Frank de Boer

[junior55]

What the fuck does this idiot say in job interviews ffs.
I mean the 1st thing he must be asked is why he failed in 5 consecutive jobs. I think he has never finished a season since leaving Ajax let alone win or compete for titles. How do you defend this track record

 

[Native]

Unfortunately Euro 2020 literally came a year too late for us. How different things might have been if Fuckalona didn't lure Koeman away. I am so glad they haven't fired him yet. If Koeman was free again before this Euro had even started, this would feel so much worse. Koeman rebuilt the team so well and won the Nations League group of death. We all knew all of his work was going to go to waste the instant they announced he'd be succeed by De Boer. The only thing this 'manager' has managed is to completely disappoint an entire nation that was already geared for disappointment. I suppose that is an unique achievement in itself.

De Boer, the coach who completely changed a well functioning system to a 5-3-2 that didn't even make any sense considering the player material. Just because he needs to be special and have his own thing. Ego.

De Boer, the coach who doesn't go back to 4-3-3 after 5-3-2 has failed extensively, only because this would prove that the press and TV analysts were right. He'd rather drag his failed experiment on into the Euros and have us fail hysterically than admit that his special and unique way is bogus. Ego.

De Boer, the coach who would make prime Ronaldo look like a rank amateur. He can't create a good morale in a squad. I can't believe some of you are questioning whether Strama was worse or not. Strama is able to provide some form of motivation, even if it was only temporarily with us, which is one quality more than De Boer has, because he has none. He's the kind of coach who has players underperforming instead of over. It's easy to shit on De Ligt for his mistake, even easier for you than it is for me because to you he's really just that juBentino, but he as well was just designed to be a clueless victim in De Boer's system without a system.

The KNVB is as much at fault here. They just won't learn. The worst coach I've ever seen is actually Danny Blind. He was NT coach less than a year before Koeman took over and saw us miss the 2018 World Cup. Somehow they were still just as naive when replacing Koeman and went for the next worst thing.

God knows why he keeps getting jobs. He has proven to be one of the most ineffective managers ever, time and time again. I am sorry to everyone who wasted their time watching our disgusting performances this Euro. Because I am so ashamed that I feel personally responsible. I guess that's the De Boer effect. I was hoping he'd continue the path Koeman laid out for him so that we could at least have entertained you guys a bit before crashing out, like in 2008. But now it was just... Humiliating and saddening. Terribly sorry.

The only good thing about this is that I had a bet on NL exiting in the round of 8 after a 0-2 loss, which means that I at least got paid because of this shit. Now I just hope Belgium or Italy win the final. Or Switzerland, who have my sympathy vote. Except for that one Swiss guy of course. FCBarca or something. ;-) ;-)

Anyways, De Boer is probably the worst club manager I've ever seen. A very simple ego minded guy who lacks any form of depth. Completely incapable for the job. I'm not even glad that he is gone. There's just a bittersweet feeling of what could and should have been.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

God knows why he keeps getting jobs. He has proven to be one of the most ineffective managers ever, time and time again. I am sorry to everyone who wasted their time watching our disgusting performances this Euro. Because I am so ashamed that I feel personally responsible. I guess that's the De Boer effect.

Haven't laughed this hard in a while

 

[Materazzi_23]

Hi guys,

For a seminar at the Dutch football federation I'm writing an essay about the failure of Dutch coaches abroad and why this is a thing in the last couple of years. (De Boer, Cocu, Koeman, Bosz, Seedorf etc.

Does anyone know if there was some kind if analyze about de Boer and Inter? It's okay if it's in Italian but I try to figure out why '' the Dutch way'' isn't working anymore abroad. And I want to go a little deeper then the usual stuff like he couldn't handle the players or his exercises sucked etc.

Thank you in advance!

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Hi guys,

For a seminar at the Dutch football federation I'm writing an essay about the failure of Dutch coaches abroad and why this is a thing in the last couple of years. (De Boer, Cocu, Koeman, Bosz, Seedorf etc.

Does anyone know if there was some kind if analyze about de Boer and Inter? It's okay if it's in Italian but I try to figure out why '' the Dutch way'' isn't working anymore abroad. And I want to go a little deeper then the usual stuff like he couldn't handle the players or his exercises sucked etc.

Thank you in advance!

Why would you define it a dutch way just because of the coach? Barcelona played the dutch way without a dutch coach and was according to many the best team in the history

 

[Puma]

Hi guys,

For a seminar at the Dutch football federation I'm writing an essay about the failure of Dutch coaches abroad and why this is a thing in the last couple of years. (De Boer, Cocu, Koeman, Bosz, Seedorf etc.

Does anyone know if there was some kind if analyze about de Boer and Inter? It's okay if it's in Italian but I try to figure out why '' the Dutch way'' isn't working anymore abroad. And I want to go a little deeper then the usual stuff like he couldn't handle the players or his exercises sucked etc.

Thank you in advance!

When Johan Cruyff was coaching Barcelona in the early 90s, they were special.

It may be the case that the failings are not of the coaches themselves but of the system they are trying to implement. Maybe the time for the Dutch way of playing football has changed. It could have been generational and may well not have a place in football today. I guess what I am questioning is whether the problem actually lies in the system that is out of date or not transferrable to football today or whether it is down to the methods of Dutch coaches abroad.

The other thought I have is in relation to football culture and mentality. In the Netherlands, Frank de Boer was successful when he coached Ajax. But I feel the club was geared and attuned to him at that time and likewise he with the club. Firstly, because of his history there. Secondly, because the Eredivisie is not the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A or the Bundesliga. The problem is that when he left Ajax and came to Inter, he expected the same kind of environment and the simple fact of the matter is that coaching Ajax in the Netherlands is very different to coaching Inter in Italy. What he did and achieved at the former club was not transferable to the latter.

I do not think that the Eredivisie can be classified as a top European league. It is essentially a feeder league to the rest of Europe with one club that dominates and the rest just making up the numbers. At Ajax, there is an emphasis on youth and youth development. In Italy, the emphasis is on results and coaches prefer to rely on old experienced veterans at the expense of talented young players. Attempting to make changes and replicate what he did in the Netherlands was the beginning of the end of Frank's time in Italy.

 

[brehme1989]

The Dutch system tries to outCruyff Cruyff himself.
Trying to walk with the ball into the net was not the game plan but it has transitioned into this. Cruyff would throw a center back up front and boot crosses in when he was in dire need for a goal, Dutch coaches pretend that this is a sin og some sort.

Essentially there is lack of pragmatism and it is vital.

 

[Kakaroto]

Hi guys,

For a seminar at the Dutch football federation I'm writing an essay about the failure of Dutch coaches abroad and why this is a thing in the last couple of years. (De Boer, Cocu, Koeman, Bosz, Seedorf etc.

Does anyone know if there was some kind if analyze about de Boer and Inter? It's okay if it's in Italian but I try to figure out why '' the Dutch way'' isn't working anymore abroad. And I want to go a little deeper then the usual stuff like he couldn't handle the players or his exercises sucked etc.

Thank you in advance!

I don’t think anybody did any deep dive into his time at Inter since it sucked so much even for the banter era standards. The highlight of his time here was Brozovic wanting to go home at half time. I think he has said some bs about Inter but I don’t think anyone really has studied what went wrong.

 

[Kakaroto]

Aziz Ansari picked up decent Italian and found a fine Italian chick in just 3 months in "Master of None"...as a brown dude!

Fun facts you didn’t expect to find in the Frank De Boer thread for 500.

 

[Conan the Barbarian]

Aziz Ansari can find any gorgeous chick because he's famous and rich. Bitches always fall in love with rich guys. It doesn't matter if you look like a monkey's ass. Look at Ed Sheeran! He's ugly as fuck just like Ansari. But bitches say "he's sooooo cuuuute"

 

[Il Drago]

Hi guys,

For a seminar at the Dutch football federation I'm writing an essay about the failure of Dutch coaches abroad and why this is a thing in the last couple of years. (De Boer, Cocu, Koeman, Bosz, Seedorf etc.

Does anyone know if there was some kind if analyze about de Boer and Inter? It's okay if it's in Italian but I try to figure out why '' the Dutch way'' isn't working anymore abroad. And I want to go a little deeper then the usual stuff like he couldn't handle the players or his exercises sucked etc.

Thank you in advance!

This is a decent article about De Boer time at Inter. I hope it helps.

How Frank de Boer went from Inter Milan’s savior to unemployment in 3 months

Once praised as the next great manager of one of Italy’s biggest clubs, De Boer is out after just 84 days in charge.

www.sbnation.com

 

[Alex de Large]

Aziz Ansari can find any gorgeous chick because he's famous and rich. Bitches always fall in love with rich guys. It doesn't matter if you look like a monkey's ass. Look at Ed Sheeran! He's ugly as fuck just like Ansari. But bitches say "he's sooooo cuuuute"

Like Leo Messi

 

[Materazzi_23]

Why would you define it a dutch way just because of the coach? Barcelona played the dutch way without a dutch coach and was according to many the best team in the history

Yes and no. Yes the ''Dutch way'' or system is being used all over the world. But Dutch coaches who implemented this way are getting sacked every time they go abroad. So I want to find out if this is something which is a problem because of the coaches or just because they aren't good enough? Lately there has been a lot of critism on the courses of the KNVB ( where all the trainer/coaches get their education). Even Sneijder has dropped out because he had an argument about a passing exercise.

So the interesting thing for me is to find out if our education lacks renewal our is our way of coaching not fitted for other countries. I have a feeling that Dutch coaches don't care about the football culture in the country they are going to work, it's just my way or the highway because we think we know it all. The courses are a lot of theory and we Dutch are very good in pretending we know it all and our courses are the best. While German coaches are taking over the world ( a little bit exaggerate but you got my point). Frank de Boer is a special one because he became 4x champions with a shitty squad and went abroad to lose all his credibility in 3 months at Inter and at Palace.

 

[Materazzi_23]

Thanks everyone for replying I can use all the information you guys wrote here.

 

[K.I.]

Yes and no. Yes the ''Dutch way'' or system is being used all over the world. But Dutch coaches who implemented this way are getting sacked every time they go abroad. So I want to find out if this is something which is a problem because of the coaches or just because they aren't good enough? Lately there has been a lot of critism on the courses of the KNVB ( where all the trainer/coaches get their education). Even Sneijder has dropped out because he had an argument about a passing exercise.

So the interesting thing for me is to find out if our education lacks renewal our is our way of coaching not fitted for other countries. I have a feeling that Dutch coaches don't care about the football culture in the country they are going to work, it's just my way or the highway because we think we know it all. The courses are a lot of theory and we Dutch are very good in pretending we know it all and our courses are the best. While German coaches are taking over the world ( a little bit exaggerate but you got my point). Frank de Boer is a special one because he became 4x champions with a shitty squad and went abroad to lose all his credibility in 3 months at Inter and at Palace.

This, you just highlighted the biggest issue.

Coaches have to respect the environment they are stepping in, the players they have and the club. They cant just come on and try and stamp their authority and its this way or ur out.

It has to be a gradual build of u bringing in ur ideas and implement it with whats possible at the moment. De Boer let his ego get in the way, and thats granted when ur Dutch philosophy has been admired all over the world and has been successful but its different when ur in the present moment taking on a new job or sporting role.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Yes and no. Yes the ''Dutch way'' or system is being used all over the world. But Dutch coaches who implemented this way are getting sacked every time they go abroad. So I want to find out if this is something which is a problem because of the coaches or just because they aren't good enough? Lately there has been a lot of critism on the courses of the KNVB ( where all the trainer/coaches get their education). Even Sneijder has dropped out because he had an argument about a passing exercise.

So the interesting thing for me is to find out if our education lacks renewal our is our way of coaching not fitted for other countries. I have a feeling that Dutch coaches don't care about the football culture in the country they are going to work, it's just my way or the highway because we think we know it all. The courses are a lot of theory and we Dutch are very good in pretending we know it all and our courses are the best. While German coaches are taking over the world ( a little bit exaggerate but you got my point). Frank de Boer is a special one because he became 4x champions with a shitty squad and went abroad to lose all his credibility in 3 months at Inter and at Palace.

Would you say Guardiola use the tacticts of a Dutch way? This man plays the same way no matter where he is too but I get your point. Also am I the only one who liked De Boer?

 

[brehme1989]

Would you say Guardiola use the tacticts of a Dutch way? This man plays the same way no matter where he is too but I get your point. Also am I the only one who liked De Boer?

Guardiola/Barcelona way is quite different from the Dutch model, but it has a lot of common ground. The inspiration is the same, but there are things that are different.

Some of them are.

Off the ball movement: Dutch model demands more off the ball movement away from where the ball is played, Catalan* way requires more movement nearer the ball action. Players are far more free in the Dutch model whereas in the Catalan one you have to occupy specific spots. Both require 'triangles' and other shapes to be formed as the ball is played, of course.

Passing direction and quantity in build up: Dutch model is more direct football, try to find the minimum required passes to get into the opposition area, Catalan method has more passes in non-dangerous situations and it follows a passing style that got its style from Handball. Dutch model has more forward passes, whereas Catalan one has more parallel and horizontal ones. The Catalan method tries to find that one vertical pass more often, whereas the Dutch model tries to slice defenses with their passing and player movement.

Shooting: Dutch model, as it is now, does not promote long range shooting, whereas Guardiola is more open to it provided there's a legit scoring chance. They're quite similar here, but it may depend on each manager. I find that devout Dutch managers discourage players from shooting and want a specific type of passing play even in the area in order to make the shot the most efficient one possible. Aragones who pretty much adapted Barcelona's Cruyff ball and created what we now call 'Tiki Taka' didn't want long range shots either, but it's generally more part of the Catalan system.

Ball height: Whether it is crossing, passing or even shooting, the Dutch way urges the ball to maintain its ground floor status. Catalan method doesn't mind crossing and changing play provided it is the best option to gain momentum.

Possession: Catalan method wants possession for the sake of possession. Best defense is to not give the ball to the opposition. Dutch method doesn't care about possession unless their quality of possession is high, it's more about the number of attacks you can create at a high standard. As a result, tempo is higher and defensive lapses are more prevalent.


As for your question, they're typically stubborn like this. They won't change the style no matter what. Cruyff himself wasn't


*For the sake of ease of wording, I think it's safe to call this Catalan as much as Aragones would probably be objecting to this, his surname just screams Catalan

 

[wera]

A bit offtopic: I just remembered Rijkaards Barcelona, that was far from attractive football, which is funny since they didn't want Mourinho there. Good thing they had Ronaldinho and Eto'o.

 

[brehme1989]

A bit offtopic: I just remembered Rijkaards Barcelona, that was far from attractive football, which is funny since they didn't want Mourinho there. Good thing they had Ronaldinho and Eto'o.

Rijkaard wasn't doing much, it was Henk ten Cate coaching. And he's more of a pragmatist than a "Dutch model" coach.
Same guy who made sure some guy called Avram Grant was a CL finalist with Chelsea by the way.

 

[Materazzi_23]

Would you say Guardiola use the tacticts of a Dutch way? This man plays the same way no matter where he is too but I get your point. Also am I the only one who liked De Boer?

I would say Guardiola foundation is the Dutch way but he made it his own and improved it. Guardiola does play the same way but adjust to the country. I've read his biography about his first years at City and he said that he need to reinvented himself in England because the way football is played there. So he need to develop himself and adjust his team tactics so they could win the second ball and uses the half spaces. He needed his whole first year to accept and adjust. Things he didn't need to worry about in Spain and Germany. That told me that no matter how good you are as a coach, you always need to adapt to the style of the country you are in. Something a lot of other coaches are lacking.