Francesco Acerbi

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Nothing came out of it because 10 years ago no one in Italy gave a fuck about racism. At least they've progressed since we have this debacle at our hands now.

What progression? A black person claims something said towards him was racist, therefore it is objectively racist and the supposed instigator needs to be punished without proof?

That's regression in my book.

 

[CafeCordoba]

What progression? A black person claims something said towards him was racist, therefore it is objectively racist and the supposed instigator needs to be punished without proof?

That's regression in my book.

Progression is that a debacle arises from a claim made by a player. That someone even cares about racism.

Which you don't seem to give a fuck about.

 

[brehme1989]

Ironically modern Italians are victims of slavery (Barbary pirates, ahem ahem) and haven't actually practiced it even in Abyssinia - with the exception of Venetian Republic - yet they're called "white" here whereas in the place where this racial toxicity stems from, Italians were called "brown" or "sicilian" and were banned from ticking the White box

And of course the ancient practice of slavery had no racial connotations. Neither does the modern practice, coz just fyi, it's still a thing.

Pffff so can we stop mixing up two separate issues and focus on Acerbi alone?

 

[_OC_]

Progression is that a debacle arises from a claim made by a player. That someone even cares about racism.

Which you don't seem to give a fuck about.

So you've ultimately arrived at "believe accusations of racism no matter what, and punish the supposed perpatrator without needing any burden of proof". Completely wild and dangerous precedent - which we're unfortunately already seeing being practised out in the real world already - but alright.

Because I disagree with that notion entirely doesn't mean that I don't care about Juan Jesus' claims, or I don't want them to be investigated, but there's a process here that ensures Acerbi isn't just thrown to the wolves before we know if he did anything worthy of being punished. If it turns out he did, I'd be in favor of him being punished, perhaps even his contract being terminated. Simple as.
That you can't grasp that seems highly surprising and illogcal, coming from an otherwise logical and calculated poster.

Again; I doubt you'd see it this way, if I began throwing out wild accusations about you without having anything to back it up with - and people wanting you to be punished instantly for it.

 

[Gal]

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[_OC_]

Oc this isn’t a court case, he hasn’t been indicted for anything, this is purely a disciplinary dispute between the main organisation FIGC and Acerbi.

They can fire you, hold back the wage and ban you on no concrete evidence. They don’t need the sort of proof that is necessary in court cases.

What the fuck are you on about? Firstly, the case is now at federal prosecutor level.
Secondly, if Inter chooses to fire Acerbi today without anything being proven, that would straight up be a wrongful termination, and Acerbi would be liable and right to sue. I am 100 certain Inter have an addendum in their contracts that means they can terminate people in case of wrongful doing (image loss, et cetera), but we aren't at a place where that's applicable.

To avoid such a situation, FIGC are talking with the involved parties, including Inter, Napoli, JJ and Acerbi, and are trying to gather a understanding of what happened. That's what an investigation is, and it doesn't matter if it's a criminal case or not. You gather evidence to find out if someone was/is in the wrong before you hand out a punishment. If you don't, what you get isn't justice.

What you (and CC), however, are seemingly clamoring for is immediate punishment without proof - and if you think that's just and fair, just because we aren't talking about a criminal charge with possible repercussions of imprisonment toward Acerbi (who would in any case, in that situation, lose his career and with that income and reputation if found to having said something racist) you are a vile person, and I wish the very worst for you.

The so called innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply there to same degree as it usually dos in court.

In this case victims word generally are weighted higher than that of the offender.

Even if that is correct, that doesn't mean it's right.

 

[IM21]

 

[Glass box]

No personal offense, but this is bullshit statement.
I'm Bulgarian, and in Bulgaria there was never any kind of slavery in the past. So, please don't put everyone in the same basket. If you feel guilty that your ancestors did something wrong to the black people, and you seek for some kind of redemption, act whatever you like. But, don't put all white people as a whole, and don't state that all of them should feel guilty or apologize for something, that only some of their ancestors did.

Some people don't know basic things and this guy you replied to is one of them.

 

[varmin]

Some people don't know basic things and this guy you replied to is one of them.

Please, enlighten the peasants, which are the basics?

 

[Glass box]

Please, enlighten the peasants, which are the basics?

I agreed with you. Gal doesn't even make difference between Eastern & Western Europe that was my point.

 

[Meysam]

I think I've figured out why people here tend to go overboard when it comes to racist stuff.

You know, Europeans and Americans had that whole slavery thing going on for ages, and now they're all feeling guilty and trying to make up for it.

But hey, I'm from Iran, and we never had that kind of history. We didn't colonize anyone, so we don't carry that baggage of shame or guilt.

In short, us Iranians view Africans like any other race or nation. So if someone throws around the 'N' word, it's like a normal insult to us.

And you know what? We're pretty chill about insults too. If someone starts dissing us for our race, language, or whatever, we don't make a big fuss. We just handle it and move on.

 

[IM21]

gds - Acerbi-Juan Jesus case: tomorrow the two footballers will be heard by the federal prosecutor's office.

 

[Gal]

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[CafeCordoba]

So you've ultimately arrived at "believe accusations of racism no matter what, and punish the supposed perpatrator with needing any burden of proof". Completely wild and dangerous precedent - which we're unfortunately already seeing being practised out in the real world already - but alright.

Because I disagree with that notion entirely doesn't mean that I don't care about Juan Jesus' claims, or I don't want them to be investigated, but there's a process here that ensures Acerbi isn't just thrown to the wolves before we know if he did anything worthy of being punished. If it turns out he did, I'd be in favor of him being punished, perhaps even his contract being terminated. Simple as.
That you can't grasp that seems highly surprising and illogcal, coming from an otherwise logical and calculated poster.

Again; I doubt you'd see it this way, if I began throwing out wild accusations about you without having anything to back it up with - and people wanting you to be punished instantly for it.

You need to go back and check what I've written and not confuse it with what others have written. I haven't said Acerbi should be banned or anything like that. I've only speculated what might happen.

Wild accusations here in this case have some backing, the video evidence, the words talked during the match. It's pretty big to just have a belief JJ might have acted the way he did, during the match for a show, out of the blue inventing that okay this guy racially abused me I'm gonna make a scene out of this right now, during the match. And then continue it after the match.

Because that's effectively what you are speculating what if that happened.

Edit. I keep reading your posts and I don't get where are you getting this that I'm looking for immediate punishment. I don't get that part, I haven't said that anywhere.

 

[varmin]

I agreed with you. Gal doesn't even make difference between Eastern & Western Europe that was my point.

Sorry for my salty reply. I misunderstood you.

 

[Materazzi_23]

But hey, I'm from Iran, and we never had that kind of history. We didn't colonize anyone, so we don't carry that baggage of shame or guilt.

You're right. Cyrus the Great and Darius were peace-loving leaders.

 

[Gal]

You're right. Cyrus the Great and Darius were peace-loving leaders.

I’m dead

 

[Gal]

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[BasedGodPunk]

I remember the Cavani IG post a few years ago and United players of all races came out to defend him fairly quickly. The longer no one defends him the more I think he’s probably just a jackass who said something he shouldn’t have.

 

[ADRossi]

Fucking international breaks.