Inter's Financial Situation

[.h.]

the problem with italy is the economy has been flat for a very long time. There's no reasonable sign of growth. It's too pegged by the euro, salaries are crazy low, and there's no momentum or inertia.

In particular, the football clubs are a long way from competing with the bigger stage. We don't have stadia, we dont have massive international draw, we dont have big domestic sponsorship deals, nor do we have even big match day crowds.

Italian football (and probably Italy in the round) need a large amount of investment to catch up with the rest of the world.

 

[M.Adnan]

In particular, the football clubs are a long way from competing with the bigger stage. We don't have stadia, we dont have massive international draw, we dont have big domestic sponsorship deals, nor do we have even big match day crowds.

Italian football (and probably Italy in the round) need a large amount of investment to catch up with the rest of the world.

What I understood from Steven Zhang's recent interview and Suning's re-structuring Inter and increasing revenues, this is exactly what they're working on. The only problem is that it's only Inter growing into the right direction (despite the difficulties and the Chinese limitations). This has to happen to all the other clubs in Serie A, not just Inter.

Perrrhaps if Suning succeeds in turning Inter into a top international brand like they claim, that might encourage international investors to invest in other Italian clubs.

 

[.h.]

indeed. Italy is starting to move in that direction anyway - such as Juve owning their own stadium - but there are a lot of red tape and slow processes that need to be cleared up for decent adoption.

We also need to see more of the international drive. Things like today's TV rights thing is (at face value) farcical to me.

 

[rsz85]

When can be the revenue datas from season 2017/2018 expected? i'm very curious to see how much are they raised from season 2016-2017?

 

[Linege]

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Ligue 1 gets 1,15 a year , 60 % more from domestic TV rights

nobody watching serie a, even italians dont want to pay for it

serie a now got the worst domestic deal? out of top5

 

[Zeila]

My ninja Linege, I've observed you complain a lot about the state of Italian economy and Calcio. But how does it affect your love for Inter if a neutral guy in Honduras or Sri Lanka prefers watching other leagues? I couldn't careless what Ligue Qatar is making now that a country owns that league tbh. Furthermore you do know Neymar is probably the third biggest star in the game, right? Of course people wanna watch him and the league benifits.

 

[PHM1605]

buahahahahah
hahahhaha

hahahahahhaha

Ligue 1 gets 1,15 a year , 60 % more from domestic TV rights

nobody watching serie a, even italians dont want to pay for it

serie a now got the worst domestic deal? out of top5

I think it isn't correct. Ligue 1 deal is 1.15b for 4 years, Serie A deal was 1b for 3 years.
We are still higher.

 

[brehme1989]

What happens if we don't comply with the break even shit? I'm hearing that even Icardi or Skriniar can be sold to ensure we break even as a last resort, if it's just a penalty why not just take it? Are they going to impose qualification bans, roster restrictions(who cares?) or even prolong this FFP shit?

 

[.h.]

I suspect we'd get hit with that 20 mil euro fine that is suspended and probably have our FFP stuff prolonged?

I thought I saw somewhere about a change in rules which prevents clubs spending money they are 'assuming' will arrive. What that really means, I'm not quite sure yet...

Also dont be surprised if they step up severity because of our failure to follow the penalties... Like, disqualification and transfer bans. That would be too harsh, though, IMHO but I dont know if anyone else has been in the situation we've been in before.

 

[brehme1989]

I suspect we'd get hit with that 20 mil euro fine that is suspended and probably have our FFP stuff prolonged?

I thought I saw somewhere about a change in rules which prevents clubs spending money they are 'assuming' will arrive. What that really means, I'm not quite sure yet...

Means no gambling for teams that are in CL qualification rounds. Very common practice for clubs from small countries. If they reach a group stage they can break even or profit, if not, they simply abandon ship and blame the next or previous management

 

[.h.]

Means no gambling for teams that are in CL qualification rounds. Very common practice for clubs from small countries. If they reach a group stage they can break even or profit, if not, they simply abandon ship and blame the next or previous management

Ah, okay. I assumed it was that, tbh, but I thought it might have been that assumed revenue had to be earned first - i.e. we couldnt spend the CL money this summer even though we KNOW it will arrive later in the season.

 

[Sokrates]

I don't get this FFP calculations tbh


Example

Club A plays in the CL for 3 years now.
The books are +- 0 € every year, so he makes no loss and no profit

Then the club sells a player (homegrown, his salary is 5 millions for example) for 100 millions
The club buys a substitute player for 20 millions - 5 years contract, and gives him the same salary of 5 millions

So - generally said - the club makes 80 millions profit (100 - 20)

The homegrown player was in the books for costs of total 5 millions - and remember, the books were at 0 € every year
This year, the new player is in the books for total costs of 5 millions + 4 millions (= 20 / 5 years) = 9 millions
Routhly said: This operation costs every year in the book 4 millions


So the club has, because of this transfer, this win/ loss situation in the next years
Year 1: +96 millions (100 millions from the sale - 4 millions from the amortisation of the new player)
Year 2: -4 millions
Year 3: -4 millions
Year 4: -4 millions
Year 5: -4 millions


So the club has FFP problems, because of this amortisation shit? While, in reality, he made big money from this transfer?
Sorry for my bad english :troll:

 

[brehme1989]

Sorry for my bad english :troll:

Your English is good. Your calculations on the other hand

It's far more complicated than what you want to do. There are three parts of the financial statements. Profit & Loss (Income Statement), Balance Sheet and Cash Flow.

 

[JJM]

Zhang Jindong: "Suning Sports has invested several tens of billions of yuan, the next step is the IP business and commercial fulfillment.The 2018 is a key year for the Suning sports industry."

There is talk of the possibility of making Suning sport independent company and therefore also independent of state constraints

Yeah... Sure

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[.h.]

Without running through your numbers in detail conceptually thats right.

FFP activrly encourages trading of players to register book profits on amortised players, and also dont forget its always an aggregation of like 3? Years of books. Its never one year in isolation (except like our case where we have a specific agreement)

 

[Demokritos]

I suspect we'd get hit with that 20 mil euro fine that is suspended and probably have our FFP stuff prolonged?

I thought I saw somewhere about a change in rules which prevents clubs spending money they are 'assuming' will arrive. What that really means, I'm not quite sure yet...

Also dont be surprised if they step up severity because of our failure to follow the penalties... Like, disqualification and transfer bans. That would be too harsh, though, IMHO but I dont know if anyone else has been in the situation we've been in before.

If UEFA is changing their standard/terms all the time, then they are doing something really bad actually.

Lets say, last year, clubs allowed claiming their Champion Leagues money ahead (say), and our financial department are planning everything with that money. Then all of a sudden, UEFA turns with a different standard, and completely suspended such behavior. Clubs like us cant just make a sharp turn with them all the time.....

 

[Il Drago]

Inter Will Get €35.2m For Participating In Champions League

Inter will receive a sum of €35.2 million for participating in the Champions League alone Calcioefinanza.it report.

The Nerazzurri’s amount is the second highest among Serie A’s four clubs who will be competing in the 2018/19 edition of European football’s top club competition; Juventus will receive €45.2 million, Napoli will receive €30.8 million and Roma will receive €29.2 million.

Inter are returning to the Champions League for the first time since the 2011/12 edition where they only reached the first knockout round before being eliminated by Marseille as a result of the away goals rule.

 

[Ed.]

how can figures be different between clubs?

 

[brehme1989]

how can figures be different between clubs?

TV market pool

 

[Ed.]

TV market pool

it doesnt mention that it is tv shares though. and i thought we should get 40 million just by appearing?