Mauro Icardi

[brakbrak]

and Icardi didnt? Inter was all about supplying Icardi when he was here, the fact that he left is a big part of why our goalscorers are now more diverse than ever (continuing a trend that started with Lukaku), why we've now got a second striker who scores reliably double figures, etc...

Nothing to do with hiring a manager that plays with 2 strikers and adding good players?

 

[brehme1989]

Hint; yes it was.

Hint2; get his balls out of your mouth

Icardi's main scoring outlet was from through balls, playing with a fellow striker for something like his first 2.5-3 seasons... Maybe you need to focus your memory a bit and forget the Candreva effect where even Eder was getting fed with crosses.

 

[Sawyer]

are you not following. he scored against small goals while we are up already. most of times so basicly half of his goals were when we are already wining and he just padded a stats. in championsl eague he was non existant because we were not playing SMALL TEAMS

" if serie a had 10+ top teams inter would not be a champ because he can not score against them at all"

So why did you say this?

 

[.h.]

Nothing to do with hiring a manager that plays with 2 strikers and adding good players?

That obviously impacts, but its a bit chicken and egg, right?

Did we play a system that only fed Icardi because thats the only way that man is capable of thriving, or did we only play Icardi in that system because we only hadd one good striker?


It's a balance of both, and I dont think Icardi under Conte or Inzaghi wouldd be anywhere near as good as he was in a one man system. Its not really coincidence that once we got rid of Icardi, our wider team were more able to play better, create more, score more

 

[brehme1989]

The recent post from Brehme made a really nice example where like 77% of his goals were vital goals for us.

As I said, that wasn't indicative as most of his goals were late in the game and it was already settled, making the "vital" status an exaggeration and overall it wasn't the best way to illustrate a striker's influence as there was no weighting.

 

[.h.]

As I said, that wasn't indicative as most of his goals were late in the game and it was already settled, making the "vital" status an exaggeration and overall it wasn't the best way to illustrate a striker's influence as there was no weighting.

Your definition of vital wasnt clear, but assuming its one you felt was sensible going in, then that seems that you're double tracking on your metric.

Either way, his % of vital goals was pretty similar to other top strikers, as was his % of winning goals if I remember correctly?

 

[brehme1989]

That obviously impacts, but its a bit chicken and egg, right?

Did we play a system that only fed Icardi because thats the only way that man is capable of thriving, or did we only play Icardi in that system because we only hadd one good striker?

Icardi was capocannoniere, with a far more fluid offensive game than under Spalletti, in 2015, playing with Palacio or Osvaldo up front.

Forgot about that?

It's a balance of both, and I dont think Icardi under Conte or Inzaghi wouldd be anywhere near as good as he was in a one man system. Its not really coincidence that once we got rid of Icardi, our wider team were more able to play better, create more, score more

Icardi thrives playing in a 2 man striker system. He's not a great lone striker but he made it work far better than any other we tried up there.

The reason we played a lone striker was Mancini wanting a 4-2-3-1 (Perisic, Jovetic, Ljajic trident behind him) and then we ended up with Perisic only who could play on the left and there was only Candreva on the right side, who mostly wanted to cross the ball because he couldn't beat a defender... That was never a move to highlight Icardi, how obvious does something need to be to be accepted as fact?

 

[.h.]

What evidence do we have of Icardi thriving in a 2 man system?
The only time he's ever really thrived in his career was 3 seasons at Inter...

 

[brehme1989]

Your definition of vital wasnt clear, but assuming its one you felt was sensible going in, then that seems that you're double tracking on your metric.

Either way, his % of vital goals was pretty similar to other top strikers, as was his % of winning goals if I remember correctly?

I said the term vital was not capturing the full essence of that since lots of "low effect" goals were included and that was the only term I could come up with. I said like 10 times that it was very standardized and something that considers an opening goal or an equalizing goal as important as a late goal that makes it 3-1 should be taken lightly.

 

[brehme1989]

What evidence do we have of Icardi thriving in a 2 man system?
The only time he's ever really thrived in his career was 3 seasons at Inter...

Maybe you took a break, mentally or whatever... .

 

[mala_lisa]

" if serie a had 10+ top teams inter would not be a champ because he can not score against them at all"

So why did you say this?

like i just said icardi scores in champions league and serie a league 1 against top team show me what lukaku does when game is desisive agains small or big team in champions league or serie a or pl or where ever. nothing is non existant because when players have to thing about something else but to give him a ball WHERE HE LIKES he is useless and throws temper tantrums and his hands up in the air and never thinks to amove a little bit and open him self and get the ball BUT HE DOES NOT DO THAT BECAUSE HE IS CAPABLE OF NOTHING BUT STANDING IN ONE pLACE WHERE HE LIKES TO GET THE BALL BUT AGAINST BIG TEAMS THAT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL CLOSE THAT OPTION

 

[.h.]

like i just said icardi scores in champions league and serie a league 1 against top team show me what lukaku does when game is desisive agains small or big team in champions league or serie a or pl or where ever. nothing is non existant because when players have to thing about something else but to give him a ball WHERE HE LIKES he is useless and throws temper tantrums and his hands up in the air and never thinks to amove a little bit and open him self and get the ball BUT HE DOES NOT DO THAT BECAUSE HE IS CAPABLE OF NOTHING BUT STANDING IN ONE LACE WHERE HE LIKES TO GET THE BALL BUT AGAINST BIG TEAMS THAT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL CLOSE THAT OPTION

Mauro Icardi - 19 games in the CL, 9 goals total
Romelu Lukaku - 31 games in the CL, 15 goals total



Give me Lukaku over Icardi any day of the weak.


What you're describing in all caps there is Icardi, not Lukaku, lmao.

 

[mala_lisa]

Mauro Icardi - 19 games in the CL, 9 goals total
Romelu Lukaku - 31 games in the CL, 15 goals total



Give me Lukaku over Icardi any day of the weak.


What you're describing in all caps there is Icardi, not Lukaku, lmao.

yeah right that is why inter during his time never got out of group stage at all 1 year did not even go to europe in spring

 

[Sawyer]

like i just said icardi scores in champions league and serie a league 1 against top team show me what lukaku does when game is desisive agains small or big team in champions league or serie a or pl or where ever. nothing is non existant because when players have to thing about something else but to give him a ball WHERE HE LIKES he is useless and throws temper tantrums and his hands up in the air and never thinks to amove a little bit and open him self and get the ball BUT HE DOES NOT DO THAT BECAUSE HE IS CAPABLE OF NOTHING BUT STANDING IN ONE LACE WHERE HE LIKES TO GET THE BALL BUT AGAINST BIG TEAMS THAT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL CLOSE THAT OPTION

"if serie a had 10+ top teams inter would not be a champ because he can not score against them at all"
Mate I think there's something wrong with your caps lock button its intermittently going on and off. Also you have not explained why you said, so I am still waiting...

Shaqiri and Podolski in 2015 if I remember correctly? I must say that video showing Icardi scoring a penalty is the pinnacle of working in a 2 man system.

 

[.h.]

yeah right that is why inter during his time never got out of group stage at all 1 year did not even go to europe in spring

same...is also...true of icardi................????????

 

[Sawyer]

same...is also...true of icardi................????????

Its entertaining isn't it

 

[mala_lisa]

i do no care about either but call his lukaku something better then icardi is really stupid and short sided

 

[Sawyer]

i do no care about either but call his lukaku something better then icardi is really stupid and short sided

They're both no Dzeko's that is for sure.

 

[mala_lisa]

you want to go there fine. in Dzeko's prime he is better then botttth of them by a mile

 

[.h.]

i do no care about either but call his lukaku something better then icardi is really stupid and short sided

I dont agree, but it feels like there's no point dwelling on this conversation any more.

There are reasons why:
1 - Icardi only really had one club chasing him when he left Inter
2 - He's barely playing at that club now and they're willing to take a MAJOR loss on him to offload him
3 - He doesnt get a look in for Argentina
4 - Romelu has played for several major clubs, deliviering quite consistently 15+ goal seasons throughout this entire last decade
5 - To date, the only big club Icardi has played for other than the one he blossomed at is the one that collects stars (esp attackers) like they're toys, and lacks any degree of team unity, plan or strategy
6 - Even right now it seems like the only club willing to take a chance on Icardi is Juve, who wont even sign a proper commitment with him, instead taking him on loan with option (oh, look, that's exactly what they did with Morata and they're going to send him away)