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Now that we no longer have Ranocchia and Kolarov, I’m hoping that by some miracle we’re forced to keep both Skriniar and De Vrij, and Bremer replaces the latter next summer.
 

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*Above asking price.

Could have had him locked for 25m back in January and simply exercise it by the beginning of this season.

Same thing with Barella who was locked a month before Marotta had arrived and he wanted to restart discussions and ended up giving Cagliari 8m more...

The asking price drag happened with Lukaku (after initially losing him to Juventus) and Eriksen.


The worst of all was Sabatini with Dalbert, at least Marotta's transfers are for the first team.
Ausilio had him locked at 8m + 4m in bonuses, we stalled and then Sabatini renegotiated at 20+ (think 28m including all add ons and agent fees). Almost paid triple the asking price there... For some reason after Ausilo abandoned when they wanted 20m rather than 12, Sabatini became infatuated with the kid and wanted him at all costs.


The main problem with Marotta is his selling, where apart from Lukaku he did not get the maximum value but mostly had to settle way below value, or cutting up the value himself, or terminating deals. This is what he was hired to do. Buying was never his strong suit.

My favorite case study is Gabriel Barbosa. Flamengo has him on loan and comes with a 18m offer. Marotta says no, give me 20+. Flamengo says I can give you 18m. Marotta drags this for 1 month, Inter ends up paying his January salary without him even stepping a foot here and then proceeds to sell him for whatever Flamengo was initially offering, costing Inter around 600k or whatever his monthly gross salary is.
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Considering Bastoni hasn't played a single minute for our primavera we can't really claim him as our own. He's an Atalanta youth product.
Depends on how you want to see it.
Considering Bastoni hasn't played a single minute for our primavera we can't really claim him as our own. He's an Atalanta youth product.
Who paid his wages...
Depend on how you want to see it. I see him as our product as we had control of the rights. Can disagree if you like as it can be seen from both points of view.
 

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Do you realize that we're on the 16th of July and we still haven't closed a deal that was settled with the player before the 26th of December?
How long does it take to reach a deal with a player who has 18 months left in his contract and wants to join you?
I was joking about this early too, but settling the player means nothing more, that you have a little more negotiating power. Maldini had also settled Botman, but at the end they didn't raise their offer, and the player has changed his mind and went to Newcastle. The only reason why Bremer hasn't already been sold (for more than 35 mln), it's precisely due to the fact, that Marotta have an agreement with him.
You're talking about the current situation which is Marotta's fault as if this was the entire gameboard the entire time. It was not. Adjust your spectrum please and realize that we're not playing a video game which has fixed parameters here. I don't care if Cairo says he wants 70 or 80 million. I know he was settling for 30m and we didn't pull the trigger. It's entirely on Marotta if he has to spend 35-40m now.
When you are speaking about fixed parameters, recall that you are the person which states, we could have had him for 25 mln, not me. And exactly because the market is dynamic, you have to adjust to it accordingly. Maybe it's true that Marotta could have wrapped it up at the beginning of the merkato for 30 mln, maybe not. But let hypothetically assume it was true, but Marotta passed, due to the interest to Bremer was aboard, and the player gave his word to Inter, and want to stay in Italy, and because Marotta maybe thought he can reduce the demanded fee more. At that time, De Ligt was about to pen new contract to jube. The situation has been changed recently, and most probably Marotta deems that jube can go hard on Bremer, and the player to change his mind in favor of them. This is the moment where we have to choose - act now and close the deal, although the price could be a bit higher, or wait and hope the player to keep his word. Obviously, our management picked the first option up.
 

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@varmin the point is that they always take the option to delay the moves. Delaying hasn't worked for us.

We got a good deal with Sensi because we literally closed it within two days. (His medical and fitness situation are irrelevant here).

We overpaid or paid market value for almost everything else.
And we only sold Lukaku above market value because we took advantage of Chelsea's urgency and stupidity. Everything else was mishandled from a transfer perspective.

We tried to sell Skriniar many times, Bastoni this year (we rejected a City offer last summer) and generally lowered our assets' value rather than increase it or at least maintain it!

There are so many question marks and very few things to be content about this management style. You can argue about the success but Suning threw 500m into this thing, most of which we didn't even have, in the last 3 years and the club is paying for it now.

We hadn't spent 500m in the 10 seasons prior to 2016 and even under the new policy of Moratti we were still one of the top spenders. We probably spent more in 2019 than we did in the entirety of 2010-18.
 

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Not happy about the inclusion of Casadei into this deal. At least I hope there'll be a buy back option if it happens.
I dont see a chance there isn't one. Marotta and Ausilio aren't idiots.
 

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Depends on how you want to see it.

Who paid his wages...
Depend on how you want to see it. I see him as our product as we had control of the rights. Can disagree if you like as it can be seen from both points of view.
LOL come on Stefan this is just stupid shit.

"Youth player" or "youth product" means you developed them (trained / coached / taught / mentored them) in your academy and I will accept zero other interpretation. As Drago said, Bastoni did not train let alone play for our primavera at any point in his life. Who gives a fuck if we paid his wages :lol: He is an Atalanta youth product through and through.
 

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@varmin the point is that they always take the option to delay the moves. Delaying hasn't worked for us.

We got a good deal with Sensi because we literally closed it within two days. (His medical and fitness situation are irrelevant here).

We overpaid or paid market value for almost everything else.
And we only sold Lukaku above market value because we took advantage of Chelsea's urgency and stupidity. Everything else was mishandled from a transfer perspective.

We tried to sell Skriniar many times, Bastoni this year (we rejected a City offer last summer) and generally lowered our assets' value rather than increase it or at least maintain it!

There are so many question marks and very few things to be content about this management style. You can argue about the success but Suning threw 500m into this thing, most of which we didn't even have, in the last 3 years and the club is paying for it now.

We hadn't spent 500m in the 10 seasons prior to 2016 and even under the new policy of Moratti we were still one of the top spenders. We probably spent more in 2019 than we did in the entirety of 2010-18.
I'm not agreed that the management tends to delay the transfers, at least not all of them. In the Lukaku's and Eriksen's cases, the delay was a fact, and it wasn't successful as they couldn't reduce the price tag. Hakimi was a very fast deal, and despite the quality of the player, some people here still thought that we overpaid for him. If you count all parameters, Sensi wasn't a good deal at all.
I personally don't care if the deal is delayed or not, the most important is to be successful. With Marotta at the club, we reduced the number of shitters brought in to a minimum. Apart from Lazaro, all of his other moves were good more or less, some were excellent. Even the controversial transfers of Vidal and Eriksen had more positives than negatives, at least for me.
And Suning didn't spend 500 mln on Marotta's ass only. They got us Nainggolan ( losing Zanilo in the proccess), Dalbert, Candreva, Vecino, JM, Gagliarshiti and Gabriel Barbosa. For all of these craps they wasted around 170 mln, and if you count that Zaniolo is 40 mln player, it's already 210 mln.
With Marotta we spent 120 mln on Lukaku and Hakimi, and sold them for 190 mln. Barella cost us 40 mln, and now we can easily sell him for 60 mln at least. Dumfires raised his value as well. Lazaro is a bust. Sensi as well, despite the fact that he is actually a good player. I don't count Eriksen at all, cuz that shit could happen to everybody, there is no guarantee about it. Young, Moses, Biraghi, Godin, Sanchez, Dzeko, Vidal, Darmian, Kolarov and Hakan came for free or on loan (or with very low transfer fee). Except Kolarov and in some stretch Godin and Vidal, all were from useful to very good (Hakan and Darmian).
 

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Fair points and I see the reasoning.

But Zaniolo was not a 40m player just like Carboni isn't one either. He was a primavera player that no one gave a chance to. Not us and not Fiorentina a year earlier.

The quick deals we made were Sensi, Hakimi and Gosens. Everything else took a lot of time and we ended up paying more or what was asked before the very long time started ticking. That's where the discussion is. We lost some targets due to this bad timing. Whether for the best or not, time will tell even if there's no guarantee they'd be the same at Inter.

Guys like Bremer and Dybala who I expect to come should already be training with the rest of them.
We missed out on Scamacca (at least it's for Lukaku and not for Zapata), we missed out in Frattesi, we missed out on several others due to this style of negotiations. It doesn't look ideal and I get that you only care about who's ending up here, but this costs money and we're going to lose Barella/Skriniar/Bastoni because of these mistakes on top of Marotta's eagerness to sell a top player over getting to replace a couple of lineup fillers.

You could argue that it's best to get a bunch of money from a top player sale, replace him with a good prospect for 1/2 of the money and get a decent bench player rather than sell a guy like Dumfries whose 1/2 of the sales cannot guarantee that a starting calibre player can arrive. But do this for 2-3 years and you're back to Banter era and the Dumfries type of players you kept along will now be your best players.
 

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In the big picture under Marotta I think we have made progress as a club. When he came this club was a big mess after Kia Joorabchian, Sabatini and with all the bad coaches we had and we had lost controll to people like Mauro, Wanda, Radja…

As I see it, we are linked and have gotten good players in under him and we fight for another scudetto. But of course Marotta is not perfect and he makes some mistakes like every human, so everything is not perfect, but it never is.

But yes in the big picture we have now good coach, with good bunch of players with good mood/atmosphere in the club. Most important thing is we have winning mentality back in the club and for that I will give gredit to Marotta.
 

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In the big picture under Marotta I think we have made progress as a club. When he came this club was a big mess after Kia Joorabchian, Sabatini and with all the bad coaches we had and we had lost controll to people like Mauro, Wanda, Radja…

As I see it, we are linked and have gotten good players in under him and we fight for another scudetto. But of course Marotta is not perfect and he makes some mistakes like every human, so everything is not perfect, but it never is.

But yes in the big picture we have now good coach, with good bunch of players with good mood/atmosphere in the club. Most important thing is we have winning mentality back in the club and for that I will give gredit to Marotta.

Well, we had Luka Modric begging his chairman to release him to join Inter in the summer before Marotta arrived (because Inter didn't offer more than 15m ffs...)

Alexis Sanchez was almost an Inter player in 2017 (from Arsenal) but we blocked ourselves from the deal.

Vidal in 2018 was better than Vidal in 2020 and he'd be an Inter player.


It's not that we couldn't get good players or didn't attract them. We set obstacles to ourselves more often than not. And Marotta only had one such summer and one winter thus far (both 2021 in calendar year) and decided twice to not interfere much in the winter market (first in 2019, then in 2022 which cost us the Scudetto).
 

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Fair points and I see the reasoning.

But Zaniolo was not a 40m player just like Carboni isn't one either. He was a primavera player that no one gave a chance to. Not us and not Fiorentina a year earlier.

The quick deals we made were Sensi, Hakimi and Gosens. Everything else took a lot of time and we ended up paying more or what was asked before the very long time started ticking. That's where the discussion is. We lost some targets due to this bad timing. Whether for the best or not, time will tell even if there's no guarantee they'd be the same at Inter.

Guys like Bremer and Dybala who I expect to come should already be training with the rest of them.
We missed out on Scamacca (at least it's for Lukaku and not for Zapata), we missed out in Frattesi, we missed out on several others due to this style of negotiations. It doesn't look ideal and I get that you only care about who's ending up here, but this costs money and we're going to lose Barella/Skriniar/Bastoni because of these mistakes on top of Marotta's eagerness to sell a top player over getting to replace a couple of lineup fillers.

You could argue that it's best to get a bunch of money from a top player sale, replace him with a good prospect for 1/2 of the money and get a decent bench player rather than sell a guy like Dumfries whose 1/2 of the sales cannot guarantee that a starting calibre player can arrive. But do this for 2-3 years and you're back to Banter era and the Dumfries type of players you kept along will now be your best players.
Zaniolo wasn't a 40 mln player, it's true, but it's fact that he made his breakthrough just when we traded him for an old drunker. Which means, that he was ready, only waiting for a chance to grasp. And Inter (more like Spalletti) never gave him that chance.

About Dybala - the decision to wait here was beneficial for us, actually. His agent obviously wanted big check (around 10 mln) and 6 mln salary at the beginning of negotiations. If you remember, he declined first, the proposal of Marotta 5+1 mln (if he plays more than 50% of matches), and when he finally agreed, it was too late as Lukaku was here. Personally for me, this is better solution as i prefer Lukaku than Dybala, if we can choose only one of them. I said my point about Bremer. Marotta decided to play the same game as Dybala's, but with jube coming, he was affraid that may miss out Bremer, and he has chosen to close the deal now.
I don't think we missed Frattesi and Scammacca. My understanding is that during the winter window, the media just leaked what Marotta really offered. 15 mln for Frattesi and 25 or 35 (included a youngster) for Scammacca. There were no indications that Sassuolo had agreed such a price for their starlets, and we see now that Scammacca is close to EPL for 40+ mln, and Frattesi will be sold most probably for more than 15 mln.

If you want to discuss the Marotta's mistakes, for me this is not a delaying of transfers, but rewarding a fat contracts the free agents. Sanchez - 4 years, Vidal - obviously 3 years. I won't be surprised if i wake up tomorrow and see that Dzeko's deal is actually 3 years as well, with some weird option included. The another one is his reaction upon Lukaku's sale. Chelsea proposed cash + a player included (rumors about Tammy or Bremer), but Marotta opted only for money. Then we got fucking Correa for 30 mln and 3 mln salary? Come on man! I know that it was a emergency situation, but for a person with his reputation, it was a poor call. Now the same situation is about to repeat. Psg offered cash + a player, and our valuation was firm at 80 mln. I don't advocate to Draxler, cuz he is not needed here, but we could get some other player + 55-60 mln. Instead now, we'll decrease our valuation to 65 mln, or which is worst 60 + some shitty bonuses, which is kind a ridiculous.


Modric has never had an intention to come at Inter. He and his agent, used us to get a better contract extension with Real M.
 

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Well, we had Luka Modric begging his chairman to release him to join Inter in the summer before Marotta arrived (because Inter didn't offer more than 15m ffs...)

Alexis Sanchez was almost an Inter player in 2017 (from Arsenal) but we blocked ourselves from the deal.

Vidal in 2018 was better than Vidal in 2020 and he'd be an Inter player.


It's not that we couldn't get good players or didn't attract them. We set obstacles to ourselves more often than not. And Marotta only had one such summer and one winter thus far (both 2021 in calendar year) and decided twice to not interfere much in the winter market (first in 2019, then in 2022 which cost us the Scudetto).
There are many strories that media claims and some stories might actually be true? Who knows? Many times these transfer lags or don’t go trough cause clubs can’t get rid of some of the players and these negotions are hard and many parties are involved. Also agent fees usually are forgotten to calculate in or are obstacle to transfer to go trough?

But I think there is always lot of hard decisions for a CEO to make and he has to look at the big picture, what coach want, what team need, what owners want, what media write… I don’t think his job is easy and he needs to balance with players/agents, coach, scouts, other managment, media and owners…

As I wrote we have made progress as a club/team and we have now harmony at the club, under Marotta guidance.
 

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Anyway, back to Bremer!

I think it would be good if we could pull another Gosens deal and push that payment for some distant merecato? Maybe it would give us change to keep Skriniar and make more other deals? Any chance… no :lol:
 

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Anyway, back to Bremer!

I think it would be good if we could pull another Gosens deal and push that payment for some distant merecato? Maybe it would give us change to keep Skriniar and make more other deals? Any chance… no :lol:
Probably not. If Suning are mandating 60M of net income for this fiscal year, players sales are the more important component than player purchases.
 

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Yeah, I was thinking we would have more time to balance our books and more time to see if we can offload some other players like Gags, De Vrij, Dumfries, Dimarco, Radu, Pirola or Satriano at end of this merecato, january or start of the next summer? We can also increase our revenue like that new Nike deal, but we need more time.
 
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