Copa Bridgestone Libertadores 2014

[R.Palacio8]

Yeah, today I was checking that, and I really think that 7 spots for Argentina is waay too much, and more considering that now the teams that are playing the Libertadores can't play the Sudamericana... teams like Belgrano, Godoy Cruz and Atlético Rafaela will probably be playing it!! I think that they do that because Argentina and Brazil are the ones that won more international cups, but still is irrational...

IMO, we should copy EVERYTHING (and when i mean everything, is EVERY THING) from European Tournaments and how to qualify to them... It's fucking simple and perfect!:
The best 3 (or 4 or 2, depending on the strength of the league) of the Season would go to Libertadores
The following 3 (or 4, 3, 2) and the local Cup champions would go to Sudamericana (and not like Argentina, that the Copa Argentina's winner plays the Libertadores...)
The last 3 would be relegated (no "promedios" like Argentina )

Also, should participate EVERY South American country, like the Champions League, where even a team from Luxemburgo or San Marino has its chances to qualify. Of course, to do this, there should be more qualifying rounds...
And no stupid bullshit like "the team that got further in the Sudamericana will qualify to the Libertadores" (I think this is only appliable to argies teams). The funny thing is that this irrational thing was established when Arsenal was the one that went further in the Sudamericana... :rollani:

EDIT: Confirmed: it was established because of Grondona's team, notice that in 2011 the "2011 Copa Sudamericana best performing team not yet qualified" did not existed, Independiente qualified but they were the champions, not like Arsenal...
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Libertadores_2011#Equipos_participantes
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Libertadores_2012#Equipos_participantes

 

[crzdcolombian]

OMG Velez is out hahaha

Now thursday Atletico Nacional needs to take out Minero and Dinho in Brazil. Sad that Strongest lost in PKs.

Who are the favorites? Lanus, Gremio or San Lorenzo?

 

[R.Palacio8]

OMG Velez is out hahaha

Now thursday Atletico Nacional needs to take out Minero and Dinho in Brazil. Sad that Strongest lost in PKs.

Who are the favorites? Lanus, Gremio or San Lorenzo?

I would bet on Lanús, has a great team, and there aren't many strong teams. But this applies to San Lorenzo too, it's their better chance to stop being the "Libertadores's virgin" :trollol: I don't know much about Gremio, just hope they are out, I hate brazilian teams

 

[crzdcolombian]

I would bet on Lanús, has a great team, and there aren't many strong teams. But this applies to San Lorenzo too, it's their better chance to stop being the "Libertadores's virgin" :trollol: I don't know much about Gremio, just hope they are out, I hate brazilian teams

haha me too I don't like Brazilian teams they are def over rated then some random 18 year old is the talk of the town. That Oltimendi kid everyone was nutting on to come to Inter from Porto hasn't done shit. I can't wait till River gets back into shit next season and that they win the title hate all these random ass Argie teams in this cup.

Gremio just got eliminated in PKs against San Lorenzo. I think the Argie team is the one to beat.

 

[crzdcolombian]

Atletico Nacional knocks Dinho and company out of the tourney

San Lorenzo and Atletico are the teams I think will be in the final.

Willy told you Cardona is a beast. Kid is a hot head but to me is better than Quintero

 

[R.Palacio8]

Atletico Nacional knocks Dinho and company out of the tourney

San Lorenzo and Atletico are the teams I think will be in the final.

Willy told you Cardona is a beast. Kid is a hot head but to me is better than Quintero

Cardona had a one-on-one chance really wasted, could have closed the serie there. But good for you knocking out them !!
Now Cruzeiro is the only brazilian left. Curious fact: only them and Atlético had previously won the Libertadores, so I think there could be a new champion.
Maybe Arsenal surprising everyone and reaching the finals? The most probable thing is Atlético knocking them out in semifinals (I assume they will knock out Nacional), but this is South America, there is always room for surprises! IMO Lanús will knock out San Lorenzo in semifinals (In case they qualify) So I'm betting on Atlético Nacional and Lanús in the final.

 

[crzdcolombian]

Lanus better than San Lorenzo?

Isn't Arsenal about to get demoted?

 

[R.Palacio8]

Lanus better than San Lorenzo?

Isn't Arsenal about to get demoted?

you mean relegated? No, remember that here relegations are determined by the "promedios". In that issues, they are far from being demoted... In fact, former Libertadores' champions Argentinos was just relegated last sunday. Take a look at the promedios:
http://www.ole.com.ar/estadisticas/futbol/primera-division.html#descensos_tab
And yes, San Lorenzo is not precisely an invencible team, they barely got through the group stage, with a last-minute goal of Piatti. Lanús has a very good team, they recently won the Sudamericana with that same team. IMO they would knock them off if they both reached semifinals. They got a great keeper like Marchesin, a solid defender like Goltz, good forwards like Silva, Acosta and Melano. The paraguayan Ayala has a great shooting from outside the box. Somoza fits very well in a small team. They've got very good material to win a Libertadores that has no strong teams.

 

[crzdcolombian]

I can't believe Lanus tied in Argentina to Bolivar!!!!

Then Atletico Nacional with like 50 shots at goal lost to Defensor 2-0 at home who only shot 3x at net hahaha.

Wtf is happening in this tournament ?

 

[R.Palacio8]

I can't believe Lanus tied in Argentina to Bolivar!!!!

Then Atletico Nacional with like 50 shots at goal lost to Defensor 2-0 at home who only shot 3x at net hahaha.

Wtf is happening in this tournament ?

I dunno, it reminds me a lot of argentinian league: anyone can win against anybody, no matter how weak is that team... It's the stranger tournament in the last years... Will the final match be Defensor against Bolivar??

 

[crzdcolombian]

I dunno, it reminds me a lot of argentinian league: anyone can win against anybody, no matter how weak is that team... It's the stranger tournament in the last years... Will the final match be Defensor against Bolivar??

I hate Defensor they played such a little bitch game. Just like when Uruguay beat us 2-0 in Uruguay. Its like why are you parking the bus against us AT FING HOME !!!!!!!!! You go to Brazil and Argentina to win but park the bus against FING Colombia !!!

Defend + Counter attack of Uruguay, Paraguay and Italy is so annoying to watch. I rather lose then play that shit anti-football

 

[R.Palacio8]

I think they play like that because they are a small team. Arsenal plays the same style, but still lost against Nacional de Paraguay. Can't blame them for that... Corinthians won the 2012 edition without losing a single game, and THAT's a team you could blame for playing like that...
It's the shittiest tournament in years, will probably have a virgin champion

Spoiler: asd

y de la manera que las cosas se van dando... parece que va a ser San Lorenzo, todo gracias al Papa y a Marcelo Hugo Tinelli

 

[R.Palacio8]

The strangest Libertadores in decades... some curious facts about this weird competition:
-It is the first time in 23 years that there aren't any brazilian teams in semifinals :slick:
-There wasn't any bolivian teams in semifinals since 1986, at that time the system was different and there were 6 teams in semifinals.
-The 4 semifinalists had never won the cup before, this has not happened since 1992, when São Paulo, Newell's, América de Cali and Barcelona de Ecuador arrived at this instance. Later, São Paulo would be the champions.

The semifinals will be played after the WC, so will have to wait to see who's gonna lose against Raja Casablanca next Club World Cup

 

[crzdcolombian]

San Lorenzo needs to win this cup. If Bolivar wins South America going to look like shit at that Club WC. Sucks for Nacional but its their own fault they didn't buy a striker in the off season and WTF are they still using Juan Pablo Angel he is like 100 years old !!