Milan - Inter (20 Nov 16)

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Niang is 5x better than Brozovic.

Fans of Italian football still have that "ic" bias.

Brozovic is absolutely useless...Inter fucked up by selling Kovacic.

Why you compare them at first place? Brozovic is midfielder and Niang is forward. From Milan's midfield only Bonaventura is better player than Brozo but in his present form sucks, so now Brozo is better of all mids of Milan :)
 

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The agreement between Thohir and Mancini was that he has full controll because Thohir dont knows a shit about football.

Surely you are not naive enough to believe that? In the Italian context, you can break down the coach's influence on transfers in 3 broad categories:

1. Negligible Influence: This is the most common model, where the Director of Sport (DoS) and the Onwer decide on transfers. Most clubs follow this, e.g. Udinese.

2. Suggestion: This is usually at big clubs, where the coach has some reputation/gravitas. The coach suggests the type of player he wants, and the DoS decides who to buy to fulfil the demand. Juve are a great example of how this works.

3. Veto Power: This is extremely rare, I have only seen this a few times usually in situations of a top coach at a dysfunctional club. From what I understand, Mancini put this as a condition in his contract. But even here the coach cannot buy who ever he wants, he has to work with the DoS and suggest players. He can however reject a player the DoS wants to buy.

This is still not english style where a coach gets a budget and can do whatever he wants. Clearly Mancini did not have that, coz otherwise in 2015 the first two players we bought would have been Yaya Toure and Dybala. In Italy the coach pretty much reports into the DoS. So when Mancini requested for Yaya and Dybala, perhaps Ausilio wasn't convinced with the cost-benefit of these transfers. They ended up compromising to get Kondogbia and Jovetic instead. Its hard to say whether these two were Mancini's 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choices or even players Ausilio managed to convince Mancini on accepting...

We also know that Thohir wanted to make money on Inter's sale, so the budget constraint on Mancini & Ausilio was to only spend what you earn from transfers i.e. almost zero investment. So I am sure a lot of players that we bought were compromises. If I have to guess, I think we gave Mancini only 2-3 of his "first choice" players - Perisic, Miranda and possibly Candreva.

At this level, all coaches have some key strengths that they are very good at. IMO Mancini's main strength is transfers, and under the circumstances he did quite well - without spending much additional money, he left a much better squad than he inherited with players like Perisic, Miranda, Candreva, Brozovic, Banega, Murillo, Kondogbia, Eder, etc replacing the likes of Guarin, Kovacic, Hernanes, Juan, Dodo, Alvarez, Kuzmanovic, etc.

And this also explains why he left Inter. Mancini was quite vocal that he wanted a quality CB and Biglia. Inter (or rather Kia) wanted to buy Mario and Gabigol. But Mancini had "veto power" in his contract and he rejected the new 3 year contract which did not have "veto power", so there was an impasse. The only way out for Inter and Mancini was to terminate the contract. Why else do you think Inter let Mancini go 2 weeks before the season started after spending big on Candreva? Makes sense?
 

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so our management are genius , follow Kia to buy Gabigol rather than buy a CB to fix our defense.

and maybe hope Ranocchia become Nesta

not buy Biglia , maybe hope Melo or Medel become a beast this season.
 

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---------------handanovic---------------
Santon---murillo---miranda----ansaldi
---------------kondogbia---------------
-------j.mario------------banega--------
Candreva-------icardi------------perisic
 

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Surely you are not naive enough to believe that? In the Italian context, you can break down the coach's influence on transfers in 3 broad categories:

1. Negligible Influence: This is the most common model, where the Director of Sport (DoS) and the Onwer decide on transfers. Most clubs follow this, e.g. Udinese.

2. Suggestion: This is usually at big clubs, where the coach has some reputation/gravitas. The coach suggests the type of player he wants, and the DoS decides who to buy to fulfil the demand. Juve are a great example of how this works.

3. Veto Power: This is extremely rare, I have only seen this a few times usually in situations of a top coach at a dysfunctional club. From what I understand, Mancini put this as a condition in his contract. But even here the coach cannot buy who ever he wants, he has to work with the DoS and suggest players. He can however reject a player the DoS wants to buy.

This is still not english style where a coach gets a budget and can do whatever he wants. Clearly Mancini did not have that, coz otherwise in 2015 the first two players we bought would have been Yaya Toure and Dybala. In Italy the coach pretty much reports into the DoS. So when Mancini requested for Yaya and Dybala, perhaps Ausilio wasn't convinced with the cost-benefit of these transfers. They ended up compromising to get Kondogbia and Jovetic instead. Its hard to say whether these two were Mancini's 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choices or even players Ausilio managed to convince Mancini on accepting...

We also know that Thohir wanted to make money on Inter's sale, so the budget constraint on Mancini & Ausilio was to only spend what you earn from transfers i.e. almost zero investment. So I am sure a lot of players that we bought were compromises. If I have to guess, I think we gave Mancini only 2-3 of his "first choice" players - Perisic, Miranda and possibly Candreva.

At this level, all coaches have some key strengths that they are very good at. IMO Mancini's main strength is transfers, and under the circumstances he did quite well - without spending much additional money, he left a much better squad than he inherited with players like Perisic, Miranda, Candreva, Brozovic, Banega, Murillo, Kondogbia, Eder, etc replacing the likes of Guarin, Kovacic, Hernanes, Juan, Dodo, Alvarez, Kuzmanovic, etc.

And this also explains why he left Inter. Mancini was quite vocal that he wanted a quality CB and Biglia. Inter (or rather Kia) wanted to buy Mario and Gabigol. But Mancini had "veto power" in his contract and he rejected the new 3 year contract which did not have "veto power", so there was an impasse. The only way out for Inter and Mancini was to terminate the contract. Why else do you think Inter let Mancini go 2 weeks before the season started after spending big on Candreva? Makes sense?

Youre right. But even if a lot of players was only the 2nd choiche its still good considering that we are not Manchester City. Of course im not saying Mancini wanted Messi but as you said we got a Jovetic (15M) instead Dybala (more then 30M) and Kondogbia instead of Yaya which was also hard to get if you think how much money he wants every year (+20M or more). Kondogbia is also much younger.

When you think of Mazzarri that he wanted players like Hamsik and got only Alvarez.. thee is a big diffrence.


so our management are genius , follow Kia to buy Gabigol rather than buy a CB to fix our defense.

and maybe hope Ranocchia become Nesta

not buy Biglia , maybe hope Melo or Medel become a beast this season.

Thats why im saying that i still prefer Mancini to decide which players to get. At last Yaya Toure would play and is what we need instead of Melo/Medel :yao:
 

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This is the predicted lineup against Milan according to GdS:

INTER(4-2-3-1):Handanovic;Ansaldi,Miranda,Murillo,Santon;Medel,Joao Mario;Candreva,Banega,Perisic;Icardi

Their predictions have been really accurate so far this season.
 

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This is the predicted lineup against Milan according to GdS:

INTER(4-2-3-1):Handanovic;Ansaldi,Miranda,Murillo,Santon;Medel,Joao Mario;Candreva,Banega,Perisic;Icardi

Their predictions have been really accurate so far this season.

Nothing new here. Again Medel will struggle to make more than 3-4 passes forward. Icardi also will be isolated alone on the top, waiting countless crosses of Candreva and Perisic.
 

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This is the predicted lineup against Milan according to GdS:

INTER(4-2-3-1):Handanovic;Ansaldi,Miranda,Murillo,Santon;Medel,Joao Mario;Candreva,Banega,Perisic;Icardi

Their predictions have been really accurate so far this season.

I'd put Brozo in there instead of Banega
 

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Handa
Medel-Miranda-Murillo
Ansaldi/Candreva-JoaoMario-Brozo-Perisic
Banega
Eder/JoJo-Icardi

Medel played against Cavani and Suarez for Chile there...I think he can handle Bacca,Lapadula, Bonaventura and Niang...
He has Miranda to back him and Handa
Murillo had many difficulties against Messi but hey,he is the best football player on this planet,Here he gonna face Who?! Suso?!
RWB/RWM we have either Ansaldi who played there for Genova and was good af.Or for more crosses we have Candreva lel
Mario and Brozo can hold the mf with Ivan can play more attacking
Banega and JoJo can take the creativity department,maybe Eder for some speed bursts(he was decent against Germany)
Icardi to score against the so called cousins finally I hope

Not gonna happen tho


Tagliavento to ref the game... Lovely
 

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That back 4. :awyeah:

Suso and Niang must be licking their lips.

Watch out for Suso, one of the most gifted but underrated young talents in the league.
 

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Zapata,Paletta,G. Gomez ahahahahaha that df
Who is even G.Gomez ffs
And then we have Abate and De Sciglio phenomenal players

Icardi and Perisic must be licking their lips
Watchout for a Brozovic long ranger a la Stankovic leaving your brat kid GK watching like a turd

Fuck off Bbilanista where were you the past 4 years where you were content with 8th place...
 

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That back 4. :awyeah:

Suso and Niang must be licking their lips.

Watch out for Suso, one of the most gifted but underrated young talents in the league.
Yeah, all of Milan's players are amazing, we get that.

Now that you've completed your lifelong mission to enlighten Interisti around the globe about how awesome your favourite team is I guess it's time for a well-deserved rest on some Caribbean island for you.

Well deserved indeed.
 

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Are Inter fans always this agitated?

I guess it's because of Inter's position in the league, coupled with the thought of the inevitable embarrassment Inter is going to suffer on derby day.
 

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Are Inter fans always this agitated?

I guess it's because of Inter's position in the league, coupled with the thought of the inevitable embarrassment Inter is going to suffer on derby day.

:lol:

....

Suck on these big irish balls
 

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Niang is 5x better than Brozovic.

Fans of Italian football still have that "ic" bias.

Brozovic is absolutely useless...Inter fucked up by selling Kovacic.


That back 4. :awyeah:

Suso and Niang must be licking their lips.

Watch out for Suso, one of the most gifted but underrated young talents in the league.

typical Bbilan fan.
 

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Are Inter fans always this agitated?

I guess it's because of Inter's position in the league, coupled with the thought of the inevitable embarrassment Inter is going to suffer on derby day.

Are you being serious? Because from all of your posts you have made me laugh a lot by now, and I just can't think if you're delusional or you're just trying to convince yourself in a forum that Milan will beat Inter?
 

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Don't ban him, until after the game depending on the result.
 

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It's not like he'll show up anyway after Brozovic :unsure:'s his way through the impenetrable Milan defence.
 
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