I know and I was merely ridiculing the headline and the people who wrote the article.

 

[Bzzlightyear]

I know and I was merely ridiculing the headline and the people who wrote the article.

If you take a look on that article then all inter players (expect JZ, Milito ) should be sold next season

 

[JJM]

If you take a look on that article then all inter players (expect JZ, Milito ) should be sold next season

So you need a thank to see that I agree with you?:troll:

 

[Bzzlightyear]

So you need a thank to see I agree with you?:troll:

Everyone have its own opinion, otherwise it will be to boring to be on a forum if every single person say the same things. I got your point so no need to thanks.

 

[v32]

the only way he can improve is to let him play more games, i'm ok with losing and drawing games if we play all out youngster instead of playing those old asses losing and drawing and two years later we still haven't found any proper replacements.

 

[MANTA]

Ranocchia is a risk, but he has the potential to be a great defender, if he can clean up some of his mistakes (which can only happen with more playing time).

I say give him the benefit of the doubt, we need to be more fiscally responsible, so paying a ton for a new defender seems worse than giving Ranocchia a chance.

 

[Jacquez]

Now I don't disagree with everything you've said, but despite how eloquently as you can put it, your still missing out on key points (>opinion<). Lucio has been worse than Ranocchia? Now that I disagree. With. Lucio might have made some pretty hardcore blunders here and there, but as some stats have shown (and just from watching matches), Lucio still has an enormous amount of successful tackles and interceptions.

He has an enormous amount of successful tackles and interceptions - in fact, I believe I've read somewhere that he has the most interceptions of all defenders in Serie A. But the tricky thing with defenders, I believe, is that they should not primarily be measured by what the do - but rather what they fail to do. I am by no means an expert in the technical area of football, I am merely a fan of this particular club, however I think that it is more important to look at the amount of screw-ups a defender has made when assessing his qualities. You yourself put it quite fittingly; tackles and interceptions don't make up for bad calls. Also, on a sidenote, it is difficult to compare the beforementioned stats with those of Ranocchia, as he has played fewer minutes than Lucio has.

I don't know about you, but I can't rely on Ranocchia to do anything. For such a tall guy, he's not particularly strong defending aerial balls, nor cleanly tackling opponents.

Well, we saw a couple of incidents in yesterday's match alone, where your claim is proven to be correct. But I think his weaknesses in aerial challenges are more down to something general, something mental.. probably just wishful thinking. He has become unreliable to some degree, though, but as I've said before, this is something that can be improved by giving him more minutes on the field.

You mention the Samuel comparison, and while it's true that Mr. L. Jackson has never been fast, his exceptional technique, positioning and cynical footballing brain, more than make up for it. So far, Ranocchia hasn't shown enough of this on a consistent basis.

This was my point exactly - that a great defender doesn't have to be able to run fast, but simply to think quick. This is something that will come with minutes as well, and again, probably wishful thinking.

Like I said before, and I'll reiterate, I'm trying to bathe in golden olive oil. But I agree with some stuff you've written. I believe Ranocchia can and will be an important part of the team in the coming years. But as far as I'm concerned, he deserves all the fucken bashing he's getting.

I don't disagree that he has been playing badly. He has been the cause of a lot of goals this season, and for this he deserves criticism. What I fuzz about is the intellectual level of this criticism, the hypocrisy in this criticism and the unfairness of the parameters people are judging him from.

@Darren
Good points. I personally have never really believed in Santon, even following his performances against Roma and Man Utd, and it just doesn't seem that he has a future in the LB-spot. He is young, being born in 1991 (same year as Faraoni), which does make my claim that he has no future in Inter a rather unfounded one. However, I think it is true that he has shown a lot less promise than he has shown signs that he was merely a fluke. I guess time will tell. I still believe that 1 great season at Bari, a good half-season at Genoa and an overall OK season at Inter (10/11 - 11/12) mean more than 4 good matches.

 

[DARi0]

La Gazzetta are suggesting that the player’s other preferred destinations would be Juventus and Paris Saint-Germain.

Both clubs would also represent a link-up with a former tactician of the Italian international’s, with Ranocchia having spent 2008-09 with Antonio Conte at Bari and 2010-11 at Inter under PSG’s sporting director Leonardo.

Loyalty... where are you these days?

There is no defender in the world which doesn't make any mistake, just that the defenders' mistakes are the MOST OBVIOUS blivious: So limit the bashing since he's the future of our club - wether you like it or not

It's just that Samuel & Lucio are/used to be World Class and coaches preferred them before Rano [I would have done the same this season], so he has not seen enough playing time. Next season things will be different in this department, too.

 

[LukasGiovanni]

Juventus? He is considering juventus? Somebody shoot him dead, please!