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RACISM: 5-MINUTE DELAY FOR ALL MATCHES
Monday, 28 November 2005 13:18:35
ROME - (ANSA) - From tomorrow until Sunday, all the Coppa Italia Tim matches scheduled for this week and next weekend's Serie A matches will begin after a five-minute delay, with the players of each team to display a banner with the words "NO to racism" in the centre circle. Italian football is against racism and the FIGC (Italian football federation) intends to confirm this through the campaign which, according to the press release, "will see the whole football world as protagonists from tomorrow until Sunday, involving managers, players, coaches and referees who are involved in the Tim Cup round and the next championship matchday."



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This is a good idea!
 

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I personally don't think that we can even relate those racists to Inter. How can such people support a team that takes it name from the word that is synchronized with "diversity" and "equality" is just beyond me. For me, the best possible solution is too increased the number of security for each match. If needed, these securities are placed among the or even disguised as fans. Needless to say that those guilty of chanting racial abuse would then be caught, handed to the authority and sentenced to a financial fine & jail time.

Punishing the club will not help at all because these fans will never learn their lesson. I mean, they knew beforehand of the consequences yet they still did it so what difference will it make in the future if the same expected punishment (Fine, stadium ban) is handed again?
 

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Han u re totaly right i does not use a thing if the club get s punished. On the other hand i think the club it s selve has to do somthing against these peoples. I think the only right punishment fore such peoples is a livelong stadium ban and a financial fine.

With the security i think if there a racistial chants they shoult react imediatly and try to get those peoples out of stadium during match.
 

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Ratings from Gazzetta.it
Julio Cesar -- 6,5
Zanetti -- 6,5
Cordoba -- 7
Samuel -- 6
Favalli -- 5,5
Stankovic -- 6
Veron -- 6,5
Cambiasso -- 6,5
Figo -- 5,5
Adriano -- 5
Recoba -- 7,5 MOM
Martins -- 6
Materazzi -- 6


Did Cordoba play that good...? :thumbsup: And Favalli, Figo and Adriano sucked..? :thumbsdo:

According to Gazzetta.it Messina's MOM was G. D'Agostino 7...Isent he a Roma player..? Storari (Messina goalkeeper) also got 7, so it mean that he made some saves...

I also saw the highlights for the game and there sould have been a penalty for Messina as J. Zanetti took his(Ilev I think) legs away...
But that isent our problem :p
 

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Handoyo said:
I personally don't think that we can even relate those racists to Inter. How can such people support a team that takes it name from the word that is synchronized with "diversity" and "equality" is just beyond me. For me, the best possible solution is too increased the number of security for each match. If needed, these securities are placed among the or even disguised as fans. Needless to say that those guilty of chanting racial abuse would then be caught, handed to the authority and sentenced to a financial fine & jail time.

Punishing the club will not help at all because these fans will never learn their lesson. I mean, they knew beforehand of the consequences yet they still did it so what difference will it make in the future if the same expected punishment (Fine, stadium ban) is handed again?

your totally right, it would not help a bit, the only way you can stop these idiots from singing racistic chants, is by threatening them with a fine or stadium ban. And put those who have done such thing on a black list.

these idiots could not care less if the club have to pay for their idiocy, we have seen clear evidence of this several times now.

But you must give them that a stadium is the perfect place to get some attention or show your political opinion.
 

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MORATTI: "A PROJECT AGAINST RACISM"
Monday, 28 November 2005 15:01:38
MILAN - Massimo Moratti gave a brief interview after his morning's work at the Saras offices in Milan:

Dr Moratti, even if Inter should not be blamed, what do you think about what happened yesterday to Zoro and his reaction?
"This is not a new phenomenon. Once again yesterday there was just the reaction of a player which was courageous and also quite sober and instinctive, but this is fine. So I don't think just one group is to blame. This is not just an Italian habit, and it goes back many years. I think it's something that should be faced by not targeting the clubs directly, especially those who want to distinguish themselves from this kind of thing, but by using a careful and well-studied policy. Unfortunately these problems don't just occur in sport, there are just as instinctive examples in other fields. For now I can just say that Zoro is an intelligent boy who reacted in an intelligent way. Our players also did well to understand the situation immediately, because many of them have the same kind of problem. So we have to protect them a bit more."

What can football do against this kind of phenomenon?
"Football is a wonderful vehicle to transmit positive things. Interventions are not enough to stamp out the problems, you also have to give positive signs and I think football can do a lot. We must elaborate a project and a programme with specialists to help us gradually improve this situation. Everyone has the freedom to express themselves, but what we want is that the people that come to work here (in Italy) are not offended."

What do you think about the fact that the Italian FA has set up an enquiry?
"The Italian FA clearly has to set up an enquiry to find out what happened. But the only new thing is that the player reacted. I think the only thing we can do is set up a very serious project from now on. Not just stamp it out, but also come up with a few new ideas that can help us improve the situation."

Could dialogue with the fans in the Curvas help isolate these individuals who ruin the image of the entire fanbase?
"Yes, it could help. But I don't think this is a phenomenon that is limited to the fans in the Curvas. We must be careful not to isolate the Curvas by pretending to be in another country."

In a similar case the Treviso players came on to the pitch with their faces coloured black as a sign of solidarity for a team-mate who was the object of racist insults. Would it be a strong signal if Inter did the same thing in Serie A?
"Yes, it could be. But it has already been done. I think the whole of football has to move in this direction. Phenomenons of individual courage are very important, but they are just signs. Something more important is needed. You mustn't try to strike someone but instead build something. It's the hardest way, but sooner or later we have to start."

Let's return to the football. Yesterday Alvaro Recoba played a big part in Inter's victory. Will his contract be renewed?
"This is a matter between the club and Recoba. I believe it will happen very soon. As far as Recoba's performance against Messina is concerned, I always say that I haven't discovered anything because I know he can play like this and that he has this talent. He can be a decisive player. For me, everything he does is normal, and it's very pleasant to watch."

cleaver words from Moratti, and I totally agree with him, :)

And now it seems like we will extend Recoba's contract :rolleyes:
 

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Blue Öyster Cult said:
In a similar case the Treviso players came on to the pitch with their faces coloured black as a sign of solidarity for a team-mate who was the object of racist insults. Would it be a strong signal if Inter did the same thing in Serie A?
"Yes, it could be. But it has already been done. I think the whole of football has to move in this direction. Phenomenons of individual courage are very important, but they are just signs. Something more important is needed. You mustn't try to strike someone but instead build something. It's the hardest way, but sooner or later we have to start."

This is damn cool, i never heard about this...

Blue Öyster Cult said:
Let's return to the football. Yesterday Alvaro Recoba played a big part in Inter's victory. Will his contract be renewed?
"This is a matter between the club and Recoba. I believe it will happen very soon. As far as Recoba's performance against Messina is concerned, I always say that I haven't discovered anything because I know he can play like this and that he has this talent. He can be a decisive player. For me, everything he does is normal, and it's very pleasant to watch."

Its great if he gets a new contract, he done some good things lately(spell?)
 

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I know a way how it could be stopped but I heard the italian police are too cowardly to do such a thing. Here in South Africa if some acts like that the security removes him from the stadium imediately and send him to spend a night in jail.

I am sure that would deter these idiots but as we know the italian police would never enter the curva to remove troublemakers.
 

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This incident is so stupid, I even don't think there was a racist booing... both teams had black players in zoro martins, even adriano...

so who on earth would attack zoro?

and he did amazingly stupid thing when he wanted to be subed, he was playing against himself, ignore idiots on stands and keep on playing,..
I am agianst racism but zoro played their game and gave that idiots a satisfaction
 

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Stefan said:
I know a way how it could be stopped but I heard the italian police are too cowardly to do such a thing. Here in South Africa if some acts like that the security removes him from the stadium imediately and send him to spend a night in jail.

I am sure that would deter these idiots but as we know the italian police would never enter the curva to remove troublemakers.

Maybe thats becasue S.Africa has suffered from racism more than any other country.

I dont think we will be getting a stadium ban, this was an away game. How can you get a home ban for conduct in an away game :confused: , I think we may get fines, but yeah I think its about time that police should step into matters like this.
 

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Thanks for the pictures, it seems Adriano was amazing calming down Zoro, pity such things happen in the 21st century, but well always there are idiots who are not raised properly.

Forza Adriano, and Forza Black, yellow, red, and every color people..
 

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man...I still can't believe these idiots did that! I'm always out to defend Inter, because 99% of people following football are goofs and have no clue..but fuck...this is completely against everything Inter stands for.

Damn these idiots!!!
 

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This is kind of weird. Worse things happen in every home game at the Olympico, and there was an incident of a player racially abusing another player in the CL.

Why is this suddenly a news? I guess it was the Zoro reaction. It sucks that it happened against us, but I agree with his principle.

But if any drastic measures are taken, this will be like a turnig point. So we may be in the history book, yet again, for the wrong reasons.
 

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Man! we just had to be unlucky! Zoro probably never played at the Olimpico!
 

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It has always been like that. Inter are among Hellas and Lazio, the most rightwinged club in the Italy and you don't just change it like that. You can make campaigns, which try to keep it of the field. But it won't go anywhere, not just like that. This wasn't a surprise or anything. Look at the curva pics and you'll see.

Sad.
 

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Hmm, I think Zoro's reaction is acceptable, and it is about that the fans stop using racial insults to players or other fans...

It doesn't matter wether he plays in Olimpico or Delle Empty....

But punishing a team like inter for such action is ridiculous.. Those fans (who made racial abuse) were probably not inter fans, they must be BBilanisti or Gobbi fans..

there is no way, fans keep hurting their own team... the only logical explanation is that they are our rival fans and try to hurt our team...

I support the move to arrest and punish such an action...
 

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Stupid incidents like this happen more or less on weekly basis. If one is a serie a fan, then they surely know that out of all the serie a clubs we probably have done more in order to stamp racism out of football. So to me getting a ban or even a fine would be slightly harsh!
Further, as most of you know, clubs do not have a say in who enters the stadium and who doesn’t. Hence punishing a club for such incident would not be the best solution, specially a long term one. Serious measures need to be implemented, though unfortunately I can’t see it coming.

Every single team out there have bunch of these idiots. It all blew up because of Zoros reaction.

By the way great reply from our president regarding Moggi and Giraudo's comments:
"I just want to say to Moggi that of the many things done in football, I didn't know he also wanted to write the Disciplinary Commission rulings in advance," Facchetti said. "Instead, as far as the immorality cited by Giraudo is concerned, I don't think I have to explain to Giraudo what the immoral things in Italian football really are. He should know them well."
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I don't think you guys are accusing Zoro for over-reacting but if you do, I don't think we have any right to accuse him of such conduct because most of us aren't even blacks so we don't know how does a black feel when he's racially abused. Also, even different black person have a different degree of acceptance towards racial abuse.

This is a sad incident and you know what, very much unfortunately, this is reaching nowhere near the end. The players have done their best (StandUpSpeakUp), the fans have done their best (Let's-Kick-Racism-Out-Of-Football), the clubs have done their best but the most important party, the police, has done nada to catch these b@stards. :yuck:


Hand:stress:yo
 

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Surely he had the right to react as he did. But my point is that sadly incidents as such often happen across Italy without it grabbing the news headlines. This one however captured media’s attention only because of Zoro’s reaction. We all know how they crave for any kind of drama.

Hence in my opinion a ban or fine will not solve anything. Specially, when there are plenty other clubs much more involved/associated with such stupid behaviour. Get the police involved, put some cctv cameras all over the stands in order to identify them. Perhaps then, we can get rid of these morons.
 
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