European Super League Discussion

[Il Drago]

Anyone who thinks Inter or another Italian team is going to have a realistic chance winning this Super League bullshit is in for a rude awakening. Italian teams will be the punching bags for English and Spanish teams.

If this this thing goes through, honestly i am done as a football fan. It would kill football for me and it would make the domestic leagues redundant. The beauty of this sport was you had to earn your European qualification on the pitch. It wasn't granted to you for "historical reasons". And that was the right thing. Just imagine banter Inter in this league. Embarrassent by itself.

It also gave the underdogs a chance, no matter how slim it was. In the last decade we had seen teams like Dortmund, Monaco, Ajax, Lyon, Atalanta and Leipzig go far in the competition. Now these teams aren't even allowed to participate now matter what they do in their league. Only one word can describe this new league. A travesty.

As an Interista, i feel really ashamed of my club on this day. We decided to sell our souls to the devil for money. So i won't complain for any punishment we receive from Italian league. Even if it costs us the Scudetto our coach and players fought so hard for. FUCK SUNING!

 

[brehme1989]

I don't think anyone will care enough about winning this.

This will just Arsenalize 80% of the participants.

Perfect irony: top 4 teams to qualify for Champions League

 

[Il Drago]

benfica and nottingham forest have as many CL wins as Juve. If they have to play for it to get in, so do Juve.

Forget about Benfica. They haven't even included Ajax who have as many CL trophies as Man United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Tottenham altogether

 

[Fapuccino]

Anyone who thinks Inter or another Italian team is going to have a realistic chance winning this Super League bullshit is in for a rude awakening. Italian teams will be the punching bags for English and Spanish teams.

If this this thing goes through, honestly i am done as a football fan. It would kill football for me and it would make the domestic leagues redundant. The beauty of this sport was you had to earn your European qualification on the pitch. It wasn't granted to you for "historical reasons". And that was the right thing. Just imagine banter Inter in this league. Embarrassent by itself.

It also gave the underdogs a chance, no matter how slim it was. In the last decade we had seen teams like Dortmund, Monaco, Ajax, Lyon, Atalanta and Leipzig go far in the competition. Now these teams aren't even allowed to participate now matter what they do in their league. Only one word can describe this new league. A travesty.

As an Interista, i feel really ashamed of my club on this day. We decided to sell our souls to the devil for money. So i won't complain for any punishment we receive from Italian league. Even if it costs us the Scudetto our coach and players fought so hard for. FUCK SUNING!

Lmao. If there are any teams right now that will make us a punching bag are Bayern and PSG.

 

[vex]

Anyone who thinks Inter or another Italian team is going to have a realistic chance winning this Super League bullshit is in for a rude awakening. Italian teams will be the punching bags for English and Spanish teams.

If this this thing goes through, honestly i am done as a football fan. It would kill football for me and it would make the domestic leagues redundant. The beauty of this sport was you had to earn your European qualification on the pitch. It wasn't granted to you for "historical reasons". And that was the right thing. Just imagine banter Inter in this league. Embarrassent by itself.

It also gave the underdogs a chance, no matter how slim it was. In the last decade we had seen teams like Dortmund, Monaco, Ajax, Lyon, Atalanta and Leipzig go far in the competition. Now these teams aren't even allowed to participate now matter what they do in their league. Only one word can describe this new league. A travesty.

As an Interista, i feel really ashamed of my club on this day. We decided to sell our souls to the devil for money. So i won't complain for any punishment we receive from Italian league. Even if it costs us the Scudetto our coach and players fought so hard for. FUCK SUNING!

Italian teams are a punching bags since inter last won it and ffp was introduced, lets be honest. If anything this type of shit is godsend to a team like inter and milan who were fucked the most through ffp.

I don't know, my only problem with this right now is the diminished meritocracy system that was in place, cus you only have 5 teams that qualify through domestic league, everything else is basically cl replacement.

It is elitist, it is kinda unfair to other clubs, but I also understand these big clubs who have huge fan bases and want to capitalize even more for it.

 

[ath]

Honestly, seeing the same matches every week is kind of boring. We're going to face the same opponents over and over, I hate it.

Personnaly, I am not that interested in the CL anymore either, I want a return to The true European Cup : You win your league, you're in the CL. Not this fucked up inequality when 5 countries has 50% of the qualifying spot.

I want a Uefa Cup / Europa League that is trully competitive and bring back C2.

I want 90's European Cup basically, when winning C2 or C3 was equally harder and prestigious as winning C1.

 

[Il Drago]

Super League clubs tell FIFA legal action already started

LONDON (AP) — The 12 European clubs pursuing a Super League have told the leaders of FIFA and UEFA that legal action is already being pursued to stop them from action intended to thwart the launch of the breakaway competition, according to a letter obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

The letter was sent by the group of English, Spanish and Italian clubs to FIFA President Gianni Infantino and UEFA counterpart Aleksander Ceferin saying the Super League has already been underwritten by funding of 4 billion euros ($5.5 billion) from a financial institution.

UEFA warned the Super League clubs, including Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Manchester United, after leaks of their plans on Sunday that legal action would be taken against rebel clubs and saying they would barred from existing domestic competitions like La Liga in Spain and the Premier League in England and international competitions.

“We are concerned that FIFA and UEFA may respond to this invitation letter by seeking to take punitive measures to exclude any participating club or player from their respective competitions,” the Super League clubs wrote to Infantino and Ceferin

“Your formal statement does, however, compel us to take protective steps to secure ourselves against such an adverse reaction, which would not only jeopardize the funding commitment under the Grant but, significantly, would be unlawful. For this reason, SLCo (Super League Company) has filed a motion before the relevant courts in order to ensure the seamless establishment and operation of the Competition in accordance with applicable laws.”

The courts were not named.

“It is our duty, as SLCo’s board members, to ensure that all reasonable actions available to protect the interests of the Competition and our stakeholders are duly taken, given the irreparable damage that would be suffered if, for any reason, we were deprived of the opportunity to form promptly the Competition and distribute the proceeds of the Grant,” the Super League letter continued.

The Super League intends to launch a 20-team competition with 15 founding members but only 12 have currently signed up. They are also Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Tottenham from England. Atletico Madrid and Milan rivals AC and AC are also part of the plan.

The breakaway was launched just as UEFA, which runs European football, thought it had agreement on an expansion of the Champions League from 2024. Now, the same officials who backed the plans have decided to go it alone while claiming the existing competitions could remain — despite losing their most successful teams, including record 13-time European champion Real Madrid and six-time winner Liverpool.

“The Competition is to be played alongside existing domestic league and cup competitions, which are a key part of European football’s competitive fabric,” reads the Super League letter to Infanatino and Ceferin. “We do not seek to replace the UEFA’s Champions League or the Europa League but to compete with and exist alongside those tournaments.

https://apnews.com/article/europe-international-soccer-champions-league-gianni-infantino-barcelona-749ce4257b0f9a17b3fc34d60cccd00c

 

[bubba zanetti]

Disgusted by this. Fucking chinese greedy fucks, Moratti would never accept to particapate in this snobbery fest initiated by mafioso Agnelli. FUCK THIS.

 

[.h.]

Forget about Benfica. They haven't even included Ajax who have as many CL trophies as Man United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Tottenham altogether

tbh, the problem is Ajax won 3 back to back in the 70s, once in the 90s, and not really anything amazing since off the top of my head.

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Disgusted by this. Fucking chinese greedy fucks, Moratti would never accept to particapate in this snobbery fest initiated by mafioso Agnelli. FUCK THIS.

oh cmon, i dont believe that for a second. We would have been forced to participate by virtue of missing out if we didnt participate. No ESL = much lower revenue for not participating clubs. The only reason PSG have turned it down is because of the conflict of interests with FIFA and BeIN. And Bayern are fan owned, so unlikely to pass.

If you assume our commercials will be the same, and our matchday will be roughly the same (fewer games, but more big matches, 9 home games at 3m a game is already 27m, + season tickets not unreasonable).. we're basically looking at a 2.5x increase on our broadcast revenue, or taking our club revenues from like 300-350mil to 500-600mil. No way we'd pass that up.

 

[ath]

Juve won one in the 80's, one in the 90's and nothing since.

Fuck Juve, swap Ajax with them.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Honestly, seeing the same matches every week is kind of boring. We're going to face the same opponents over and over, I hate it.

Personnaly, I am not that interested in the CL anymore either, I want a return to The true European Cup : You win your league, you're in the CL. Not this fucked up inequality when 5 countries has 50% of the qualifying spot.

I want a Uefa Cup / Europa League that is trully competitive and bring back C2.

I want 90's European Cup basically, when winning C2 or C3 was equally harder and prestigious as winning C1.

This. If you play same opponents every month and ever year, those matches lose the glamour. It's just yet another Inter-Barcelona or yet another Inter-Juve.

If there are no ordinary games, the big games are not big games anymore. They are just ordinary games from that point on.

 

[spork]

Some tidbits as the news day rolls along...

• In response to the New York Times articled posted by Il Drago on page 1, JP Morgan is confirmed to be one of institutions that will finance the proposed European Super League (ESL).

• Dan Roan from BBC tweeted about Real Madrid and Manchester United being the suppoesd drivers of this movement. He also included that the US-based owners of the Premier League clubs in the ESL see this as an opportunity to model after the National Football League (NFL).

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the ESL finals were to be played outside of Europe; I can already imagine a big-market US city licking their chops with the prospect of using their NFL or college football stadium to host the match.

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This. If you play same opponents every month and ever year, those matches lose the glamour. It's just yet another Inter-Barcelona or yet another Inter-Juve.

If there are no ordinary games, the big games are not big games anymore. They are just ordinary games from that point on.

Too true. I am already envisioning an NBA-style ESPN Monday and Wednesday telecast where they show "marquee" matches on prime time. Heck, the NHL also drew up a similar scenario with the temporary divisional realignments this season where you have big teams facing one another within their own respective divisions. After you get past the initial excitement of seeing the previous Stanley Cup finalists play each other a minimum of eight times during the regular season, for example, the novelty and appeal of it quickly fades.

On a related note, these extra games shoved in an already condensed schedule will take a toll on the players. It is already noticeable in the NHL example above where teams are already completely gassed at this point. Their performance suffers, and are placed at a greater risk of injury.

 

[.h.]

This. If you play same opponents every month and ever year, those matches lose the glamour. It's just yet another Inter-Barcelona or yet another Inter-Juve.

If there are no ordinary games, the big games are not big games anymore. They are just ordinary games from that point on.

100% this. Big match fatigue will be real. The coppa already doesnt (often) get taken THAT seriously in some of the mid/semi-latter stages.

 

[Fapuccino]

Disgusted by this. Fucking chinese greedy fucks, Moratti would never accept to particapate in this snobbery fest initiated by mafioso Agnelli. FUCK THIS.

You're joking right? This was inevitable. Arsene Wenger predicted this 10 years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/aug/17/arsene-wenger-european-super-league

You have articles since fucking 1998 with media companies in Italy pushing for this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/199930.stm

 

[CafeCordoba]

can already imagine a big-market US city licking their chops with the prospect of using their NFL or college football stadium to host the match.

Yeah that's also the disgusting thing in this fuckery. They will make the teams fly all over the place in the globe to play these exhibition matches. And I'm not really sure how that's going to work.

The locality and the local fans have been so big part in football, at least in Southern Europe. Dunno about EPL, I think they've kind of partly destroyed it already but surely there are big fanbases too.

Imagine Inter playing in some random Asian city, in a big stadium with full of random Asian fans. Where's the emotion anymore? Who gives a fuck about anything anymore on the pitch?

Then compare that to full Meazza, a match against Juventus.

 

[Harpsabu]

Football is kill

If nothing happens now, in 10 years the Premier league will be the super league anyway. I'm sure real Madrid etc can see this coming and this is why. Their revenues already kill every other league and it will only get bigger whilst interest in the other leagues dwindle.

I'm not for the ESL, but something has to be done in creating a level playing field around Europe

 

[.h.]

Honestly, with Brexit and the new work permits, etc, I dont think the premiership would be the problem in +3-5 years time. Remember, the pound is on a downward spiral, so UK salaries need to be higher to compensate for what they can make in Europe. There's at least (aside from City in the league), fairly decent rotation in England of the clubs that do well - 15 years ago you'd have said Real and Barca for Spain, and its still true today. 15 years ago in England it was, what, Chelsea on the rise, Man Utd and Arsenal? Now its City, Liverpool and ?? Tottenham?? As of right now, next season will have West Ham and Leicester in the CL. When was the last time you didnt have both Real and Barca in from Spain?

 

[IRR26]

I really haven't read much about this super league but whats the super element in Tottenham, Arsenal, Man City and Atlético de Madrid? Also could add Chelsea in that list but they got that one CL title so maybe.

So this is the "rich clubs league" where almost half of the teams have never won european cup/ champions league. This is Agnelli's second try after they couldn't manage to win the CL.

 

[IM21]

Romano - Official: Borussia Dortmund have just announced that they’re *not* joining the #SuperLeague. Yellow circleBlack circle #BVB

“The clubs wants to implement the planned reform of the UEFA Champions League. The plans to found a Super League have been rejected”, BVB CEO Watzke said.


Respect bvb

 

[YoramG]

The only comfort I take from this is that this is the biggest possible middle finger we could have given UEFA after our years of FFP and Settlement Agreement bullshit.

Couldn't include M'Vila in our fucking Europa League squad. Ceferin and co. can fuck themselves. I hope both UEFA and the ESL fail.