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So I guess I was under the assumption that Steven was desperately hanging on to Inter because he still believes this will come through (and the stadium), but if we're not even in it then...what are we even doing here?
 

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Can Juve be in Serie B and the ESL at the same time? ..
 

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Why not? Would be hilarious :lol:
 

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They could set up an ES(B)L - for the best teams in all the 2nd tier divisions.


Juve, Burnley, Sheffield United, Las Palmas, Eibar...
 

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If everyone would have the same budget this would perhaps be a good idea. But even if Inter gets the 300M or whatever the number was, english teams will still have 600M... thats why premier league already is a super league on its own.
 

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Can Juve be in Serie B and the ESL at the same time? ..
The local federations are very likely to ban the Superleague teams, so I assume no.

That's because UEFA will not allow them to participate if they're not willing to qualify for their own competitions. This isn't FIBA....
 

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It was a joke brah
 

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It was a joke brah
I know but I'm saying that it's not even possible to be in Serie A either.

PL clubs have it slightly better since they are in charge of their league but they're going to have legal battles with UEFA if it escalates.
 

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I thought it was just Juve, Barca and Real still in it.
 

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#EuropeanClubFootball is at a tipping point. Huge imbalances have emerged across the continent and clubs with glorious European traditions are no longer able to compete. Clubs have accumulated billions of losses, many of them caused by uncontrolled spending. (1/29)
Last October we began an open dialogue on the future of European club football. Since then, we have spoken to nearly 50 European clubs and and other football stakeholders. The majority shares the assessment that the very foundation of European football is under threat. (2/29)
Our dialogue has been honest, direct, and fruitful. Clearly there is more work to do, and the dialogue will continue. The consistent feedback received by us on European club competitions has been distilled into the 10 principles presented below. (3/29)
Principle 1: Broad Based and Meritocratic Competitions

The European football league should be an open, multi-divisional competition with 60 to 80 teams, allowing for sustainable distribution of revenues across the pyramid. (4/29)
Participation should be based on annual sporting merit and there should be no permanent members. Open qualification based on domestic performance would grant rising clubs access to the competition while maintaining competitive dynamics at domestic level. (5/29)
Principle 2: Domestic Tournaments: the Foundation of Football

Participating clubs should remain fully committed to domestic tournaments as they do today. At the same time, the critical need to strengthen and make more competitive domestic tournaments (6/29)
across the continent must be addressed. European competitions should play a pivotal role in helping to achieve this goal by generating and allocating additional resources throughout the system. (7/29)
Principle 3: Improve Competitiveness with Stable and Sustainable Resources

Improving the competitiveness of European clubs requires additional financial resources to be shared across the pyramid and strictly enforced Financial Sustainability rules. (8/29)
Clubs also need greater stability and predictability in annual revenues so they can make sensible, long-term commitments to player and infrastructure expenditures. (9/29)
Substantial improvements in the format and attractiveness of the current European competitions would generate additional resources. (10/29)
Stability and predictability in revenues would be dramatically improved by offering clubs a minimum of 14 guaranteed European matches each season. (11/29)
Principle 4: Player Health Must Be at the Centre of the Game

The health of players must be a key component in determining the number of matches each year. (12/29)
The number of European club competition match days should not be increased beyond those in currently planned competition calendars. (13/29)
Player organisations should be involved to safeguard players’ health and social dialogue across EU should be promoted. Importantly European clubs and players should not be obliged to participate in expanded or new tournaments imposed by third parties. (14/29)
Principle 5: Club Run Competitions with Transparent, Well Enforced Financial Sustainability Rules

European club competitions should be governed by the clubs as they are domestically, not by third parties who benefit without taking any risk. (15/29)
The governance structure must be fully compliant with EU law. To improve sustainability, spending should be based only on resources generated, not from competition-distorting capital injections. (16/29)
Financial Sustainability rules should allow clubs to only spend a fixed percentage of their annual football-related revenue on player salaries and net transfers with appropriate provisions for smaller clubs and transition rules. (17/29)
Principle 6: The World’s Best Football Competition

In developing a pan-European competition, the aspiration must be to create the most exciting sporting event in the world. Football fans deserve the best matches, and the best experience. (18/29)
It is also critical that younger generations, attracted by globally expanding US sports and digital entertainment, continue to embrace football as the most loved sport in the world. (19/29)
This can only be achieved with competitions that enable the world’s best players to compete throughout the entire season with exciting matches from beginning to end. (20/29)
Principle 7: Improved Fan Experience

Football is the people’s game and dialogue with fans and independent fan groups is essential to discover ideas which can improve the fan experience. (21/29)
Additional measures should be taken to facilitate fan attendance at away games. There should also be standards for infrastructure to bring football stadiums up to consistent, high levels of quality, enhancing the live football experience. (22/29)
Principle 8: Develop and Finance Women’s Football

Football stakeholders should promote and develop the women’s game by putting it “centre stage” side-by-side with men’s competitions. (23/29)
To achieve this goal, financing should be significantly expanded beyond existing contributions from women’s European club competitions. Investments should be provided not only at a professional but also at grass roots level. (24/29)
Principle 9: Significant Increase in Solidarity
Grass roots solidarity is an essential pillar of European football and should be increased far beyond current levels. (25/29)
As previously announced, a minimum of €400 million per year to grass roots solidarity, non-participating clubs and social causes – more than two times the contribution from existing European Club Competitions – should achieve this objective. (26/29)
Transparency should be ensured via the supervision of independent authorities with clear annual reporting on spending and its impact. (27/29)
Principle 10: Respect For European Union Law and Values

European football and its stakeholders must embrace the values, laws and fundamental freedoms of the EU. (28/29)
Further, no European club should be forced to dispute resolution systems outside the EU rule of law. The jurisdiction of sport arbitration should be strictly limited to matters of sport. Any other disputes should be addressed to the appropriate forum. (29/29)
All cases should be under the ultimate supervision of the judicial system of the EU.

 

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It is also critical that younger generations, attracted by globally expanding US sports and digital entertainment, continue to embrace football as the most loved sport in the world. (19/29)
This can only be achieved with competitions that enable the world’s best players to compete throughout the entire season with exciting matches from beginning to end. (20/29)
Principle 7: Improved Fan Experience

Football is the people’s game and dialogue with fans and independent fan groups is essential to discover ideas which can improve the fan experience. (21/29)
Additional measures should be taken to facilitate fan attendance at away games. There should also be standards for infrastructure to bring football stadiums up to consistent, high levels of quality, enhancing the live football experience. (22/29)



I hate this kind of arguments. People will embrace the sport if it wasn't for the modern football shit. Spending millions and millions on dozens of players, sacking a coach if he doesn't win 2 matches in a row, forgetting the fans, buying players who aren't better than youth players etc etc. Ask ridiculous amount of money for attending games etc etc. It has nothing to do with wanting to see Real Madrid-Bayern Munich 6 times a year.
 

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At this point, my morals and values no longer give a shit. We already have a super league (EPL), so if we have an option to be in it we might as well take it.
 

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Clubs have accumulated billions of losses, many of them caused by uncontrolled spending.
First line, you know everything else is bullshit.

The majority shares the assessment that the very foundation of European football is under threat
Like what?
 

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At this point, my morals and values no longer give a shit. We already have a super league (EPL), so if we have an option to be in it we might as well take it.
But this isn't it.

Even if we get 500m more from this, bigger fish keep getting more and more. The balance doesn't change. Relative poorness of our club would remain the same.

Some fans of the clubs like Inter, Juve etc support Super League only because it would give more money to their loved clubs. What they fail to acknowledge is, the relative position of the club won't change.

Where this extra money comes from? It comes from better TV deals. Well, why would we get equal money to Real/Barca/EPL clubs when the market right now doesn't work like that? Answer is, we wouldn't get the equal money. There is no free money somewhere in the market floating free, which would be allocated to football IF the Super League started to exist suddenly. Maybe some of the money going to UEFA would be allocated to bigger clubs, but that is pocket change. Not a relevant number at all. Specially that, like pointed earlier, Inter wouldn't benefit from any extra money more than anyone else. Ie. the relative financial position of Inter would stay the same compared to our rivals.
 
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