was mostly generalizing the regions of the posters I was seeing in the thread but yes it could be construed as racist as well. My point is that you don't get to define what is racist to someone (Juan Jesus and the investigators in this case).A bunch of random Mediterraneans and Slavs...
See, if you sub it with Asians and Africans, it will sound racist statement to me!
"I will beat you black". That's a cool phrase. I might use it for some people who need a good beat up here.
Fortunately most of them are in my ignore list, so I may not get the chance to use it.
Something different when a latino says it...I remember the Cavani IG post a few years ago and United players of all races came out to defend him fairly quickly. The longer no one defends him the more I think he’s probably just a jackass who said something he shouldn’t have.
It shouldn't be. A word is a word, if you are going to selectively choose when to be offended by it then maybe you are the problem.Something different when a latino says it...
And so he shouldn't, but neither is anyone by the looks of it. Not FIGC, not Inter, not Napoli, not the Federal Prosecutor, not Juan Jesus, not Acerbi who testified. Literally no one is taking this lightly, which would be 'do nothing at all'. What you want is "do something before the investigation is finished", which amounts to "fire Acerbi due to the accusations of Juan Jesus". There is literally no other way to interpret what you're saying.Thuram certainly isn’t taking this lightly at all.
No, actually, they should wait untill the facts have been cleared until they arrive at a decision. Stuff like this takes time for a reason. You're clamoring for immediate mob justice based on feelings and feelings alone which is a dangerous thing.We are rapidly getting to the point where coherence in the team is getting in danger, the longer our board is dragging the decision out the worse it is likely to get, it needs to be dealt with immediately.
Ah yes, "innocent until proven guilty" and "literally no one is saying Acerbi should be fired until we know the facts" has now turned into "it doesn't really matter what Acerbi said". Moronic, transparent hypocrisy that cares more about virtue signalling and taking minorities at their word than fighting actual racism.I just can’t see Acerbi stay, we are just reaching to the point where it almost doesn’t matter what he said. If players like Thuram feel this way, there just isn’t any other alternative then to get rid of Acerbi
So you posted about a subject you said you were done with.I only posted because of Thuram statement, that’s all!
"Made up theories about justice"? It's the entire foundation upon which justice and judication in the west rests, not a made up concept.some made up theories about justice.
Which is ultimately the outcome you crave, which is what I'm arguing against.If Thuram and like minded have already made up their mind, it really doesn’t matter what is up and down, there just isn’t place for Acerbi anymore as the players put a gun to your head, your are at an end where truth no longer matters.
Why are you certain the ref knows? He could have been positioned well away. He will know what JJ & acerbi told him but unless he was close enough he will not have first hand knowledge.Acerbi deserves his side of the story to be heard. If any players in our team have a problem with that, that's their problem, not Acerbi's. There's only three people who know for sure what he said - Acerbi, Jesus, and the referee. Everything else is varying degrees of conjecture. The FIGC is looking into the matter, they'll be the ones who ajudicate this.
That said, I also realize that there will be people who immediately discredit the FIGC in the event that they clear Acerbi of charges. I dunno what else there is to say to people who take that perspective. Not every accusation means you've committed a crime. If Acerbi said something racist and gets away with it, that sucks, but if he's not proven to have said something shameful, with zero outside corroborating evidence suggesting wrongdoing (so, unlike Mason Greenwood, where we have those audio tapes), then his reputation doesn't deserve a permanent smear. Similarly, if he is a racist, you hope he learns to be better from that in the future but he would deserve being sanctioned for that in addition to issuing apologies (privately) to Jesus, Napoli, and our club as well. I don't care for public apologies, they're often PR-mandated bullshit and aimed to people who don't need the apology to begin with.
I agree, hopefully it's your last remark, seeing as you just threw all pretense of any substantial or logical argument for your position out of the window, and instead began on a tirade of philoshopical, post-modern ad nauseam nonsense, instead of backing up your former positions of "Inter should act now before any evidence has been purported or backed up", which you claimed at first wasn't your stance. If you're actually not against someone being punished for something they haven't done so as to appease morons who don't understand that in a just and fair society, you're innocent until proven guilty, then I actually hope and wish that you are yourself somehow accused of something horrible that you didn't do, and that it has real-life, actual consequences for you. Hopefully thrown in jail, actually, seeing as concepts such as "freedom" and "liberty" are just man-made constructions, as I'm sure you're well aware.Yes it is made up like any other thing in our world that isn’t built on natural science. You might agree with such principles, moral, ethics and those the constructions of it, but it is still a man made construction. Those it can definitely be debated as it is not a universal agreed on principle dictated by nature, nature dos not really care about moral right and wrong. This is also why you will see players and people place judgement before because they don’t share that stand. If our players already made up their mind whatever the truth is just no longer matters, Acerbi would never be integrated into the team again, he will be viewed as unwanted.
You can try keeping that moral and ethical ground but it is irrelevant if no one agrees with it.
Also I never wrote only white could be racist, I wrote that depends on how you define it!
It’s not because I’m against the idea of innocent until proven guilty. I’m just pointing out it’s a man made construction, those how you view it entirely rest on your position.
One mans hero is another man’s villain, truth entirely depends on your position from where you view it.
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My last remark … Don’t bother more as we just have our different positions