Inter - Siena (11 Apr 12)

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What the heck is with your attitude? I'm merely pointing out the obvious fact that despite being the dominant team on paper, our performance today really wasn't THAT good, and our two goals were lucky (how can you possibly think they were not?). I too am happy about the 3 points but if you think we will march on from this victory and claim the 3rd spot easily by playing like this then you get another thing coming.

Well yes, but today what we need is point and luck not performance whatsoever, I really love to see Inter bossing every game, but who cares if we don't win!? We just have 6 games in our hand, and I can't imagine UCL without Internazionale, so I'm enjoying every win whether we play nicely or badly..
Well am not questioning your loyalty, I believe everyone in this forum is a diehard Inter fan, am just responding your post mate... nothing more... :eek:blivious:
 

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Ricky getting subbed was ok in today's game but Stankovic/Cambiasso playing full games is interesting. Hopefully, we will get to see more of Guarin slowly. I wonder what is gonna happen once Sneijder comes back, AGAIN !!

:)

Sneijder coming back could mean Guarin/Poli/Obi having permanent bench roles.:eek:kay:
I don't see Stramaccioni dropping either Cambiasso or Stankovic from the starting XI.
 

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Could anyone tell me did we some point change to 4-2-3-1 , It looked liked Obi played beside Deki and Cambiaso moves up with zarate and Alvarez, as well i could be wrong
 

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Yes. however the game plan forced Alvarez to go deep in the middle to get involved more in play since Strama insisted on attacking from Zarate-Obi`s side. so Cambiasso had to go upfront and Alvarez looked like an AM. the game`s situation forced this tactic since Siena is a weak team and played most of the time in their half. that`s why a player with more attacking techniques could have been more useful for one of our DMs, which preferely would be a sub for Deki. but then Obi got an injury, and Poli came in where he should be brought in for either Deki or Cambiasso. so cant blam Strama here. However, th Pazzini sub was so uncalled for.

Anyway, 3 pts. and only 6 pts from CL spot. nothing is impossible.
 

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Yes we have created 5-6 chances, but the finishing (bar Milito's) has been so appalling you might think if it weren't for the two lucky goals (at least just as lucky as Samuel's blunder) Mannini gifted us we probably wouldn't have scored at all. 'undeserved' is probably too harsh but we were definitely lucky here today.

I think what you fail to realize is that you create your own luck........Nagatomo forced Mannini to foul him by his aggressive and hard working play. Its not luck that Mannini fouled him it was his inept playing that Nagatomo took advantage of.

A lucky play would be Stankovic taking a shot 50 yards out and it being deflected by a bird that flew down at that exact moment and it slid past the goalie.


Opportunities are created by hard working players on the field and taking risks that end up panning out. Don't diminish this win by calling it lucky
 

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If we'd be capable of beating Udinese, Lazio and Milan all, then the CL dream would be on.

But have to wait until the end of the Udinese game to make any claims to be honest.

The result against Cagliari made it difficult for us and the fact that Lazio and Napoli didn't draw even more so. We could've afforded one bad result in final 9 of Strama, but the fact that it came against Cagliari is far from ideal.
 

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Inter played very well. Zarate and Zanetti were standouts to me. Alvarez and Obi didn't play so well. I was very impressed by the way we played. I am slightly confused on the people who say we didn't play well. I wish I had a stat sheet, Inter had around 75% possesion, 9-10 corner kicks, and about 10 shots.. Not sure how you could do much better aside from putting 1-2 more of those shots in the goal.
 

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if we play like this udinese will beat us and we will go back to these players are passed their prime and we need to reload. i want inter t will but lets at least stay on the point. people here blamed moratti for not buying nobody in january because we were winning. now 2w in 3 games and again zanneti is the world class millito is back to his best blah blah blah. lets see the talk here after lazion udine and milan it will go like this lets sell everybody
 

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Inter played very well. Zarate and Zanetti where standouts to me. Alvarez and Obi didn't play so well. I was very impressed by the way we played. I am slightly confused on the people who say we didn't play well. I wish I had a stat sheet, Inter had around 75% possesion, 9-10 corner kicks, and about 10 shots.. Not sure how you could do much better aside from putting 1-2 more of those shots in the goal.

Spot on. I dont understand what some of us ( fans ) expect. I see this match as one of the best game imo
 

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We've conceded 7 goals as well.

To be honest mate i couldn't give 2 shiny shites how many goals we've conceded. Whether we beat Genoa 5-4 or Siena 2-1, it's only points I'm bothered about. This is desperate times. We can let in 6 goals in as long as we score 7. I just want us to at least get Europa League next season. Yes our defensive record in the last few games has been poor, but it hasn't been great all season, or last season. Got to give the new coach credit as it's his first senior job with a poor squad in a poor run of form and staying undefeated in his first 3 and getting us 7 points. Excellent start
 

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Strama is doing what he must be doing.. not fucking losing.

Yes ofcourse he should have played with Gurain-Poli-Obi-Faraoni and everything or what-fuckin-ever, but let`s not get so excited, every step at a time.. alhough I hate to see Chivu playing, and also Deki playing while promising talents like Poli/Obi on the bench. and I hate to obsevre one of the best DMs in the world having to play as a FW most of the match time. :palm:

We should have sold Deki and Chivu last summer, and they should be sold this summer. It`s that simple.

Oh.. I beg you, Would you please stop the bullshit about the "Old Guards"? Deki and Chivu are the only old players that we should get ride of, and maybe Pazzini as well. however, our oldest Guard is clearly indispensable, and also Cambiasso still has 2-3 more years however and obviously AS A DM, Lucio and Samuel can still rotate in defence. and Since Maicon seems to be leaving so Faraoni or God knows which baby we will sign can start playing as fullback.

We cant just sell players cause they are "older than 31" and we cant just field our primavera just for the only sake of the word "change". this is complete bullshit, and people should stop generalizing. cause not ALL of our youngsters good enough, and not ALL of our old players crap.

I hope people in charge of our rebuild process won't think like that, basically what I am reading from what you say is that the only problems in our team where we've conceeded 7 goals in last 3 games are Chivu and Stankovic (ignoring attacking players here since they don't play that big part in defensive phase) and replacing them is magically gonna make us solid in defence.

We need someone who can challenge Cambiasso for the DM spot and possibly put him on bench as rotation player next season, Lucio-Samuel as centre-backs seems like an absolute no-no. I can guarantee if we fail to get young, quality blood in to challenge them and be capable of taking their spot, then our team will be fucking horrendous in defence one again, full of errors, full of space for opponents.

Maybe I'm overly dramatic, but smart thing here is to get some very good analysts in, who have no personal connection with the team, and give them the sole task of identifying just how good those old players actually are. I think many of our judgement of them is far too blind in believing their abilities and maybe mine goes far too much into the other side. Hence, independant, non-Interista analysis is necessary.

Who is even asking to field Primavera players? Something as basic as use Guarin, Poli and Obi is what I want, maybe Juan and Rano in defence (because the old guard is hardly showing themselves to be reliable) and if anyone from Primavera, then Bessa more than deserves a shot once he is fit and he could add a lot to our team which at the moment has no alternatives in attack.

We might've collected 7 points in last 3 games, but those are hardly performances to be convinced of. Strama has pretty much taken the stance that this team cannot defend so we'll rather score more goals than opponent and hope that it works in the final games of the season.
 

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It looks good at table napoli lost today as well Udenise this is good now next match we have to win and to be honest if we get 3rd it will be great but i dont think it will be easy. But what i am sure of we will at list get Euro leag spot for sure

And milito is on fire. Everyone is talking about Messi, but Milito does 10 times more for inter then what messi does for Barcelona.

come on, my friend, dont talk bullshit. stay realistic. Milito is our hero, but you cant say he is better than messi....
 

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To be honest mate i couldn't give 2 shiny shites how many goals we've conceded. Whether we beat Genoa 5-4 or Siena 2-1, it's only points I'm bothered about. This is desperate times. We can let in 6 goals in as long as we score 7. I just want us to at least get Europa League next season. Yes our defensive record in the last few games has been poor, but it hasn't been great all season, or last season. Got to give the new coach credit as it's his first senior job with a poor squad in a poor run of form and staying undefeated in his first 3 and getting us 7 points. Excellent start
It doesn't bother you that we've played 3 teams in the bottom half of the table and conceded 7 goals? Shit gets real now.. we play real teams from now on.. you really think we've gonna beat Lazio, Udinese or Milan via lucky goals like we did today?
 

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Should or Should not, we let Zarate go after this season?

Dillema...
 

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Should or Should not, we let Zarate go after this season?

Dillema...

If Zarate can play like he did today on a consistent basis there is no way in fucking hell we should sell him.. The issue was fucking Ranieri.... Strama plays Zarate on the wing where he can be effective. Ranieri didn't even play Zarate. Its very obvious when a player play of position. They do not play themselves and Ranieri played almost all our players out of position.
 

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Everyone stop this nonsense. The spirit of inter is so broker right now " even taking deki out will brake even more.

Some players think this inter is lost forever but its not they have caused this ( old players are falling out ), but what i know even fucking Deki gives all( dont call me deki fan). For some reason Deki played well. the way we play now is controling the ball insted of using defense minded game that JM used.

This is Stramm he uses deki for deliver the ball up field ( thats why Cambiaso is up there to make sure to cover the space for Stanko. )

I see this as a good match, This was the best game for stramm imo.

Zarate plays for the team FFS its not easy to change the team for one day.

Get Real this is FM OR FIFA 2012, this is real life and it takes time to recover from shock season.

After all they are human ( only JZ is from anyther galaxy )

I agree completly. Good statement.

Finally Inter is trying to create the game and not only demolish it as in the last three months. Today I could see some improvement in ball posession / ball control and there was finally a point in our construction of the game. Yes, we are far from good, but if I compare this to what I saw in the last three months, the difference is there for all to see. We played against on of the most tactically disciplined teams in serie A right now, a team whose main weapon is an agressive deconstruction of the game with lightning fast counter-attacks (which were by the way our weakest point in our last three months!!!) and we won. You could see, that our boys now at least know what is their job, where should they move and how should they play or where to send the ball.

Having said that, I think getting 3. place is nearly impossible because we do not have the freshness to achieve that right now. I do not put my hopes in that very much as in to Stramaccioni - I really hope this guy stays with us for next season, because he regenerated the team mentally - I cannot remember the last time we played like we did today between 50' and 70', I cannot remember when I saw this will to fight for the balls, the wish to attack (even after we scored the penalty, we still were attacking - tell me the last game that you saw that? I would really have to look...) and the strength to always try to play the ball - not only long balls, but short passes. I agree it's not the strongest opponent and that our play was not smooth or fast as it would need to be, but with what players he has and the situation we're in, this guy surely did something to get 7 points in three matches (Ranieri got 6 points in the last 10 matches... just for comparison)

My votes:

Julio Cesar - no work, no vote
Zanetti 8 - Perfect! It just shows to everyone who was still doubting, that he should never ever again play anywhere else then on the right/left back position and especially not in the midfield.
Lucio 6 - A little better than in the last matches, but still not the best Lucio
Samuel 6 - Between the 5,5 for the goal and the 6,5 for stopping awesomely the action where there was 2 to 1.
Chivu 6 - Solid as left back and center back
Nagatomo 6.5 - Brought thre freshness and showed the difference between a defensive leftback and an offensive one. Brought the pressure offensively and finally gave more space to Zarate to work his magic.
Obi 7 - He's getting better and better. He's growing fast as Poli (who's having a rest now) did before. He improved his ball control very much.
Poli 6 - Did not shine, but still good. Played for too short of a time to get a better vote.
Cambiasso 6 - Solid game, willful, propositive but still lacking the explosivness and movement, because the younger opponents just outrun him sometimes.
Stankovic 6.5 - Today he was connecting the game faboulously, he was dropping long balls all over the pitch, but It must be said that after 30 minutes per half he becomes static and starts to play from a static position. Probably breathing through gills even now in the dressing room. ;-)
Zarate 6 - Good game, getting better. Some good and some bad moves.
Alvarez 6 - A really good player who knows how to play ball and as soon as he moves into the center gets really dangerous, especially with one-touch play and long shots BUT... he should never play on any wing position, ever. He's just too slow for that and practically all his best abilities are the direct opposite of the ones needed to play as a winger forward. He can become a really good player, but should play as far from the out line as possible.
Milito 7 - Every balls sent to him is his. He does not lose any ball, backheel passes, passes in the deep, dribbling, explosivness... okay, 3 clear chances blown away, but 2 goals - and that's what's his main job. El Principe is definitely our best striker!

Stramaccioni 8 - As against Genoa he got all the decisions right.
-He was right to play Alvarez instead of the useless Forlan (even If I hate to see the Argentine on that position, he was more useful there then the Uruguayan, who's even less right for that position).
-He was right to start with Obi
-He was right to move Chivu to CB and insert Nagatomo on LB (who then got us the penalty). Chivu then controlled easily Destro and Brienza who became docile puppies - and here I say again that Lucio and Samuel SHOULD NOT PLAY TOGETHER EVER AGAIN: they are both slow and if we do not want to play bunker defending, catenaccio style (which is the only thing they could play well together) and we want to play offensively, than we need a player that can run faster than these guys. I'm sorry, but the both are too slow to play with a so offensively positioned defensive line where everybody outruns them (Destro was going past them every time practically).
-He is right to insist on Zarate who gives us width in our playstyle and gives us more offensive possibilites. The guy is getting more confident from game to game and now I can even watch him the whole game without cussing him every time he touches the ball.
-He was right to give rest to Guarin since we'll need a pitbull against Udinese in our midfield if we want to dream about a possibility to get some points in that match.

I don't know, maybe I'm just really impressed with the (small, but really clear) improvements that Strama brought, but I really want to see the glass half-full today. I see that the team is slowly evolving into something with a sense.
 

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Should or Should not, we let Zarate go after this season?

Dillema...

Its like " TO BE OR NOT TO BE " that is the question.

AS some did say if Stramm stays as coach he will stay, as we will offload Pandev, but to be honest this season have been so fucked up, as well the last 3 games he have done a lot more then all season.

Some do hate him a lot, but i can say this, for the past 3 games Zarate have scored one goal and made assist from 3 games and that is not bad, for a person who have been the worth player.
 

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people complain, people argue...

let's just lean back for a moment and enjoy that we've won :eek:blivious:
 

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Its like " TO BE OR NOT TO BE " that is the question.

AS some did say if Stramm stays as coach he will stay, as we will offload Pandev, but to be honest this season have been so fucked up, as well the last 3 games he have done a lot more then all season.

Some do hate him a lot, but i can say this, for the past 3 games Zarate have scored one goal and made assist from 3 games and that is not bad, for a person who have been the worth player.

Maybe we should send back Forlan to Atletico?
Keeping Zarate would be a good choice for the formation that used by Stramala, 6 more games and we can evaluate does Zarate worth the first team for next season or not?

Though i'm still hoping that Stramala will add primavera players to the first team like Livaja for the next season.
Not as a benchwarmer though...
 

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Don't just concentrate on the last 3 games, concentrate on the last 2 seasons, nothing has changed much defensivley, we was poor defensively last season and we have been poor defensively this season. You talk about bottom teams....we have lost to Novara.....TWICE!! and Lecce if my memory serves me well. Of course it bothers me, it kills me to see Inter like this. But lets be realistic, we have Ranocchia with the turning circle of a truck, Samuel and Lucio who are past there best (still have something to offer next season though, rotation), a 5ft 6 japanese wingback, Lazy maicon and liability chivu. What do we expect? An air tight defense? lol. Like i said I'm just happy with the points, i think from looking at the last 50-60 games that it's inevitable that were going to conceed quite a few more before the end of the season. But i just hope that we create more than we let in, like today.
 
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