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To be fair, entirely different contexts. We were still odds on favourite to win the league in Mourinho's first season - were we even 2nd favourites last year? I cant remember. I'd guess third behind Napoli, going into the season?

Salary is irrelevant - there has been serious inflation in Football since then. What was the biggest salary in the leaague at the time? The biggest transfer in the world was STILL Zidane when Mourinho took over at Inter - 77.5mil euros. Now its nearly 3x that.




If Mourinho of 2010 was running this Inter team now, last season would have been a construction season, to get the team right. I think we might have done better - maybe won the EL, but its not like we would have won the league.



You're talking a load of shite, tbh. As usual.

Lol, you are once again completely losing the plot and have no idea of what you're responding to.

The initial comment was about Mourinho coaching Inter, instead of Conte, having the same season.

So this 2010 bullshit you came up is just another waste of time post of yours to talk about something that was never discussed just to pretend that your input is valid in yet another futile attempt to reject my posts.

Hopefully next time you manage to avoid a 10 year lag in the reply and comment on 2020.
 

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Lol, you are once again completely losing the plot and have no idea of what you're responding to.

The initial comment was about Mourinho coaching Inter, instead of Conte, having the same season.

So this 2010 bullshit you came up is just another waste of time post of yours to talk about something that was never discussed just to pretend that your input is valid in yet another futile attempt to reject my posts.

Hopefully next time you manage to avoid a 10 year lag in the reply and comment on 2020.


OK, then, lets go blow by blow


Mourinho would have been crucified if we got eliminated from the Champions League groups and his salary was 2/3 of Conte's. - Doubt it. We got eliminated from the CL in his first season with a more performant side pretty atrociously (more performant because it was league winners several years in a row)


Mourinho would have been crucified for losing the Europa League final. - I dont think so. I think fans are upset, and rightly so, that we didnt win it, but its always 50/50. Crucified is a ridiculous thing to say tbh. Knocked out in the 16th stage of the EL, yeah, crucified. Losing the final to the all time most winning EL side? Different story.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he lost twice to Juventus, playing as if he was managing Siena. - No, dont think so. We're a less capable and talented team than Juve at the moment. Opening up lodas of spaces might have resulted in getting rammed. Mourinho is hardly the 'expressive, expansive' football manager.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he insisted to spend 80m on a player that did not warrant it, from a team he wanted out of whilst the feeling was mutual. - This is just stupid. Lukaku had a good season, its your own opinion that he does not 'warrant' it. Man Utd dont really get beholden to losing players at discounted rates, as far as I recall. Once they want them out, they're out (Sanchez for example), but Man Utd didnt want Lukaku out, he wanted out from Man Utd. I dont follow them closely, but when was the last time a player wanted out from them (rather than vice versa)? Even Pogba cant fucking leave atm :D


Mourinho would have been crucified if he wanted Skriniar out. - I actually dont buy that for a second. The fans did put up with Mourinho making decisions that were 'against' some fan favourites - Materazzi and Cordoba played much less, Cruz went, I dont remember any crucifying.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he failed to respond in games tactically. - Well, yes, but to be honest, this is Mourinho's raison d'etre as a tactician. If he didnt do this, he would literally have nothing. The whole 'Special One' stuff was because of his ability to tinker with his team tactically and adapt to the next opponent. I'm pointing that out because he was LITERALLY CALLED THE SPECIAL ONE for doing that.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he didn't win a trophy in his first season. - This comment here, tbh, is why I had the confusion between Mourinho of 2010 and this hypothetical scenario of Mourinho 2020. Only a fucking idiot would crucify Mourinho hypothetically managing this team on last season with the same results Conte had. Taking over a side that hasnt been competitive in almost a decade and pulling the season we had off, deserves praise. Whoever the manager is.
 

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What a shit narrative to distort reality.

Where the fuck's the context here?

Best finish? Sure. In a season where we looked crippled until the covid break and we were actually the only team that benefitted from it from the top 6. Lazio collapsed and Atalanta decided to stop playing in the final games in order to concentrate for their CL tie. The same CL tie that we managed to get fucked out of, because of "the man and tactics" you are supporting here managed to lose a 2-0 win away to Dortmund with his stubborness and also couldn't manage to beat a Barcelona made of Ansu Fati, Carlos Alena, Moussa Wague, Carles Perez and Junior Firpo.

Maybe if Napoli hadn't imploded since the beginning of the season the actual favorites for a top 3 finish would be somewhere there, right?

As for our defence. Didn't Conte inherit this defensive line? We've had one of the best defencses in the league for three years now, yet we looked the most fragile last season despite what your precious record may tell you. Praise Handanovic and individual efforts for not conceding as many as we could have.

Goals scored, yes, that's pretty much the only one, but that's also mostly because we finally switched to 2 strikers and two wingers. "The man and his tactics", sure.

Almost won the Europa League. A tournament we never wanted to play in. Almost... But then "tactics" happened. Let's ignore the public outbursts as we also ignore who this fucking "man" is in the first place. Let's erase history together, we used to want to write it in the past.


You are free to support any other team in the world if all you care about is records and "how we play". This team just might not be for you. #NotForEveryone

Support another team? you aren't even supporting the current inter team. :lol:

Seen one line to h. Conte dick riding. Haha, Holy fuck!! Some people aren't as entranced in their opinions as you are which might be a fucking shock. If things start to go bad, as I said I'll be the first to complain. You've been against conte from the very start, you openly admitted a few times you've a bias against him, admitted it to me and i stated your opinion on conte can't be taken seriously as a result.

And records and how we play... What the fuck does that even mean? Literally what is your argument there? Are you annoyed that I'm using actual facts and figures instead of you building up some scenarios in your head?

Also, the same guy preaching context is saying mourinho would have been crucified for not winning a trophy in his first season at inter in a comparison with conte??? :lol: you are unbelievable
 

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I don't know what's funnier. Your statement, or the list of people who agreed with you by those thanks.

So if we won, lets say 7:0 playing the best football you ever saw in your life, and then lost straight 15 games after that, would it make me a bigger moron or lesser one if I said after this 1 game, we are scudetto contenders?

That's kinda what you did just now btw.

We won by showing great character is my answer to you. Those games with 0 at the back showing great defense will come. Unless you think Conte out of a sudden shits on defensive aspect of the game, although that would be idiotic seeing how we had best defense last year, so he must care a little at least?

So long rant and didn't answer the question. Got it. :lol:
 

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Mourinho would have been crucified if we got eliminated from the Champions League groups and his salary was 2/3 of Conte's. - Doubt it. We got eliminated from the CL in his first season with a more performant side pretty atrociously (more performant because it was league winners several years in a row)

Mourinho got eliminated in the round of 16 from Manchester United due to two early half goals by headers while our shots grazed the bar.

What on earth are you talking about? And how is that relevant? You give Mourinho last season and there's no way he loses the qualification to Dortmund via a Barcelona B loss. No way.


Mourinho would have been crucified for losing the Europa League final. - I dont think so. I think fans are upset, and rightly so, that we didnt win it, but its always 50/50. Crucified is a ridiculous thing to say tbh. Knocked out in the 16th stage of the EL, yeah, crucified. Losing the final to the all time most winning EL side? Different story.

If he lost it the way we did, he would, regardless of opposition.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he lost twice to Juventus, playing as if he was managing Siena. - No, dont think so. We're a less capable and talented team than Juve at the moment. Opening up lodas of spaces might have resulted in getting rammed. Mourinho is hardly the 'expressive, expansive' football manager.

So Spalletti with 1/3 of Conte's budget competed far better against a better Juventus side and didn't win due to refs fucking us over, yet Conte with record breaking signings and a Juventus in turmoil is managing a "less capable and talented" side... Sure...

Mourinho would have been crucified if he insisted to spend 80m on a player that did not warrant it, from a team he wanted out of whilst the feeling was mutual. - This is just stupid. Lukaku had a good season, its your own opinion that he does not 'warrant' it. Man Utd dont really get beholden to losing players at discounted rates, as far as I recall. Once they want them out, they're out (Sanchez for example), but Man Utd didnt want Lukaku out, he wanted out from Man Utd. I dont follow them closely, but when was the last time a player wanted out from them (rather than vice versa)? Even Pogba cant fucking leave atm :D

Who cares what season he had? He messed our entire transfer preparation and it was a huge risk, still is as the cost is ongoing and not just for a question of one season. And no top manager is stubborn enough to whine at his club for not spending a shitload of money on a guy that has been considered a flop for his team. You like economics, this is a real life example of opportunity cost.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he wanted Skriniar out. - I actually dont buy that for a second. The fans did put up with Mourinho making decisions that were 'against' some fan favourites - Materazzi and Cordoba played much less, Cruz went, I dont remember any crucifying.

Materazzi was benched for Samuel, something that was common long before Mourinho came here apart from the seasons were Samuel was injured, whilst Cordoba was slowly being phased out anyway. And they both got a lot of playing time under Mourinho. And these guys had been at Inter for years and were in their 30s, they weren't players for the next 10 years.

In fact, season 2007-8 the central defenders with most minutes were Chivu and Burdisso, while Cordoba was just behind Nicolas, while Materazzi had slightly more minutes than injured Samuel.
Mourinho's 2008-9, Cordoba was in fact the center back with most minutes, so he got upgraded. Materazzi was 34 and was relegated to a bench role with Samuel being slightly more fit and Chivu still was a top CB but also injured so they were essentially rotated. Cordoba was the main center back with the next in line being Chivu, Burdisso and Samuel in that order, with Materazzi fifth. And he wasn't shown the door, he accepted that he wasn't good enough anymore.

But this is yet another irrelevant deviation from the point with a silly counter-example of a current situation to paint a completely different picture.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he failed to respond in games tactically. - Well, yes, but to be honest, this is Mourinho's raison d'etre as a tactician. If he didnt do this, he would literally have nothing. The whole 'Special One' stuff was because of his ability to tinker with his team tactically and adapt to the next opponent. I'm pointing that out because he was LITERALLY CALLED THE SPECIAL ONE for doing that.

He was called "the special one" because of his first press conference as a Chelsea manager, because he wasn't able to understand the difference between articles "the" and "a" in the English language and the English media was stupid enough to not realize that and played along with it.
And no, it wasn't a tinkering thing. What's Conte's thing then if not tactical rigidness?

Point in fact, Mourinho is a class apart from our current manager in the core essence of coaching.


Mourinho would have been crucified if he didn't win a trophy in his first season. - This comment here, tbh, is why I had the confusion between Mourinho of 2010 and this hypothetical scenario of Mourinho 2020. Only a fucking idiot would crucify Mourinho hypothetically managing this team on last season with the same results Conte had. Taking over a side that hasnt been competitive in almost a decade and pulling the season we had off, deserves praise. Whoever the manager is.

You should really just stick to the accounting aspects of football.
 

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honestly, wish i could continue this, but im off out to sunday lunch now. I'll pick it up tonight.

I love Mourinho to bits, what he did at Inter was incredible; he's far from a top coach now. Conte, who has many notable limitations, is at least getting better results in recent years than Mourinho. Personally, I'd rather Conte right now. I dont think Mourinho is finished as a manager by any means, but his ideas feel out of date and for me he's really struggling right now (not at tottenham but in last 3-5 years of his career?)

Lets not forget he got fucking rammed by the press for their loss at the start of the season.
 

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So long rant and didn't answer the question. Got it. :lol:
That's called reading between the lines.

I'm sure there are intelligent people reading this forum that could easily deduct my answer instead of giving it on a plate like to 5 year olds.

My apologies to you though.
 

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Bring out the pitchforks lads its time to crucify mourinho for drawing with newcastle
 

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Bring out the pitchforks lads its time to crucify mourinho for drawing with newcastle

Haha love when the “big” epl teams fail.

Man U yesterday got a Juve level minute 100 Pk haha
 

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Bring out the pitchforks lads its time to crucify mourinho for drawing with newcastle

Record signing ndombele on the bench, new signings Doherty and reguilon on the bench, bale in the stands. Could you imagine :lol:
 

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Here are the defenders.

De Vrij
Kolarov
Pirola
D'Ambrosio
Bastoni

Out
Skriniar?
Ranocchia

If Pirola ain't the next wonderkid then Inter is fucked.
 

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Record signing ndombele on the bench, new signings Doherty and reguilon on the bench, bale in the stands. Could you imagine :lol:

WHY WOULD YOU PAY SO MUCH FOR BALE WHEN HIS CLUB DONT WANT HIM AND THEN JUST KEEP HIM KN TNE BENCH
 

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It's fucking ridiculous! You would think we just avoided relegation last season, what the fuck is going on here!?!

Before people start, it's not about being a conte fan etc. If we start to play poorly and get poor results I will be the first man to criticise.

You're a much older member than me so you should know it doesn't work like that on this forum. When you praise or criticise a player/coach/director/owner you're either a fanboy who blindly supports or a hater who gets pleasure from watching Inter lose. You're either with us or against us. It's impossible to simply express your opinion, right or wrong, without having an agenda.
 

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Here are the defenders.

De Vrij
Kolarov
Pirola
D'Ambrosio
Bastoni

Out
Skriniar?
Ranocchia

If Pirola ain't the next wonderkid then Inter is fucked.
I would be less worried. Let's look at it reasonably.

Last year we had Bastoni and De Vrij. Our two best defenders imo and that didn't change it even we might expect improvement in the game of Bastoni. We had Skriniar who in my opinion can be easily replaced by someone if the same quality as RCB or even higher.

So if we get someone as good or even better at RCB as Skriniar we are already better off. Then what about subs? We had gags thing who besides experience was not greatest defender and I think. If Pirola is talented we shouldn't lose too much here. We had Dambrosio who is still here. So the only change is Kolarov for Godin. Huge change if we look at the last part of previous season, but it's smaller if we take the previous version of Godin.

However, depending on how big of an improvement Bastoni will gain and how more comfortable else be Skriniar replacement we might as well be even in better position defensively. So let's give it a solid 2 or 3 months and then we'll be able to easier assess whether we did right moves.
 

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You're a much older member than me so you should know it doesn't work like that on this forum. When you praise or criticise a player/coach/director/owner you're either a fanboy who blindly supports or a hater who gets pleasure from watching Inter lose. You're either with us or against us. It's impossible to simply express your opinion, right or wrong, without having an agenda.

Thought you were slagging my age for a second :lol: but yes. I know what you mean. But it's still infuriating, I should try to ignore it.
 

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I would be less worried. Let's look at it reasonably.

Last year we had Bastoni and De Vrij. Our two best defenders imo and that didn't change it even we might expect improvement in the game of Bastoni. We had Skriniar who in my opinion can be easily replaced by someone if the same quality as RCB or even higher.

So if we get someone as good or even better at RCB as Skriniar we are already better off. Then what about subs? We had gags thing who besides experience was not greatest defender and I think. If Pirola is talented we shouldn't lose too much here. We had Dambrosio who is still here. So the only change is Kolarov for Godin. Huge change if we look at the last part of previous season, but it's smaller if we take the previous version of Godin.

However, depending on how big of an improvement Bastoni will gain and how more comfortable else be Skriniar replacement we might as well be even in better position defensively. So let's give it a solid 2 or 3 months and then we'll be able to easier assess whether we did right moves.

You totally underestimate the chances of D'Ambrosio or Kolarov (or both) having to start again in a game. It's a long season. Injuries and suspensions happen. On top of that we have a pandemic ongoing. What if one of our defenders, God forbid, gets the virus and has to stay out for two weeks like Ibra? Can you imagine going to a derby or a CL game with D'Ambrosio or Kolarov as starters? I believe our squad depth in defense is too thin and we need one more defender.

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Thought you were slagging my age for a second :lol: but yes. I know what you mean. But it's still infuriating, I should try to ignore it.

I don't even join the jokes about I4E so you can rule that out. ;)
 

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Guys its time to LITERALLY CRUCIFY guardiola too
 

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At least Mourinho came into a team that were already winning the league, I'd bet it's easier to make the next step towards more trophies when you join a club like that.

Conte came and firstly changed the formation, there was also some drama about some of our players, and the club barely made CL the previous season.

Conte is not perfect, we all know that. Not one coach/manager is. But the decision to hate players Conte brought just because of that fact, it's ridiculous. Lukaku scoring more than some other Serie A proven strikers we bought in his first season is proof that we have something with great potential here. And it's not just Lukaku, it's Lautaro, it's Sensi, ... all of these cool players that make me happy I'm an Inter supporter. Finally, after a long time, Inter looks decent, even good at certain moments.


But no, bring back Mou :lol: criticizing Conte that when he resigns he will leave this club in ruin, but forgetting how Mou knew when to leave Inter so he wouldn't have to deal with the reconstruction and the potential ruin of his Inter legacy.
 
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