Mauro Icardi

[Shaun]

I'm really trying to come up with another fanbase in the football world except for Inter's, that would seriously single out Europe's most prolific player in terms of assists and goals combined ahead of Ronaldo and Messi and current topscorer in Serie A and the youngest Capocannonieri since Paolo Rossi as "the problem".

I'm coming up short.

A healthy system would then be Jovetic or Eder or Palacio* as our main striker, and we'd be in 17'th place.

*Bonus answer would be Gabbiadini, whom people seriously clamoured for before this season. Look where that would've got us.

I've already said in the Sparta thread that I'm not one of the ones advocating for Icardi to be dropped, but the idea that we would be 17th or something if we had Jovetic or Eder up front? Eder has started one game as CF and scored twice. Jovetic was our starting striker last season when Icardi was injured and we did fine. There is simply nothing to back up your claims.

 

[M.Adnan]

Brozovic > Icardi.

I've found a better player to build the team around.

 

[_OC_]

I've already said in the Sparta thread that I'm not one of the ones advocating for Icardi to be dropped, but the idea that we would be 17th or something if we had Jovetic or Eder up front? Eder has started one game as CF and scored twice. Jovetic was our starting striker last season when Icardi was injured and we did fine. There is simply nothing to back up your claims.

http://www.inter.it/en/match_center/4125
http://www.inter.it/en/match_center/4153
http://www.inter.it/en/match_center/4161

These are the games that Mauro missed out on do to injury. I don't see the same pattern that you, apparently. Nothing to suggest to me, that we did better as a team (which is the main argument, as I see it), to bench the current Serie A topscorer, anyway. Or that we should have done so back then.
Eder scored twice against a lackadaisical, already-qualified Sparta Prague - also not enough, in my mind, to bench the most prolific player in Europe.

You're right, I was wrong. If we take away Icardi's assists and goals, we'd have 7 points, sitting in 19'th based on the current table. This is factual, I did the math. Hypothetically, would someone else in his position offset that amount of lost points? That's probably what'd you tell me, but I don't see it. Jovetic, whose highest output in Serie A was being involved in 18 goals (13 scored, 5 assists) 5 years ago? Same for Eder, back in 13/14. Gabbia'fucking'dini?

Brozovic > Icardi.

I've found a better player to build the team around.

So next time Icardi scores, will you return to the hole from which you came from, only to pop up again some days later when the dust has settled, to tell everyone how much of a burden our top goalscorer is? Like after Torino, Crotone and lastly Fiorentina.

 

[Ronin]

He was decent today, dropped deep and tried to contribute.

 

[Shaun]

http://www.inter.it/en/match_center/4125
http://www.inter.it/en/match_center/4153
http://www.inter.it/en/match_center/4161

These are the games that Mauro missed out on do to injury. I don't see the same pattern that you, apparently. Nothing to suggest to me, that we did better as a team (which is the main argument, as I see it), to bench the current Serie A topscorer, anyway. Or that we should have done so back then.
Eder scored twice against a lackadaisical, already-qualified Sparta Prague - also not enough, in my mind, to bench the most prolific player in Europe.

You're right, I was wrong. If we take away Icardi's assists and goals, we'd have 7 points, sitting in 19'th based on the current table. This is factual, I did the math. Hypothetically, would someone else in his position offset that amount of lost points? That's probably what'd you tell me, but I don't see it. Jovetic, whose highest output in Serie A was being involved in 18 goals (13 scored, 5 assists) 5 years ago? Same for Eder, back in 13/14. Gabbia'fucking'dini?



So next time Icardi scores, will you return to the hole from which you came from, only to pop up again some days later when the dust has settled, to tell everyone how much of a burden our top goalscorer is? Like after Torino, Crotone and lastly Fiorentina.

So we won one game. Drew with a Roma side that finished well above us, and lost to Sassuolo away which most big sides did last season? Vito has already gone over the stats from last season. Our record with and without Mauro in terms of goals was basically identical. Hence me saying we did fine without him last season. I'm not trying to come up with concrete conclusions about whether we would do better or worse with another main striker. However, you cannot simply deduct his goals and assists from our tally and say that would be the net result.

Again, to reiterate. I don't believe you can drop a guy who has scored and assisted as many as he has this season, but my prediction at the beginning of the season was that he would score a lot, but the side would still struggle to score as a whole. And thus far that has continued to be the case. Could it be that it's not his fault whatsoever. Sure, but i'm not buying it yet. And there is yet to be any data that proves otherwise.

As for his performance today. I agree with Ronin. I thought he dropped back and tried to get involved more than usual.

 

[Efrain21C]

Brozovic > Icardi.

I've found a better player to build the team around.

Except his release clause is half Icardi's, and Brozovic has admirers in different top clubs... I won't be surprised if we need to change his clause... again if we really want to keep him around

 

[Pimpin]

Brozovic > Icardi.

I've found a better player to build the team around.

if you think icardi is inconsistent..

 

[M.Adnan]

So next time Icardi scores, will you return to the hole from which you came from, only to pop up again some days later when the dust has settled, to tell everyone how much of a burden our top goalscorer is? Like after Torino, Crotone and lastly Fiorentina.

I don't know what does this has to do with what I've said. I'll just take it that you can't accept fair criticism to Icardi because you seem too sensitive about it.

 

[Wings]

You're right, I was wrong. If we take away Icardi's assists and goals, we'd have 7 points, sitting in 19'th based on the current table. This is factual, I did the math. Hypothetically, would someone else in his position offset that amount of lost points? That's probably what'd you tell me, but I don't see it.

Unless we chose to play with no one in place of Icardi, I think it is a reasonable assumption that some, if not most, of those goals would still be scored. Especially when a lot of them are scored not due to outrageous individual skill but good positioning. And replacing a striker (or any individual player) is not necessarily just a one-for-one trade, with no effects on the teammates.

But I think the current squad has the tools to build a team around Icardi, and I don't really think he has to be an obstacle to success. Banega can feed through-balls, Brozovic's energy can distract defenders away from Icardi (or vice-versa), and even otherwise useless players like Eder or Palacio can provide a foil for Icardi.

 

[Fapuccino]

Banega can feed through-balls, Brozovic's energy can distract defenders away from Icardi (or vice-versa), and even otherwise useless players like Eder or Palacio can provide a foil for Icardi.

Sounds like a good plan for 8th place.

 

[Wings]

Sounds like a good plan for 8th place.

Thanks for pointing out the specifics of what you didn't like and not resorting to banal generalities.

 

[akusukako]

atletico madrid new stadium is called Wanda Metropolitano as part of partnership with Wanda Group (Chinese conglomerate) so it's a good possibility for them too sign icardi in the near future with Wanda the agent.

i bet icardi would be drooling to play in this Wanda too!

 

[Harpsabu]

atletico madrid new stadium is called Wanda Metropolitano as part of partnership with Wanda Group (Chinese conglomerate) so it's a good possibility for them too sign icardi in the near future with Wanda the agent.

i bet icardi would be drooling to play in this Wanda too!

i can't figure out if your joking or actually trying to make a valid point, and I dont know which is worse

:happy:

 

[Interista 1993]

With Candreva, Mario, and Banega joining this season I think we need more time to really see that talent link up with one anther and see how hopefully pioli can get these guys motivated and work with icardi and vice-versa. Icardi is a huge weapon against juventus and I would really like it if this system which is kind of "Icard-centric" actually produces what it's supposed to produce i.e goals/wins/and CL football. He is a great player and he makes mistakes (so does everyone else in this fucking organization called INTER) so if anyone hates him for mistakes you might as well hate the whole team. Just counting Serie A he has 107 apps with us and 59 goals Which is not bad at all. Don't get me wrong though everyone as an INTER fan is allowed to criticize any player since we all need therapy and be allowed to vent our frustrations.

To this day though I am still slightly miffed about his fuckin book though...I will not tolerate a second offense of that magnitude.

 

[Joker]

Icardi is good, but I don't see benching him will make us finish 17th. give Jovetic the same playing time as Icardi, he'll score and assist a lot too. it's not like Icardi is brilliant in every game.

 

[Shaun]

Icardi is good, but I don't see benching him will make us finish 17th. give Jovetic the same playing time as Icardi, he'll score and assist a lot too. it's not like Icardi is brilliant in every game.

Well, if we played with Jovetic up front we would have to play differently. He's not going to do much with the crosses our wingers constantly whip in (mostly poorly) all day. I imagine if we gave Jovetic time up front instead of Icardi that he would score less than Mauro, but overall the total output by the side would remain about the same because of his superior abilities in other areas. I'm not saying we would magically become a free-flowing attacking side, but I think we would definitely create more chances with a striker who is more actively involved. Whether those chances would offset Mauro's superior goal scoring ability? Very debatable. A part of me wants to see Mauro away for a string of games to see what would happen.

 

[Joker]

Well, if we played with Jovetic up front we would have to play differently. He's not going to do much with the crosses our wingers constantly whip in (mostly poorly) all day. I imagine if we gave Jovetic time up front instead of Icardi that he would score less than Mauro, but overall the total output by the side would remain about the same because of his superior abilities in other areas. I'm not saying we would magically become a free-flowing attacking side, but I think we would definitely create more chances with a striker who is more actively involved. Whether those chances would offset Mauro's superior goal scoring ability? Very debatable. A part of me wants to see Mauro away for a string of games to see what would happen.

yes we have to play a different style, they're 2 different player, thats what I want to see (different style in attack) because we're limited and looking clueless when Mauro is playing bad. also the fact that he keep starting games or not substituted despite playing badly makes me think that Jovetic will do good if given the same chance.

 

[morrisama]

we mostly want to see Inter playing with better display. good build-up, more options in attacking, or effective possesion football. but i always find it hard to understand people who keep insisting on having Icardi as our fulcrum of tactic. i mean that's logically strange.

i would agree with that kind of special treatment for center forward like Suarez. or Milito

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we mostly want to see Inter playing with better display. good build-up, more options in attacking, or effective possesion football. but i always find it hard to understand people who keep insisting on having Icardi as our fulcrum of tactic. i mean that's logically strange.

i would agree with that kind of special treatment for center forward like Suarez. or Milito

 

[ADRossi]

Thanks for pointing out the specifics of what you didn't like and not resorting to banal generalities.

I had to look up the word "banal."

 

[CoolMan44]

Invisible today.

Especially annoying on the play where he just fell from slight contact by Acerbi. He should have stood his ground rather than give up and ask for a foul.

He does this too often.