Antonio Cassano

[NimAraya]

I will answer to your post, but first write me some top names from the past, like Baggio, Zidane, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho(at his prime), Figo etc. that complained at their teammates for bad passes. And I don't mean once a year, I mean on a match basis.

It's like asking some names that invented electrocity before Eddisson! Everybody has his own character. Those players u mentioned above has their own shit and Ibra has his own. But from what I see it's like many people here always gonna double standard Ibra's shit all the time. That's just nonsense and unfair. It's just sad that some fans here bash and point out at our own star even more than rival fans.

Stubborn character has no impact on other players, where as bitching has a negative impact on those that are being bitched at. And I thought it was obvious...

I think I was clear in my words. Being stubborn was just alittle mentioning of Balotelli's caharcter. All in all he's 10 times worse character than Ibra. If he doesn't improve his character there is no way he become a great player in the future.

 

[Luka]

It's like asking some names that invented electrocity before Eddisson! Everybody has his own character. Those players u mentioned above has their own shit and Ibra has his own. But from what I see it's like many people here always gonna double standard Ibra's shit all the time. That's just nonsense and unfair. It's just sad that some fans here bash and point out at our own star even more than rival fans.

Just admit you can't think of any!!! And that's the correct answer. All top players even when playing with less technical players, didn't bitch about it, didn't intimidate them. That's the difference.

As for double standards, I think I wrote about Ibra complaining couple of times, and it was long time ago. I've noticed it somewhere throghout the season and it was really getting on my nerves.

It is nothing new, I'm just trying to find positives in Ibra leaving and look for the future. That doesn't mean I didn't loved him as a magician at Inter, and for what he did to Inter, and for every spectacular move he made.

I'm happy that the team will be more balanced, I hope he won't critisize, I hope Mario won't start doing it like Ibra did, because that would be just terrible, I'm happy the team will play differently for obvious reasons.

Obviously there are cons in this trade off, but I try to stay positive.

 

[Principe]

Just admit you can't think of any!!! And that's the correct answer. All top players even when playing with less technical players, didn't bitch about it, didn't intimidate them. That's the difference.

As for double standards, I think I wrote about Ibra complaining couple of times, and it was long time ago. I've noticed it somewhere throghout the season and it was really getting on my nerves.

It is nothing new, I'm just trying to find positives in Ibra leaving and look for the future. That doesn't mean I didn't loved him as a magician at Inter, and for what he did to Inter, and for every spectacular move he made.

I'm happy that the team will be more balanced, I hope he won't critisize, I hope Mario won't start doing it like Ibra did, because that would be just terrible, I'm happy the team will play differently for obvious reasons.

Obviously there are cons in this trade off, but I try to stay positive.

Kobe Bryant bitches at his teammates all the time but he managed to get an average Lakers side to win the championship, and he's taken them almost all the way so many times with a very similar attitude to Ibra's....I don't think Ibra does it because he's selfish he does it because he wants to win and pushes the team to play on his level. Kobe does the same thing because he's miles ahead of the other players (just like Ibra in Inter's case) and he tries to get the players to perform to his level because that's what's needed. Messi, Iniesta, and such are surrounded by players who are either world class or extraordinary so you don't expect such actions....

I don't know if you've played football on a competitive level, but just see your reaction when you're surrounded by players who are either as good as yourself or better, and when you're the best player on the team. You'll see that when you're the best and by miles and it's competitive you want them all to step up and not make mistakes. Ibra does get frustrated at his mistakes and I've seen him punch his hand and/or scream, but he's also been silent which doesn't mean that he doesn't destroy himself inside and ask for more. But when others make simple mistakes (like Quaresma doing a trivela or trying to beat a player when the best option was to pass to Ibra) he gets frustrated and it's very normal when you're in such a level of football. It's not like Ibra gets frustrated at Cambiasso or Deki or Zanetti, he usually takes it out on players who decide to make idiotic mistakes such as Quaresma, who still makes such mistakes in pre-season, and that's why I don't see it as a problem.

Lebron James also shouts at his teammates when they do something foolish but it doesn't mean that he's an asshole or anything, I'm sure that the whole team loves his attitude in training, during the games, and off the court. It's the same with Ibra, my friends who met him in UCLA have said he's a great guy, and is a joker. While on the pitch he's been nothing but a professional, so I think that blaming Quaresma's short-coming on Ibra's frustration is not logical since Ibra's frustration is nothing but a result of Quaresma's many brain farts. He didn't succeed in Chelsea either, and that doesn't mean that someone was screaming at him there. If he can't take a teammate screaming at him whenever he makes a stupid decision, then he's mentally incapable of playing in the big league.

 

[NimAraya]

Kobe Bryant bitches at his teammates all the time but he managed to get an average Lakers side to win the championship, and he's taken them almost all the way so many times with a very similar attitude to Ibra's....I don't think Ibra does it because he's selfish he does it because he wants to win and pushes the team to play on his level. Kobe does the same thing because he's miles ahead of the other players (just like Ibra in Inter's case) and he tries to get the players to perform to his level because that's what's needed. Messi, Iniesta, and such are surrounded by players who are either world class or extraordinary so you don't expect such actions....

I don't know if you've played football on a competitive level, but just see your reaction when you're surrounded by players who are either as good as yourself or better, and when you're the best player on the team. You'll see that when you're the best and by miles and it's competitive you want them all to step up and not make mistakes. Ibra does get frustrated at his mistakes and I've seen him punch his hand and/or scream, but he's also been silent which doesn't mean that he doesn't destroy himself inside and ask for more. But when others make simple mistakes (like Quaresma doing a trivela or trying to beat a player when the best option was to pass to Ibra) he gets frustrated and it's very normal when you're in such a level of football. It's not like Ibra gets frustrated at Cambiasso or Deki or Zanetti, he usually takes it out on players who decide to make idiotic mistakes such as Quaresma, who still makes such mistakes in pre-season, and that's why I don't see it as a problem.

Lebron James also shouts at his teammates when they do something foolish but it doesn't mean that he's an asshole or anything, I'm sure that the whole team loves his attitude in training, during the games, and off the court. It's the same with Ibra, my friends who met him in UCLA have said he's a great guy, and is a joker. While on the pitch he's been nothing but a professional, so I think that blaming Quaresma's short-coming on Ibra's frustration is not logical since Ibra's frustration is nothing but a result of Quaresma's many brain farts. He didn't succeed in Chelsea either, and that doesn't mean that someone was screaming at him there. If he can't take a teammate screaming at him whenever he makes a stupid decision, then he's mentally incapable of playing in the big league.

That's what I'm talking about! One of the best posts I ever saw in this forum!! :star::star::star::star::star::star::star::star:

When I see people critisizing Ibra for some little things it's like he scores 10 goals and when he misses one they say: See?! He's a chocker!!! It all comes back to that quote that says: "Don't know what You got till it's gone". I'm sure if he was playing at other teams the same people never gonna admit his shit as much as they do about him now.

 

[Alessandro]

Yeah Prince... Brilliant man.

Luka still has a point though. Ibra can act like a cunt sometimes. Not in a motivating way like Kobe or Lebron but in a way that would lower morale. Not all the time but i have seen it.

Nim you havent noticed this???

 

[Luka]

Kobe Bryant bitches at his teammates all the time but he managed to get an average Lakers side to win the championship, and he's taken them almost all the way so many times with a very similar attitude to Ibra's....I don't think Ibra does it because he's selfish he does it because he wants to win and pushes the team to play on his level. Kobe does the same thing because he's miles ahead of the other players (just like Ibra in Inter's case) and he tries to get the players to perform to his level because that's what's needed. Messi, Iniesta, and such are surrounded by players who are either world class or extraordinary so you don't expect such actions....

I don't know if you've played football on a competitive level, but just see your reaction when you're surrounded by players who are either as good as yourself or better, and when you're the best player on the team. You'll see that when you're the best and by miles and it's competitive you want them all to step up and not make mistakes. Ibra does get frustrated at his mistakes and I've seen him punch his hand and/or scream, but he's also been silent which doesn't mean that he doesn't destroy himself inside and ask for more. But when others make simple mistakes (like Quaresma doing a trivela or trying to beat a player when the best option was to pass to Ibra) he gets frustrated and it's very normal when you're in such a level of football. It's not like Ibra gets frustrated at Cambiasso or Deki or Zanetti, he usually takes it out on players who decide to make idiotic mistakes such as Quaresma, who still makes such mistakes in pre-season, and that's why I don't see it as a problem.

Lebron James also shouts at his teammates when they do something foolish but it doesn't mean that he's an asshole or anything, I'm sure that the whole team loves his attitude in training, during the games, and off the court. It's the same with Ibra, my friends who met him in UCLA have said he's a great guy, and is a joker. While on the pitch he's been nothing but a professional, so I think that blaming Quaresma's short-coming on Ibra's frustration is not logical since Ibra's frustration is nothing but a result of Quaresma's many brain farts. He didn't succeed in Chelsea either, and that doesn't mean that someone was screaming at him there. If he can't take a teammate screaming at him whenever he makes a stupid decision, then he's mentally incapable of playing in the big league.

Doesn't suprise me, that you gave basketball examples. It ain't as easy with football ones besides Ibra is it ?

ps. I don't excuse Quaresma for his fuck ups because of Ibra. What I said is that I think it didn't help the dude, especially with fans turning against him as well.

 

[Nero Indigo]

Kobe Bryant bitches at his teammates all the time but he managed to get an average Lakers side to win the championship, and he's taken them almost all the way so many times with a very similar attitude to Ibra's....I don't think Ibra does it because he's selfish he does it because he wants to win and pushes the team to play on his level. Kobe does the same thing because he's miles ahead of the other players (just like Ibra in Inter's case) and he tries to get the players to perform to his level because that's what's needed. Messi, Iniesta, and such are surrounded by players who are either world class or extraordinary so you don't expect such actions....

I don't know if you've played football on a competitive level, but just see your reaction when you're surrounded by players who are either as good as yourself or better, and when you're the best player on the team. You'll see that when you're the best and by miles and it's competitive you want them all to step up and not make mistakes. Ibra does get frustrated at his mistakes and I've seen him punch his hand and/or scream, but he's also been silent which doesn't mean that he doesn't destroy himself inside and ask for more. But when others make simple mistakes (like Quaresma doing a trivela or trying to beat a player when the best option was to pass to Ibra) he gets frustrated and it's very normal when you're in such a level of football. It's not like Ibra gets frustrated at Cambiasso or Deki or Zanetti, he usually takes it out on players who decide to make idiotic mistakes such as Quaresma, who still makes such mistakes in pre-season, and that's why I don't see it as a problem.

Lebron James also shouts at his teammates when they do something foolish but it doesn't mean that he's an asshole or anything, I'm sure that the whole team loves his attitude in training, during the games, and off the court. It's the same with Ibra, my friends who met him in UCLA have said he's a great guy, and is a joker. While on the pitch he's been nothing but a professional, so I think that blaming Quaresma's short-coming on Ibra's frustration is not logical since Ibra's frustration is nothing but a result of Quaresma's many brain farts. He didn't succeed in Chelsea either, and that doesn't mean that someone was screaming at him there. If he can't take a teammate screaming at him whenever he makes a stupid decision, then he's mentally incapable of playing in the big league.

Impressive Post! really nice post Prince* I agree it's alright for a star player to motivate his team mates. However i will not compare Ibra to Kobe or Lebron. They don't choke on the big stage or in crunch ties, which Ibra has done. Kobe and Lebron also pull their team mates to the side and raise their morale, while in Ibra's case - none of the sort. But I do not believe Ibra is responsible for how other people like Quaresma and co. act on the field. If they don't do their job it's their fucking fault, not because Ibra shouted at them. I mean... what're they? 10!? pleeaaaaseee*

 

[Adam]

Great post Prince.:star:

Doesn't suprise me, that you gave basketball examples. It ain't as easy with football ones besides Ibra is it ?

C.Ronaldo, Gerrard, Rooney, Vieira and Keane at the top of my head.. On the other side of that coin though, name a top level club that has been so dependant on just one player. I don't think you'll be able to find one player who was the playmaker, the targetman and the goalscorer, and that had 50% of all goals scored by the club in all competitions, directly scored or assisted by him.

Like I said, try that for a week and let's see if you'll be frustrated. Anyways, why are we talking about Ibra? He's irrelevant for Inter now. No use talking about him. Also, this is Cassano thread no?

 

[Nero Indigo]

Point taken,

 

[Alessandro]

I'm suprised the media haven't got some words from Cassano about possible inter move.

 

[Luka]

I see I'm in minority here. Doesn't matter. It is one of the things that got me on my nerves, if he was infact blaming himself as he did others, I wouldn't notice it. But I won't change my mind, I didn't take it from the clouds.

And the fact it started this year, year when clearly he decided he wants to move... it's not imposible to find there a connection. Why he didn't do it last year, or the year before? Year after year he became more sure of himself, maybe he got to sure of himself this time around and that's why all those things happen? I don't know.

Also, there was many times when Javier made a wrong pass, or Cuchu, but because they are fan favourites it could be not taken as well as for example blaming Quaresma, who fans don't give a shit anyway. I applouded when Mario didn't stand more of it, and told Zlatan off in second, or third game of the season(counting backwords) when Mario didn't pass Zlatan but shot instead. The look of Ibra face was priceless, as he didn't suspect Mario can stand up to him, and he was like O_O.

I deffended and still deffend Zlatan in many things, like CL games etc, but from my point of view I won't about this and it will never change. I didn't invent this.

ps. If Zlatan was critical of himself, he wouldn't act as he did towards CN. It was still wrong to boo him, but he did fuck up couple of times in this game, but he didn't take it well. Tells something about his personality too.

 

[VLE]

Kobe Bryant bitches at his teammates all the time but he managed to get an average Lakers side to win the championship, and he's taken them almost all the way so many times with a very similar attitude to Ibra's....I don't think Ibra does it because he's selfish he does it because he wants to win and pushes the team to play on his level. Kobe does the same thing because he's miles ahead of the other players (just like Ibra in Inter's case) and he tries to get the players to perform to his level because that's what's needed. Messi, Iniesta, and such are surrounded by players who are either world class or extraordinary so you don't expect such actions....

I don't know if you've played football on a competitive level, but just see your reaction when you're surrounded by players who are either as good as yourself or better, and when you're the best player on the team. You'll see that when you're the best and by miles and it's competitive you want them all to step up and not make mistakes. Ibra does get frustrated at his mistakes and I've seen him punch his hand and/or scream, but he's also been silent which doesn't mean that he doesn't destroy himself inside and ask for more. But when others make simple mistakes (like Quaresma doing a trivela or trying to beat a player when the best option was to pass to Ibra) he gets frustrated and it's very normal when you're in such a level of football. It's not like Ibra gets frustrated at Cambiasso or Deki or Zanetti, he usually takes it out on players who decide to make idiotic mistakes such as Quaresma, who still makes such mistakes in pre-season, and that's why I don't see it as a problem.

Lebron James also shouts at his teammates when they do something foolish but it doesn't mean that he's an asshole or anything, I'm sure that the whole team loves his attitude in training, during the games, and off the court. It's the same with Ibra, my friends who met him in UCLA have said he's a great guy, and is a joker. While on the pitch he's been nothing but a professional, so I think that blaming Quaresma's short-coming on Ibra's frustration is not logical since Ibra's frustration is nothing but a result of Quaresma's many brain farts. He didn't succeed in Chelsea either, and that doesn't mean that someone was screaming at him there. If he can't take a teammate screaming at him whenever he makes a stupid decision, then he's mentally incapable of playing in the big league.

Since you brought up NBA, Michael Jordan is a bitcher and teammates say their training was even harder than regular matches because MJ just won't get easy on it. I understand when someone goes mad when they try to give the best and some loony teamate goes wacho.

So, which side does Cassano belong? "I chose Sampdoria because I only have to give 50% of my strength. What is the point of giving 100% when you can't be as famous as Pele or Maradona".

"I love eating and sex. I slept with more than 100 women, and I will never give up my croissant after sex" (when he was overweight in RM).

Capello chasing after him in training because Cassano wasn't doing works but running away.

Demand highest wage in the team, aka Totti.

"I lived poor for 15 yrs. I will live rich for 15 yrs"

"Shut up and leave me alone. I'm gonna leave anyway" when RM trainer told him Cassano had to work more.

He is not fixed. He is just staying quiet. Please don't talk about oh so special one fixing up the messed, as Adriano has already shown us what happens with those, with or without whatever coach we have.

There is a difference between someone angry because one of the teammates are pulling the whole team down, and one just being an asshat.

 

[Adam]

I applouded when Mario didn't stand more of it, and told Zlatan off in second, or third game of the season(counting backwords) when Mario didn't pass Zlatan but shot instead. The look of Ibra face was priceless, as he didn't suspect Mario can stand up to him, and he was like O_O.

You know I've heard about this but I've never seen footage off it. Do you have a link to any of those situations you described?

ps. If Zlatan was critical of himself, he wouldn't act as he did towards CN. It was still wrong to boo him, but he did fuck up couple of times in this game, but he didn't take it well. Tells something about his personality too.

To me that doesn't make sense. Whoever booed him acted in an ungrateful manner, not only to him but also to the team, and he knew it, which is why he reacted the way he did. A player that's given so much shouldn't be booed regardless if he's having a poor match. It has absolutely no relevance to him being critical of himself in my opinion.

But you're right that it does says something about his personality. You fuck with him, he fucks with you. I actually like that about him. I remember seeing Seedorf score for Milan after being booed for a good two months, and he had this huge smile on his face, the fans were all cheering and he ran up to them and did his goalcelebration.

It was just so pathetic seeing him forgive the fans so fast, after they had been humilating him for two months. Reminded me of a friend I used to have whose girlfriend treated him like shit, broke up with him whenever she pleased, but as soon as she came calling, he gladly came running. No selfrespect. Unlike Seedorf, that is something Ibra does have, and that's why he told them to shush and play with his balls.

 

[Mustafa]

I'm suprised the media haven't got some words from Cassano about possible inter move.

Maybe because it's a weekend. Let's wait and see what happens next week.

 

[Faяouk]

Since you brought up NBA, Michael Jordan is a bitcher and teammates say their training was even harder than regular matches because MJ just won't get easy on it. I understand when someone goes mad when they try to give the best and some loony teamate goes wacho.

So, which side does Cassano belong? "I chose Sampdoria because I only have to give 50% of my strength. What is the point of giving 100% when you can't be as famous as Pele or Maradona".

"I love eating and sex. I slept with more than 100 women, and I will never give up my croissant after sex" (when he was overweight in RM).

Capello chasing after him in training because Cassano wasn't doing works but running away.

Demand highest wage in the team, aka Totti.

"I lived poor for 15 yrs. I will live rich for 15 yrs"

"Shut up and leave me alone. I'm gonna leave anyway" when RM trainer told him Cassano had to work more.

He is not fixed. He is just staying quiet. Please don't talk about oh so special one fixing up the messed, as Adriano has already shown us what happens with those, with or without whatever coach we have.

There is a difference between someone angry because one of the teammates are pulling the whole team down, and one just being an asshat.

I love Cassano.

 

[Luka]

You know I've heard about this but I've never seen footage off it. Do you have a link to any of those situations you described?

Unfortunetly, no :/

ps. As for Seedorf and Zlatan situation, I think both are wrong, and the correct way is in the middle (for me). I was angry at the fans, I wouldn't booed myself, but fact is, we(fans) aren't paid for watching, they are paid for playing. Club comes first, then the fans, and THEN the players, and fans have the right to show their appritiation or not. This is one of the fans right. Zanetti would never do something like that, and I mean NEVER. He is the captain, and the team was many times booed, or showed by the fans of their unhappiness in different ways, and Capitano never acted like that, instead he always says that they are playing for the club(Moratti) AND the fans.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Corriere dello Sport (bs paper) rumors that Cassano would be Moratti's next target. Moratti and Mourinho will have a meeting regarding Cassano being suitable to Inter.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.fcinternews.it/%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D6863&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1

Nothing new, just speculation, but hopefully something concrete happens already next week.

 

[Adam]

ps. As for Seedorf and Zlatan situation, I think both are wrong, and the correct way is in the middle (for me). I was angry at the fans, I wouldn't booed myself, but fact is, we(fans) aren't paid for watching, they are paid for playing. Club comes first, then the fans, and THEN the players, and fans have the right to show their appritiation of not.

True, and the players have the right to show their appreciation or discontent back aswell.
Personally I can't stand it when fans turn on one of their own. Booing the team is acceptable, because frankly they deserve to be booed sometimes, but if they single out a player because he has a bad match I will always back the player first, regardless of how he responds.

In fact it makes me happy to see the player flip them off, or curse them out. The way Ibra responded is exactly how I would of responded. It's like, you booed me 5 minutes ago, I score a goal and you love me again? Who needs "love" like that? Go fuck yourselfs!

 

[Luka]

You know what usually new players say. They have a question from reporter, that the fans are unhappy or that fans don't expect much etc. etc. and the players usually say, "I'll win them on the pitch". I don't see players saying "Oh yeah? Then screw them."

That's how I saw it, that Ibra turned into status B

 

[Adam]

You know what usually new players say. They have a question from reporter, that the fans are unhappy or that fans don't expect much etc. etc. and the players usually say, "I'll win them on the pitch". I don't see players saying "Oh yeah? Then screw them."

That's how I saw it, that Ibra turned into status B

I fail to see how that's relevant. New players shouldn't be treated the same as a player that's been performing the best out of any player in the club for the past three years. Ibra was an icon. He should never be booed for having a bad match, and I was so happy to hear that the CN agreed with that. Anyways, the argument kind of spiraled away from it's original point. Whatever.