Lautaro Martinez

[diamen]

Firpo is a massive flop for Barcelona. I watched him just once when he was a Betis player, when we played against AC Milan, and he was great, but his performances for Barcelona were very poor. On the other side, he would have a low contract for sure (at least in comparison with Semedo), he is still young and has experience as wingback which is unusual asset. And there are no many options for left wingback, there are many more for right wingback in my opinion.

 

[FCBarca]

MD are also saying Firpo doesn't want to leave. He was great at Betis under Setien but initially feels like the move to Barca was perhaps too big or too soon, he looks unsure of himself so far. I do not have confidence in him as a result

 

[_OC_]

So, Scaloni just outright went and said, that it'd be better (for the national team) if Lautaro transfered to Barca.

What an complete fucking cunt. Say what you will about Barca (or any other club for that sake), but a national team manager should be way above speculation on rumors on players he himself will be picking. This is basically more or less putting indirect pressure on a twenty-two year old, telling him, that if he wants to succeed at a national level, he should change employer.

Get Zhang and Marotta on his ass.

 

[FCBarca]

It's only normal Scaloni would want his best players playing together at club level, logically that improves chemistry & link up that NT play cannot replicate - much ado about nada IMO

 

[_OC_]

It's only normal Scaloni would want his best players playing together at club level, logically that improves chemistry & link up that NT play cannot replicate - much ado about nada IMO

Of course it's normal for him to believe what he thinks is best for the players available for selection, it's a whole nother' thing for him to come out and say it to the press. You do realize this is putting an immense amount of pressure on Martinez, seeing as this is literally the guy who chooses if he plays for his country or not, right? You'd have to be either blind or support a club that has made commenting on other club's players time and time again a part of their ever dwindling and laughable 'DNA' as their go-to means of negotiation to not see that. This isn't - or at least shouldn't be - the new normal.

Scaloni doesn't pay Lautaro anything, we do. We've never meddled in the Argentinean national team's business, I don't see how Scaloni thinks he has any reason to meddle in ours. Maybe he should focus on making his team a little less crap instead.

 

[FCBarca]

I suspect it's less a direct/indirect pressure on the player, arguably pressure on Inter but unlikely. At the end of the day, people put a microphone in front of people all the time on football speculation, it's the world we live in

Personally, I found the 'headline' silly in the absence of real news or active football atm - it's only topical because there's interest in the topic. I don't think anyone really cares what Scaloni thinks, certainly not those potentially involved in a transfer

 

[YoramG]

Eh, Scaloni should very much keep his mouth shut. But Lautaro should also know he's going to be Argentina's number 9 for the foreseeable future regardless of where he plays; Aguero and Higuain are getting old, Icardi doesn't get a fucking sniff, and Dybala shits the bed every time he puts on that jersey. I hope he's got someone around him to remind him of this.

Also, you know, Messi's 32. How many international tournaments has he got left?

 

[ElDuccio]

Let's be sincere. Losing Lautaro is going to be all on Marotta.

of course something like that could only come from you. I like Lautaro but if he only want's to leave us, he should do it. I don't want another Icardi case with the player asking every year money and letting her agent talk bullshit in TV.

 

[CafeCordoba]

You are making up shit and projecting some future scenarios out of your ass. Why would you expect Lautaro to be like Icardi? Lautaro wants to get paid? No shit when has 16+4 for this season so far and his base salary is 1.5m€ net. And Barcelona wants to sign him. Of course he wants more money. We should pay him, give him a good offer (of course not as big has Barcelona's reported offer).

There's been constant reports that Lautaro do not want to push for the transfer. It means it's up to the management to sell or keep him.

 

[varmin]

You are making up shit and projecting some future scenarios out of your ass. Why would you expect Lautaro to be like Icardi? Lautaro wants to get paid? No shit when has 16+4 for this season so far and his base salary is 1.5m€ net. And Barcelona wants to sign him. Of course he wants more money. We should pay him, give him a good offer (of course not as big has Barcelona's reported offer).

There's been constant reports that Lautaro do not want to push for the transfer. It means it's up to the management to sell or keep him.

There was no significant signs that Lautaro wants to stay. More than one year ago, i'm reading different rumours that he wants to play Messi with instead. Which i'm my opinion is much more reliable than some isolated rumors that he wants to sign new contract.
I don't see how the Icardi's saga will repeat but it could turn to another Perisic's case. If you remember Perisic wanted ManU move and Inter gave him better contract to keep him. Next summer we again missed to sell him as it was obvious that he wanted to go. Now we have unwanted player who even cannot make Bayern to trigger his 20mln clause which is peanuts for them.
I don't say that this will happen to Lautaro as his best years are ahead of him but the lesson here is do not keep unhappy player. At this moment i've read that the management wants 90mln + player which for me is good deal and definitely more than Luataro quality NOW.

 

[Jusef]

There was no significant signs that Lautaro wants to stay. More than one year ago, i'm reading different rumours that he wants to play Messi with instead. Which i'm my opinion is much more reliable than some isolated rumors that he wants to sign new contract.
I don't see how the Icardi's saga will repeat but it could turn to another Perisic's case. If you remember Perisic wanted ManU move and Inter gave him better contract to keep him. Next summer we again missed to sell him as it was obvious that he wanted to go. Now we have unwanted player who even cannot make Bayern to trigger his 20mln clause which is peanuts for them.
I don't say that this will happen to Lautaro as his best years are ahead of him but the lesson here is do not keep unhappy player. At this moment i've read that the management wants 90mln + player which for me is good deal and definitely more than Luataro quality NOW.

There is a replacement cost issue with Lautaro. This includes a new signings integration/settling into the team component.

Perisic is a managerial preference issue. Under a different manager Perisic would have been a main player this season just as he was in prior ones.

 

[Wings]

There was no significant signs that Lautaro wants to stay. More than one year ago, i'm reading different rumours that he wants to play Messi with instead. Which i'm my opinion is much more reliable than some isolated rumors that he wants to sign new contract.
I don't see how the Icardi's saga will repeat but it could turn to another Perisic's case. If you remember Perisic wanted ManU move and Inter gave him better contract to keep him. Next summer we again missed to sell him as it was obvious that he wanted to go. Now we have unwanted player who even cannot make Bayern to trigger his 20mln clause which is peanuts for them.
I don't say that this will happen to Lautaro as his best years are ahead of him but the lesson here is do not keep unhappy player. At this moment i've read that the management wants 90mln + player which for me is good deal and definitely more than Luataro quality NOW.

The release clause is worth more than how good Lautaro is now, but that is also the value of his potential.

I agree that Lautaro has at least some mind to leaving, but I think you are ignoring two other things with Perisic compared to Lautaro. First, Perisic was older than Lautaro is now. His decline can't be attributed entirely to unhappiness, especially for a player who relies a great deal on his physicality. I'm sure Perisic's age also increased his unhappiness, since it meant he might've lost his last chance for a big move. If Lautaro doesn't leave this summer, he'll have plenty of chances in the future.

Second, I think Lautaro has a much higher ceiling than Perisic ever did, so in that sense it was not wise to sell Perisic when he was probably at the peak of his abilities. Lautaro still has plenty of time to grow and may become more valuable than his clause now.

So we should hold firm and accept nothing but cash. I don't want any of the expensive rejects that Barcelona are trying to dump onto us.

 

[varmin]

There is a replacement cost issue with Lautaro. This includes a new signings integration/settling into the team component.

Perisic is a managerial preference issue. Under a different manager Perisic would have been a main player this season just as he was in prior ones.

It depends who will be a replacement of Lautaro. As for Perisic - he was done in Inter regardless who is the coach. He said few months ago that he doesn't like to stay at a club more than 2-3 seasons. That says enough for his motivation here.

The release clause is worth more than how good Lautaro is now, but that is also the value of his potential.

I agree that Lautaro has at least some mind to leaving, but I think you are ignoring two other things with Perisic compared to Lautaro. First, Perisic was older than Lautaro is now. His decline can't be attributed entirely to unhappiness, especially for a player who relies a great deal on his physicality. I'm sure Perisic's age also increased his unhappiness, since it meant he might've lost his last chance for a big move. If Lautaro doesn't leave this summer, he'll have plenty of chances in the future.

Second, I think Lautaro has a much higher ceiling than Perisic ever did, so in that sense it was not wise to sell Perisic when he was probably at the peak of his abilities. Lautaro still has plenty of time to grow and may become more valuable than his clause now.

So we should hold firm and accept nothing but cash. I don't want any of the expensive rejects that Barcelona are trying to dump onto us.

I meant the same. My point was that Perisic was unhappy to stay at Inter and most probably same will be with Lautaro. That will affect his performance as well.
I also prefer to get only cash form Barca but have a feeling that it'll be money + player. I just hope do not get Vidal or Rakitic. Both of them are nearly done but get huge salaries.

 

[CafeCordoba]

There was no significant signs that Lautaro wants to stay. More than one year ago, i'm reading different rumours that he wants to play Messi with instead. Which i'm my opinion is much more reliable than some isolated rumors that he wants to sign new contract.
I don't see how the Icardi's saga will repeat but it could turn to another Perisic's case. If you remember Perisic wanted ManU move and Inter gave him better contract to keep him. Next summer we again missed to sell him as it was obvious that he wanted to go. Now we have unwanted player who even cannot make Bayern to trigger his 20mln clause which is peanuts for them.
I don't say that this will happen to Lautaro as his best years are ahead of him but the lesson here is do not keep unhappy player. At this moment i've read that the management wants 90mln + player which for me is good deal and definitely more than Luataro quality NOW.

Does there have to be some significant signs that a player wants to stay at his current club? This pumping up the hype of Lautaro wanting desperately to play with Messi is from the Spanish press. He surely wants to play with Messi, but he isn't forcing the move. Yes, I'm repeating myself, but this makes a lot of difference compared to situation where player wants to leave and has decided he is going to leave.

If Lautaro comes to Marotta and tells him I want to leave, I'm not happy staying, then the game changes. But so far, Marotta has all the cards.

 

[brehme1989]

And Marotta has set the table by not getting Lauraro a new contract.

 

[Demenza Senile]

He has had 4 good months so far and I don't think he has totally deserved a new contract uptill now.I am sure if all things were held constant and there was no barca interest we would still have given him a new contract at the end of this season because this would have been his first good season which would have earned him a new contract.

Also even giving him a new contract wouldn't have stopped the proposed move because Messi is at Barca and not at Inter and offering him a new contract wouldn't mean we were giving him 10 mil like Barca are claimed to be doing.Even if we gave him 3-5 mil per year it would still not be 10 mil.And I don't think his performances till January this year were worthy of Marotta offering him 10 mil per season.

I don't think blaming Marotta just yet is justified.If we get ripped off by Barca here then yes I do agree he deserves blame but not yet.

 

[Lui]

His value is based on potential and intangibles, neither of which have any substance until he is able to do it consistently.

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[Candreva Crosses]

4 good months? He has been good all season, the fuck you talking about.

 

[RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot]

4 good months? He has been good all season, the fuck you talking about.

He hasn't been good since the Barca rumors got serious. That puts him at about 4 months.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

You guys don't even deserve him.