Italian Serie A 2023/2024

[.h.]

So Suning isn't responsible for the lack of stadium progress, our 0M sponsor, and the reckless spending they greenlit for their first 3 years? Of course Suning is to blame for our financial state.

Well, not really. Zhang initially invested - that hasnt helped, but really, COVID fucked us, and yeah, some bad Zhang decisions have fucked us too.

Yet, still, Juve have a worse loss in recent years than we do - do they blame their owners? Do they blame Jeep, who injected in fake sponsorship and hundreds of millions in recap into the club?


There are massive systematic problems in Italy. Do you really think a wealthy owner would have built a new stadium or even have the planning approval to build one by now? I put that one firmly on Milan city council... Look at Roma, Inter, Juve... I dont know Napoli's finances, but Milan are only profitable this year (And, tbh, they're lucky because if Juve didnt get points deduction they'd be loss-making again next year most likely).. Maybe just maybe its not just a Zhang problem?


Italy needs to sort out TV rights, overall international marketing, the legal tape of building new stadia, and to be honest, just fix the overall economy so its in growth mode again so that GDP growth doesnt over at 0.3% for the last 2.5 decades.


Yeah, zhang has some things to be blamed for, but many of the big issues are systematic to Italy and the league, as well as Inter's poor decision making.


Put it like this - if we had the perfect non-sugar-daddy owners in, what do you think would be different? We'd probably have saved 100-200mil in transfer fees, maybe won a bit more, but the rest of this shit would still be the same.

 

[Il Drago]

Agnelli signing Ronaldo and Paratici making many poor decisions have played a big part in Juve problems

 

[.h.]

Agnelli signing Ronaldo and Paratici making many poor decisions have played a big part in Juve problems

Okay, and Roma? And Milan being heavily loss making for the last few years? They've been on very tight budgets. Lazio? All the top Serie A clubs are heavily loss making, thats just everyone has bad owners but the league is great? And the 1 billion (I think you?) talked about earlier as the desired target, with the offer only at 600mil - Serie A clubs just need to spend their resources better, everything's actually healthy? If that's an annual figure (I assume) thats putting Inter at one third of what the premiership makes, a bit over half of Bundesliga and La Liga.. Yup - found it - your post here https://forzainterforums.com/index.php?threads/italian-serie-a-2023-2024.16044/page-3#post-2179008



Maybe I'm just wrong, Italy's actually the perfect place to have a football club we just need better owners


Feels like some kool aid is getting drunk around on FIF tonight.

 

[Il Drago]

Okay, and Roma? And Milan being heavily loss making for the last few years? They've been on very tight budgets.


Maybe I'm just wrong, Italy's actually the perfect place to have a football club we just need better owners


Feels like some kool aid is getting drunk around on FIF tonight.

No one said that. You wondered if Juve owners are to blame for their current problems. Well their (past) management is partly to blame for them. They made some poor sporting decisions in the last years

 

[.h.]

No one said that. You wondered if Juve owners are to blame for their current problems. Well their (past) management is partly to blame for them. They made some poor sporting decisions in the last years

I dont dispute that, but again, we basically have rotten houses on rotten foundations. Owners making some bad decisions, but even if you had gold on the walls the foundations are still fecal matter.


Irrespective of our owners, we'd need to really sort out the league and the country, frankly, to get into a properly healthy position. Even if you "waive" Juve as a financial anomaly, look at all of our competition in the league - none of them are fiscally healthy either. The blame isnt only on Zhang - the Serie A winning team gets less TV revenue than a team who gets relegated in the Premiership. From league matchday, I wouldnt be surprised if they also got less stadia revenue than the bottom Premiership side as well. The day is probably coming where they'll get less commercial revenue too.

Microscopically, you can highlight owners as being an issue, but macroscopically this is a 20+ year problem in Italy, arguably even longer. And changes of ownerships arent going to radically change anything - maybe significant improvement here and there for individual clubs, but the platform is still fundamentally fucked




Anyway, the bright side (not to be all doom and gloom) - Premiership can only really afford to have 6(ish) CL-competing teams. Serie A, while we retain >=3 CL slots, will always be an attractive league to younger players who want to make their name on the big stage, because it gets you screen time infront of the scouts for all the biggest clubs, and if they like you, you can secure a transfer to a CL club in the premiership for big bucks. Thats why I disagree with, e.g. at Inter, in some ways the over use of older players - taking something a bit more like the Milan route where you develop more younger players who can develop into stuff that you sell for profit (potentially, not necessarily) would be much more constructive for us. You put Mkhitaryian on the big stage, and as great as he is, no one is gonna spring 80mil for him.

this is where I think Napoli, and lets be honest, some of the Milan signings have done a great job, but you can also see how some of them will comparatively quickly move on. I think IN FAIRNESS, this is also potentially where Marotta - SEEMINGLY taking a more 'Italian' leaning helps out, as you might get a bit more nationality loyalty out of Italian players (Tonali is a bit of a counter point, I guess, but other shit be going down at Milan atm and 4-5x salary is a lot)

 

[Corrode]

and then everyone turns round and blames Zhang/Suning for our financial state

Suning is even worse than Serie A. Suning is technically bankrupt at this time. whole world already know that. Zhang? even worse. he himself is wanted by the law. 3 law charges in Hongkong. Italy? yeah tbh their economy are shit. bottom tier and nothing compared to other G7 countries and BRICS countries. of course serie a operator can't find more higher numbers for their tv market deal.

 

[Glass box]

Whoever of the top 4-5 teams does the least worst job this mercato will win the league. Cause no one will have a particularly great mercato all things put in balance.

For all we know it might be Lazio's year now. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest at this point.

 

[.h.]

Whoever of the top 4-5 teams does the least worst job this mercato will win the league. Cause no one will have a particularly great mercato all things put in balance.

For all we know it might be Lazio's year now. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest at this point.

Basically yes. Juve need to raise cash, Milan, we do, Roma do. Don't know what Lazios situation is but Napoli with a big coaching change makes it risky for them too.

 

[Il Drago]

Basically yes. Juve need to raise cash, Milan, we do, Roma do. Don't know what Lazios situation is but Napoli with a big coaching change makes it risky for them too.

Lazio are at the worst situation of all. They have huge cash flow problems.

https://football-italia.net/lazio-still-face-liquidity-index-issue-on-transfer-market/

 

[Glass box]

Basically yes. Juve need to raise cash, Milan, we do, Roma do. Don't know what Lazios situation is but Napoli with a big coaching change makes it risky for them too.

It can be us as well, too, while at it. Our squad has good chemistry, they and Simone just need to put their minds to it. It's not a matter of ability, but consistency imo that holds us back.

We're Inter, it can go the best and the worst way, though.

 

[.h.]

Lazio are at the worst situation of all. They have huge cash flow problems.

https://football-italia.net/lazio-still-face-liquidity-index-issue-on-transfer-market/

yeah, thats a good point. i did know that, just temporarily forgot i think

It can be us as well, too, while at it. Our squad has good chemistry, they and Simone just need to put their minds to it. It's not a matter of ability, but consistency imo that holds us back.

We're Inter, it can go the best and the worst way, though.

our striker situation worries me, though. Right now its Lautaro + Correa.

And CBs, we're so reliant on Acerbi and Darmian and Bastoni, and two of those guys are already coming out of prime... theres a lot of risk for us.

 

[Il Drago]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671865792013688832

 

[qb4ever_2k]

So Lega Serie A demands for tv rights were 1.1b and the best offer they have received is around 600m. Fun times ahead.

They're gonna have a worse tv deal than Ligue 1.

So whose fault is it? Who's advocating for changes and who's standing in the way?

As far as I understand, Italy as a whole, not just Lega Serie A, is unwilling to change their schedules to appeal to international markets. They alienate a good part of Asia when they insist on scheduling games late in the evening. They alienate the entirety of China, SEA, Korea and Japan when they schedule the biggest games of the round in late evening on fucking Sunday and sometime Monday. Those late Sunday and Monday games are sometime a problem for Europeans too if they have jobs to do on Monday and can't afford to get wasted after the Sunday games.

So are they (the clubs, the local fans, Lega Serie A,...) going to change or "Italians have nothing to do on Monday" is not going anywhere? Because one great thing about EPL for me is how conveniently available the games are. Games also look much better under daylight. Who are you selling the broadcasting right to when most people wont watch a football game at 2AM on Monday?

 

[Universe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671865792013688832

Disgusting

 

[wera]

Yeah, I'm afraid now. We should sell and buy as soon as possible before Juve goes balls in with this transfer window

 

[brehme1989]

. Those late Sunday and Monday games are sometime a problem for Europeans too if they have jobs to do on Monday and can't afford to get wasted after the Sunday games.

No idea of what your idea of Europeans is and where it derives from, but:
a) Sunday night fixtures are the best time possible. We have shit to do on Saturdays and if we go around on a weekend, we'll be back home/at the stadium by Sunday night.
Best time to play games by far, especially from start of season until late October and from March till the end of the season
b) No one gets wasted after watching late games. For real, lol, where does this come from?
If anything, those who do shit like that, are sticking with Premier League pub culture and wouldn't watch anything else.

You want people to attend games and have full stadiums or do you want Koreans to watch Italian games with no fans and players not able to run over the entirety of the game properly because it's too hot/humid, and then never bother again because it's not a pleasant way to spend your time?

Same applies with Champions League. Why do you think they decided on weekdays with a rather late kick off and they stuck with it for 30 years?


Europeans want late night games.
We also want games to be played at the same time if they're early in the afternoon. Spreading a matchday over 3-4 days with 9 different kick-off times is killing this sport.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

No idea of what your idea of Europeans is and where it derives from, but:
a) Sunday night fixtures are the best time possible. We have shit to do on Saturdays and if we go around on a weekend, we'll be back home/at the stadium by Sunday night.
Best time to play games by far, especially from start of season until late October and from March till the end of the season
b) No one gets wasted after watching late games. For real, lol, where does this come from?
If anything, those who do shit like that, are sticking with Premier League pub culture and wouldn't watch anything else.

You want people to attend games and have full stadiums or do you want Koreans to watch Italian games with no fans and players not able to run over the entirety of the game properly because it's too hot/humid, and then never bother again because it's not a pleasant way to spend your time?

Same applies with Champions League. Why do you think they decided on weekdays with a rather late kick off and they stuck with it for 30 years?


Europeans want late night games.
We also want games to be played at the same time if they're early in the afternoon. Spreading a matchday over 3-4 days with 9 different kick-off times is killing this sport.

It's from my time living in Europe, my friends invited me to go support their teams all the time. And nobody would go home after the match, we'd always hang out after the match, if they won, we'd celebrate, if they lost, we'd find something to do to soften the blow. 20:45 on Sunday would be a no go because I'd need to show up at work at 9:30 the next day.

CL stays that way because it's the only available option, there aren't many CL matches in a season for a team anyway. And the biggest CL game of a season, the Final, is played on Saturday.

It's not if I want this or that, I'm just pointing out an obvious disadvantage in the way Italians schedule their game when it comes to broadcasting. If they want bigger broadcasting revenue, there are compromises to be made. It's very easy to blame Lega Serie A when the problem is just much bigger and is on a national level.

 

[brehme1989]

It's from my time living in Europe, my friends invited me to go support their teams all the time. And nobody would go home after the match, we'd always hang out after the match, if they won, we'd celebrate, if they lost, we'd find something to do to soften the blow. 20:45 on Sunday would be a no go because I'd need to show up at work at 9:30 the next day.

CL stays that way because it's the only available option, there aren't many CL matches in a season for a team anyway. And the biggest CL game of a season, the Final, is played on Saturday.

It's not if I want this or that, I'm just pointing out an obvious disadvantage in the way Italians schedule their game when it comes to broadcasting. If they want bigger broadcasting revenue, there are compromises to be made. It's very easy to blame Lega Serie A when the problem is just much bigger and is on a national level.

I'm guessing England, Belgium or Netherlands here

And England is a reach, assuming it's recently.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Correct, it's the Netherlands, one of my friends is from Brighton too.

 

[pupivn]

I would guess so, not Spain, Italy or France …, “wait, they require your face show up at 9:30 on Monday in Italy?”.

Games are more global than before, so if you want to have better/bigger TV deal you have to consider people not only in Asia but also rest of the world. PL caters that well. On the other sides, you couldn’t force people changing local social norms and those are people will shownup in stadiums, not the one in front of TV. It needs to be balanced. And why single out football, people still go out late Sunday with whatever activities like concerts, shows, hanging out …