Bannings and Suspensions

[ADRossi]

Thank you for the clarification. I have a question. Is this ban for a short time or is it permanent? It seems unfair to me to see an old member, who I enjoyed reading their posts (_OC_), get banned permanently.

I don't participate much and I'm new here, but I read your posts and enjoy them. I used to be an admin on some websites and Telegram groups, so I totally understand that it's a tough job and your decisions are not easy.

I think banning members permanently, especially seniors, is not fair. It might be a good idea to ban people only for a specific amount of time depending on which rule they have broken.

6 months.

 

[wera]

Whoever wants to write something political, just write me that through PMs. Don't get yourself banned for this, talk football on the forum, but for political convos talk to me directly.

 

[Meysam]

6 months.

First, It sounds unfair and unnecessary to me. Deleting/modifying the post + banning a couple of days seems fair to me. But i know I'm not in any place to make any decisions here. I said this as an example.

Second, this total scene seems to me like you're looking for an excuse to ban some people who think different than you here.
I'm not sure and maybe I'm wrong, but i think All admins think almost the same and it's easy for them to ban those who are against them.

 

[brehme1989]

I'm active on Reddit and see the complete waste of space their Inter-related conversations are. This place is special to me, and you guys are the reason why.

Political discussion of most sorts has been eliminated for the most part in at least the last 5 years, it's another thing to discuss social aspects and stuff that's around sport/football which cannot really be avoided.

Pretty sure this was the main reason

For the most part, we don't do much actual "moderation" on this forum.

This place is for the most part genuine. People express themselves freely. If we're gonna turn it into a PC policed environment it won't be long since this won't be far from whatever crap Reddit looks like.

And we've lost most of our foul mouthed brethren to the WhatsApp hellhole already... The fun of this place is gonna get sucked up. All you're gonna have is me and @.h. going at it every 3 months


P.S: I firmly feel that if some people are too soft and don't have tolerance for things they disagree with or don't like to see written, they don't belong on an international forum. Rather than pampering to the lowest common denominator, it's much better to expose people to a variety of worldviews and see how different people handle the same things. I'm not saying we should lose members or ban people, but if it were between losing OC or crzd (let's call them complete opposites, they're not but for the sake of this example), I'd much rather lose the ones who complain about either of them for the sake of complaining.

 

[Ed.]

OC should join the WhatsApp group

 

[thatdude]

Thank you for the clarification. I have a question. Is this ban for a short time or is it permanent? It seems unfair to me to see an old member, who I enjoyed reading their posts (_OC_), get banned permanently.

I don't participate much and I'm new here, but I read your posts and enjoy them. I used to be an admin on some websites and Telegram groups, so I totally understand that it's a tough job and your decisions are not easy.

I think banning members permanently, especially seniors, is not fair. It might be a good idea to ban people only for a specific amount of time depending on which rule they have broken.

We are not going to ban him permanently. The ban as it stands currently is 6 months. However, we as moderators are discussing what the actual amount of ban time should be. If we reduce it we will make the decision clear as well.

 

[Ed.]

#SaveOC
#OCLivesMatter

 

[ADRossi]

First, It sounds unfair and unnecessary to me. Deleting/modifying the post + banning a couple of days seems fair to me. But i know I'm not in any place to make any decisions here. I said this as an example.

Second, this total scene seems to me like you're looking for an excuse to ban some people who think different than you here.
I'm not sure and maybe I'm wrong, but i think All admins think almost the same and it's easy for them to ban those who are against them.

For your second point, there are a few counterarguments I would make:

1) If _OC_ had responded to Kramerica's post by simply saying "ADRossi only moderated this after Linege responded with a right-wing view, your moderation is biased," he would not have been banned. Instead, he used this as an opening to spread hateful rhetoric about a race of people. There are different ways to approach problems. He chose the wrong way.

2) This is not _OC_'s first problem on the forum. He was banned last year for one week after he got into a dung slinging contest with Candreva's Crosses. He also received an infraction earlier this year for, unprovoked, insulting another forum member. At some point you need to draw the line. We've banned like two non-troll forum members since I became a moderator. I don't think this is a reign of terror.

3) We have a diverse group of moderators who (hopefully) can cater to the different demographics of people on the forum. I cannot tell you the politicial affiliation of any moderator on this forum (although I'm pretty sure @CafeCordoba is a communist ). @thatdude and I both live in America. @Il Drago and @CafeCordoba both live in Europe. I understand that as an American I cannot always understand why people are passionate about certain topics. That's when we can rely on the others to help make decisions, and for the record the European moderators both agree with this decision. I will tell you now, both @thatdude and I could not care less about European immigration policies. It has ZERO impact on our lives. I can't even name you ten living European politicians.

P.S: I firmly feel that if some people are too soft and don't have tolerance for things they disagree with or don't like to see written, they don't belong on an international forum. Rather than pampering to the lowest common denominator, it's much better to expose people to a variety of worldviews and see how different people handle the same things. I'm not saying we should lose members or ban people, but if it were between losing OC or crzd (let's call them complete opposites, they're not but for the sake of this example), I'd much rather lose the ones who complain about either of them for the sake of complaining.

I think you hit the nail on the head here, @brehme1989. There were four or five different instances where _OC_ reported Crzd's posts this year alone. In at least one instance Crzd received an infraction. Clearly _OC_ cannot emotionally handle reading Crzd's posts without being triggered. He could have used the ignore list feature, but chose not to. Now that we're switching back to a zero tolerance approach, some of @crzdcolombian's posts may need to be handled differently in the future. But, personally for me, I zero clue how anyone reads Crzd's and takes them as seriously as _OC_ did. I laugh, roll my eyes, and move on. Maybe that's because Crzd and I live in the same country. I haven't received any other instances of forum members reporting Crzd's posts. I think the majority of you view things the same way I do, but if you don't now is your opportunity to vocalize it.

 

[Raul Duke]

_OC_ is banned from the forum.

Do @Fitzy next

 

[brehme1989]

(although I'm pretty sure @CafeCordoba is a communist )

@Kramerica Industries can't help myself

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[ADRossi]

Do @Fitzy next

Next time he criticizes my poor pronounciations on INTER JECTIONS, he's gone!

 

[Ed.]

OC has been GeorgeFloyded

 

[thatdude]

OC has been GeorgeFloyded

Perfect example. This post and the #OCLivesMatter post you made a few places up are examples of what we can’t allow moving forward. It opens the door.

Here’s your warning.

 

[.h.]

OC has been GeorgeFloyded

Wow, that's... kinda asking for trouble

 

[Ed.]

2 mods gave infarction at the same time.. Lol

 

[ADRossi]

2 mods gave infarction at the same time.. Lol

Which goes to show how much of a jerk you're intentionally choosing to be.

 

[Ed.]

Perfect example. This post and the #OCLivesMatter post you made a few places up are examples of what we can’t allow moving forward. It opens the door.

Here’s your warning.

Which goes to show how much of a jerk you're intentionally choosing to be.

Or you are just trying to show off your power..

 

[ADRossi]

Or you are just trying to show off your power..

Stop with this shit, Ed. You don't even post on this forum on a good day. Now, after a clear post that said "no more political discussions", you feel the need to log in and make dumb, unfunny posts of a political nature. No one wants you here if that's going to be the extent of your contributions. Talk about Inter or get out.

 

[.h.]

The oclivesmatter wasn't too bad imho but the "georgeflloyded" was just way too far no matter which side of the political spectrum you sit in tbh

 

[Dave54]

I like OC. He was one of a few guys that frequently visited my chess thread. 6 months ban seems excessive to me.