Inter's appeal in the transfer market

[ataturk5]

Can you honestly say Pennant is better than Quaresma? seriously...

Maldini in 07 final was still a class act,pennant ripped him to bits,he's underused by rafa because he can be a "problem" off the pitch,JM would sort him out,rafa just bins them,so yes,i think quaresma is overhyped with no end result,as shown by his performances in prem,dont fall into the "hype" trap, also as i stated pennant is free,so yes i would "still" have pennant at lpool ,quaresma is overated,thats why he's failed at inter AND chelsea.

 

[Handoyo]

Ata, pretty sure that it wasn't Maldini that pennant "ripped to bits." I think it was Serginho or Jankulovski, can't remember.

 

[ataturk5]

Ata, pretty sure that it wasn't Maldini that pennant "ripped to bits." I think it was Serginho or Jankulovski, can't remember.

Your right han,my mistake,just when leftback and milan come in my head it automatically says maldini! jankulovski is correct,maldini ch, anyway all im saying is pennant is underated and "free",i would keep him if it was up to me.

 

[Handoyo]

And I'd like to add another thing:

Adriano + Balotelli + Pennant = Italian media orgasm

 

[Handoyo]

I'd like to add some more things, with regards to our contender status for the CL trophy.

I believe there are 2 ways to be considered as a CL contender. 1) You have to have the "European pedigree" that some has spoken about, that experience of getting results in past CL tournaments and 2) You are also considered a contender if you do well in your own domestic league.

And for fuck's sake, we have been dominating Serie A for 2 3/4 of seasons now and only the most fucking pessimistic or attention-seeking fan would deny that. It doesn't matter if we have a poor European record. When Juventus were dominating the Serie A but never won the CL since 96 or 97 and they were always considered as the contenders.

Chelsea in 04/05 and 05/06, who were dominating their leagues but never had a good European record, they were considered contenders because of the way they ruled over EPL.

And it doesn't always take "European pedigree" to win the Champions League. Milan were in a dire state before they won the 02/03 title. Porto had nothing whatsoever when they won it in 03/04. Liverpool came out of bloody nowhere to win it in 04/05. Barcelona did poorly in CL past seasons before they win it in 05/06.

So to say that we do not deserve to be called a CL contender is just some ploy to gain publicity for being a badass or something. It'd be stupid to say we're the favorites but it would be equally stupid to deny that we do not have the quality to win it.

 

[Handoyo]

Oh, and another thing, Spain in Euro 2008. Perennial underachievers, perennial laugh stock of Europe. France in 1998, only one Euro with Platini in it, against all odds they did it. Greece in 2004. Italy won in 2006 after 2 decades (I think?) of trophy drought. Denmark in 1996.

Bottom line is, as much as "European pedigree" or experience matters, to write us off completely because our lack of it is just a load of bollocks.

 

[Azzkikr]

The difference is that Juventus didnt choke out in the first knockoutstage every single time like we do.

And i dont why its stupid to say we dont have quality to win it. Our squad is simply not strong enough, there would have to be a massive amount of circumstances go in our favour for us to be a contender.

And Denmark won in 92, for the record, Germany robbed the czech's in 96.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Oh, and another thing, Spain in Euro 2008. Perennial underachievers, perennial laugh stock of Europe. France in 1998, only one Euro with Platini in it, against all odds they did it. Greece in 2004. Italy won in 2006 after 2 decades (I think?) of trophy drought. Denmark in 1996.

Bottom line is, as much as "European pedigree" or experience matters, to write us off completely because our lack of it is just a load of bollocks.

I know what you are seeking for. But national competitions are totally different thing. They are played every two years (or four if you are Brazil or Argentina) and they are played in the summer. It's just a short stint with different players compared to your club teammates outside the normal domestic season.

I wouldn't compare EC or WC with CL at all. Success in those tournaments aren't as related in previous tournaments than in CL (which happens every year).

Okay, Inter can next year be in semis and start the success there, but NOW Inter doesn't have European pedigree.

 

[Handoyo]

And i dont why its stupid to say we dont have quality to win it. Our squad is simply not strong enough, there would have to be a massive amount of circumstances go in our favour for us to be a contender.

It's not stupid to say we are not the strongest contender. It's stupid to say :howler:-no-chance-at-all-I'm-emo-we-zero-chance-:howler:

I know what you are seeking for. But national competitions are totally different thing. They are played every two years (or four if you are Brazil or Argentina) and they are played in the summer. It's just a short stint with different players compared to your club teammates outside the normal domestic season.

I wouldn't compare EC or WC with CL at all. Success in those tournaments aren't as related in previous tournaments than in CL (which happens every year).

Okay, Inter can next year be in semis and start the success there, but NOW Inter doesn't have European pedigree.

I understand, but "pedigree" or "experience" in those short competitions are also a factor and we just need to take a look at Germany for some examples.

But all I'm saying is, even though we lack those 2 things like teams like Lpool & Milan have, it does not automatically mean that we lack appeal in the transfer market nor do we have zero chance for winning the CL.

 

[shahz_nerazzurri]

Chelsea in 04/05 and 05/06, who were dominating their leagues but never had a good European record, they were considered contenders because of the way they ruled over EPL.

Han, come on we have been over this. Chelsea's record during that time was still atleast 99 times better than ours. They were considered CL contenders cause unlike us, they would not choke at the first hurdle all the time. They beat teams like Bayern, Barca, Valencia. Things that we cant even imagine doing.
Thats why they were considered contenders, and we are not. We fall at the first hurdle, of any sight of a big team, and sometimes even a not so big team.

And it doesn't always take "European pedigree" to win the Champions League. Milan were in a dire state before they won the 02/03 title. Porto had nothing whatsoever when they won it in 03/04. Liverpool came out of bloody nowhere to win it in 04/05. Barcelona did poorly in CL past seasons before they win it in 05/06.

European pedigree counts for a lot. Milan in 06/07 won it based on their European pedigree. Roma were better team than them, that season, but compeltely inexperienced in CL, and hence the results in CL showed that.

A team performing like us can win it next season, out of the blue. But we cannot. CL is like a pressure cooker for us, our players dont have believe and fighting spirit in them. They know they are gonna loose even before they step on to the pitch. you see Roma and Jube fighting for their lives in all cases of adversity, but then you see our morons not knowing whats going on.

We need to bring a few EPL based players, change the mentality of our existing playres, and improve the quality of our squad if we ever wanna do anything in CL.

 

[Handoyo]

Han, come on we have been over this. Chelsea's record during that time was still atleast 99 times better than ours. They were considered CL contenders cause unlike us, they would not choke at the first hurdle all the time. They beat teams like Bayern, Barca, Valencia. Things that we cant even imagine doing.
Thats why they were considered contenders, and we are not. We fall at the first hurdle, of any sight of a big team, and sometimes even a not so big team.

You rebut me with the Chelsea point, fair enough, I won't argue back. But how about the other examples that I mentioned?

European pedigree counts for a lot. Milan in 06/07 won it based on their European pedigree. <snip>

And I don't disagree with that, as a matter of fact, I completely agree with you. But like I said, it is not the only thing that is required to win the Champions League. We need to be patient.

By the way, another example just crossed my mind, even though I'm not completely familiar with this. But the Barcelona Dream Team a decade or something ago (Under Johan Cryuff) won 5 straight La Liga but only 1 CL title, and if I'm not wrong that CL title was won in the final year of the Dream Team. I'm not completely sure about their "European pedigree" but it's just another example of how hard it is to win the Champions League.

 

[CafeCordoba]

By the way, another example just crossed my mind, even though I'm not completely familiar with this. But the Barcelona Dream Team a decade or something ago (Under Johan Cryuff) won 5 straight La Liga but only 1 CL title, and if I'm not wrong that CL title was won in the final year of the Dream Team. I'm not completely sure about their "European pedigree" but it's just another example of how hard it is to win the Champions League.

I wouldn't compare football played 17+ years ago to nowadays football. And it was completely different tournament back then. The clubs couldn't take part in the European Cup unless they had won their domestic league last season. So the nature of the tournament was very different compared to nowadays CL. "Dream Team" Barcelona won European Cup in 91/92, so they won domestic league in 90/91, which was the first domestic championship for the "Dream Team".

But like I said, the old EC can't be compared to CL. In CL, you gather the "euro experience" by being successful constantly in the tournament.

 

[rsz85]

Moratti: This Summer's Transfer Market Will Be Done Carefully

The Benamata's president Massimo Moratti has said that this summer's shopping will be thrifty...
22 Mar 2009 18:52:32

Milan vice-president, Adriano Galliani, has already said that the coming transfer market will be different from those that came before, and now Inter’s president is echoing his sentiments.

Speaking to Sky, Massimo Moratti said, “The global situation necessitates a little calm when it comes to making investments this summer.

“We have tried to be careful in other years too, only really letting ourselves go to get the players we really wanted and needed.

“The team is in great shape, it just needs a few tiny improvements.”

Moratti, like other club bosses, is beginning to stress the importance of the younger players.

“Inter has a youth team that produces amazing talent and we have to take advantage of that,” he stated.

 

[Suneet]

Moratti: This Summer's Transfer Market Will Be Done Carefully

The Benamata's president Massimo Moratti has said that this summer's shopping will be thrifty...
22 Mar 2009 18:52:32

Milan vice-president, Adriano Galliani, has already said that the coming transfer market will be different from those that came before, and now Inter’s president is echoing his sentiments.

Speaking to Sky, Massimo Moratti said, “The global situation necessitates a little calm when it comes to making investments this summer.

“We have tried to be careful in other years too, only really letting ourselves go to get the players we really wanted and needed.

“The team is in great shape, it just needs a few tiny improvements.”

Moratti, like other club bosses, is beginning to stress the importance of the younger players.

“Inter has a youth team that produces amazing talent and we have to take advantage of that,” he stated.

If Moratti sweared on god and said that I still woudnt believe it

 

[VLE]

If Moratti sweared on god and said that I still woudnt believe it

well, at least we tried.
I can recall Bonucci, Fatic, Filkor, Slavkovski, Desanclose, Balotelli, Bolzoni and Pele from top of my head. Sad not many were able to deliver.

 

[lonewolf19]

I think Suneet mean the "it just need tiny improvements" part

 

[VLE]

oh

 

[Handoyo]

I really wondered what he meant by 'tiny.'

Does he mean that we won't get any world class players but just some backups?

Or does he mean we'll get a single player but this guy would be someone out of this world?

Or maybe he meant it literally and he was referring to Lionel-I'm-a-hobbit-Messi?

Who knows?

 

[1919]

he does not mean anything. he just does not want to be pestered with names of stars linked with us - atleast till the season ends - there are 9 fucking matches left maan.

and have nt we all followed inter too long to read anything from moratti's comments??

 

[sanat_schumi]

I'd like to add some more things, with regards to our contender status for the CL trophy.

I believe there are 2 ways to be considered as a CL contender. 1) You have to have the "European pedigree" that some has spoken about, that experience of getting results in past CL tournaments and 2) You are also considered a contender if you do well in your own domestic league.

And for fuck's sake, we have been dominating Serie A for 2 3/4 of seasons now and only the most fucking pessimistic or attention-seeking fan would deny that. It doesn't matter if we have a poor European record. When Juventus were dominating the Serie A but never won the CL since 96 or 97 and they were always considered as the contenders.

Chelsea in 04/05 and 05/06, who were dominating their leagues but never had a good European record, they were considered contenders because of the way they ruled over EPL.

And it doesn't always take "European pedigree" to win the Champions League. Milan were in a dire state before they won the 02/03 title. Porto had nothing whatsoever when they won it in 03/04. Liverpool came out of bloody nowhere to win it in 04/05. Barcelona did poorly in CL past seasons before they win it in 05/06.

So to say that we do not deserve to be called a CL contender is just some ploy to gain publicity for being a badass or something. It'd be stupid to say we're the favorites but it would be equally stupid to deny that we do not have the quality to win it.

I kind of think ...the winning mentality is something the team will develop and by winning hard fought scudettos (wich we din't for many many years) and our players will be able to handle the pressure matches and develop the team/squad mentality required to win the champs league.
The current team on the back of league successes has a much better attitude than Inter teams from the early 2000s when we were mentally fragile to say the least.
The roma match this season when we didn't give up and fought back to get a draw spoke a lot according to me. they are all good signs for the team all-round