Rafael Benítez

[YNWALFC]

No problem with that Luka for me any club that can win a Euro is a top club.
Which brings me to our recent transfers of Torres and Konchesky.
One went to a two times winner of the European cup on loan, the other went to one of the small London clubs ¦)

PS Azzkikr It really wasn'

 

[Stefan]

You're right about timeframe, but I wouldn't cross already the guy. There were coaches who kinda "resurfaced" after several years. Best example was Van Gaal.

In my personal opinion, either it was bad luck, or it just wasn't meant to be, Benitez is much better coach/manager than he "showed" in 6 months with Inter.

Second issue is... whether we say is he good manager now, or overall? Now... it would be easier to convince he ain't good now, but overally I would say he deserves some respect.

"rafa is a good manager but he is not great. Inter requires great..."

Well, as you saw, I wasn't arguing against not calling him great, but against rating him solely on the base of his 6 months with Inter, and calling him crap.

ps. Obviously Inter deserves best. Who said otherwise ? -_-

Van Gaal never really disappeared. He went to AZ who were a very small team and turned them into challengers and eventual dutch champs.

On rafa respect is earned not given and you need to continuously perform to maintain it. Same as I don't respect wenger as a great manager and I don't respect Rafa as great manager because they haven't won any major trophy for years. If you are a great manager you continue to win...

 

[Luka]

Van Gaal never really disappeared. He went to AZ who were a very small team and turned them into challengers and eventual dutch champs.

Well he went to AZ in 2005. What did he do since he left Barca in 2000?

And this is being genorous, cause it took him a while with AZ to rebuild his reputation. It took him 5 years, since a big club again knocked on his door.

So in this regard, it lasted almost 10 years, until he got another shot in big club so I think we can consider him as one from that group.

On rafa respect is earned not given and you need to continuously perform to maintain it. Same as I don't respect wenger as a great manager and I don't respect Rafa as great manager because they haven't won any major trophy for years. If you are a great manager you continue to win...

What would you say about Trapattoni?

I understand the rule "you're as good as your last game", but lets try to keep some sense of reason here.

 

[YNWALFC]

The issue with these achievements is that the last big trophy he won is 6 years ago. He has regressed a lot between his valencia/early lfc days and now. Great managers continue to win big trophies, rafa is a good manager but he is not great. Inter requires great...

You may be right from a trophy's won perspective but the economics of football play too big a part in winning, for that to be the only yard stick.
Playing wise 08/09 was the best football i'd seen in over 20 years and that was less than 2 years ago.
ps the FA cup is quite a big cup in Ingurland.

 

[Stefan]

Trap won with benfica and real salzburg,failed with stutgart and has mostly managed national teams since. Can't compare that to club management.

Van gaal: 2000-2002 he failed with holland and then had short return stint with barca which didn't last. He was linked to the man utd job when fergie said he would retire but then changed his mind. I think van gaal himself said that he was approached and the deal was very close till fergie changed his mind. So I didn't see where this 10 year stint away from big clubs come since he had the failed barca job, holland job and the strong man utd link.

 

[Stefan]

You may be right from a trophy's won perspective but the economics of football play too big a part in winning, for that to be the only yard stick.
Playing wise 08/09 was the best football i'd seen in over 20 years and that was less than 2 years ago.
ps the FA cup is quite a big cup in Ingurland.

It is the only yard stick that I and most interisti will ever use, sorry if its unfair to dear old Rafa...Playing nice is irrelevant if it doesn't come with winning.

The FA cup might be big in england but I only consider the cl and the countries league to matter so for my criteria the fa cup and all the other small cups do not matter. Sorry if for the english fans but that's the way I judge things. Feel free to disagree.

 

[Trippi]

What my problem with Rafa at Liverpool,apart from the nonsensical string of transfers was that when it was clear that the owners wont give him the authority that he wanted either he should have worked within the limitations set by them or he should have made clear in public that Boss i want these powers otherwise i cant work. But he continued to work in those conditions which led to him going nowhere.

You can take the example of Fergusson, after the Glazers took over it became clear to him that situations have changed because of owners debt etc, he worked within those conditions and maintained his consistency.

 

[b4h4mooth]

data and statictic ...BAH....

this person only talk data and statistic bla bla bla.....

no wonder he like to sit on inter bech counting and writing on his note book writing :

1. how many burger did i eat this morning
2. how many chicken wings did i eat this evening
3. do i only eat burger and chicken wings? nahh..i forget to write spagetti and
french frice
4. ups,tomorrow i have to run 2 km..and buy BIG MAC for my dinner

now that some data and statistic for that fat man

no wonder Inter play like shit under him

 

[Sid]

data and statictic ...BAH....

this person only talk data and statistic bla bla bla.....

no wonder he like to sit on inter bech counting and writing on his note book writing :

1. how many burger did i eat this morning
2. how many chicken wings did i eat this evening
3. do i only eat burger and chicken wings? nahh..i forget to write spagetti and
french frice
4. ups,tomorrow i have to run 2 km..and buy BIG MAC for my dinner

now that some data and statistic for that fat man

no wonder Inter play like shit under him

 

[cloudq]

come on, agnelli make it happen

i bet those juventini are shitting themselves at the prospect of rafa at the head of their bench

as if their current form isnt poor enough

 

[blackmore]

Benitez against doctors Inter
"See? Injuries continue"

The former coach of Inter, "I and my staff did not control the recovery and treatment that the medical team did against the players. After we left eight injured in a new month. During the winter? E 'confirmation that we were right, the team was changed "

LONDON, February 9, 2011 - The new Milito's injury, the fifth season, brings attention to recovery from physical problems. Inter at home you start to talk about nursing, rehabilitation and medical staff. So does Rafa Benitez, in a long interview with Spanish newspaper Marca, which touches on various issues, including Inter, Real Madrid, Liverpool and future. But those who make more noise, we have the statements on his adventure Inter.
accidents and medical staff - Benitez has always suffered from the criticism of those who showed his preparation as a cause of accidents in repetition. Now points out: "On the issue of injury and the effects of Inter's players, I want to emphasize certain information to avoid being misunderstood as 80% of players with injuries they had had similar in the two previous years. I and my staff did not control the recovery and treatment that the medical team did against the players. The treatment and recovery they were things. After that we went away from Inter, there were 8 accidents in almost a month, excluding holidays. I am sure that Roberto Mancini will find all the family. "

the exemption - then Benitez also analyzes the exemption, but does not attack the team: "Some players have pledged more, some less, but it happens after a year with so many victories. Because I was relieved only after the end of December that if they were already talking about a month and a half earlier? Why Moratti knew how we work and the difficulties we encounter every day. I hope things go well, but there were no conditions to go forward, so we reached an agreement to termination. My adventure had begun and we played fairly well, but injuries have changed a bit 'everything, including the internal dynamics. And week after week they changed their minds about us, depending on the outcome of the match ...".

Milito and Pazzini. LaPressethe market for leonardo - Another open wound is in the market. After winning the World had asked for four acquisitions, revealing that the non-summer market was a surprise. Now confirms the concept, especially after the market buy entire winter, "Why I did not buy in the summer? Do not know and I was the first to be surprised. I could not believe: in August, I had asked for a project to improve the team, I have put in writing and managers liked it, but was not implemented. " Then came the purchase of Leonardo: "Five items bought and sold six: Now the team is practically new. See part of my project implemented now makes me think. It 's a clear recognition of the fact that we were right, that the team needed adjustments. "

Gasport

 

[Luka]

Van gaal: 2000-2002 he failed with holland and then had short return stint with barca which didn't last. He was linked to the man utd job when fergie said he would retire but then changed his mind. I think van gaal himself said that he was approached and the deal was very close till fergie changed his mind. So I didn't see where this 10 year stint away from big clubs come since he had the failed barca job, holland job and the strong man utd link.

Ok, I think we kinda went off the center of my point, and even though I disagree with you on that, could speak more about "when you 'dissapear', when you don't 'dissapear'" and if Van Gaal did it, nothing could be done with the conclusion, so I think it's not whortwhile to keep discussing that.

Lets go back 1 step to how it began. I've said:
"There were coaches who kinda "resurfaced" after several years. Best example was Van Gaal."

So my focus was not whether Van Gaal "dissapeared" or not, but that he resurfuced(to the top - club - football), and I brought it as an example that the same story can happen with Benitez. So Van Gaal leaves Barca(top club) in not good atmosfere, he fails in Holland, then go backs for a little while to Barca, fails again, and after couple years, he goes to AZ which we can't exactly call the top club, not even in Holland which should say it all. So I think you see my point, that he DID resurfuced when he was appointed by Bayern.

And this was my point, when I've said I won't cross out Benitez just yet. He can have the same road.

Trap won with benfica and real salzburg,failed with stutgart and has mostly managed national teams since. Can't compare that to club management.

This again went off(not to none of my aid), cause you kinda sticked to the "respect" word that wasn't focus of my point, and whether Trap fits your criteria or not, lets leave it. So lets go again to the start. I've said:

"If you had coach (anonymous) who won all this stuff, and somebody asked you based on those achievements, is he crap/good/average/best, you would probably say, he must be at least a good coach if he won all that."

For which you replied:

"Great managers continue to win big trophies, rafa is a good manager but he is not great."

So you agreed with me(that he should still be considered good coach, and not crap), which makes case closed for me.

 

[il Biscione 84]

data and statictic ...BAH....

this person only talk data and statistic bla bla bla.....

no wonder he like to sit on inter bech counting and writing on his note book writing :

1. how many burger did i eat this morning
2. how many chicken wings did i eat this evening
3. do i only eat burger and chicken wings? nahh..i forget to write spagetti and
french frice
4. ups,tomorrow i have to run 2 km..and buy BIG MAC for my dinner

now that some data and statistic for that fat man

no wonder Inter play like shit under him

Lol

MILAN - Inter president Massimo Moratti answered some questions put to him by journalists as he left the Saras offices this evening.

inter.it brings you his comments in full:

Have you heard Rafael Benitez's remarks about Inter's current injury problems?

"Let's just say that, given Inter's recent results, we could have imagined a reaction like that from Benitez. I can understand him on a human level."

Have you spoken to doctor Combi [Inter's chief of medical staff]?

"No, but I expect he was a bit upset by the comments. Combi has been at Inter for years and he is one of the mainstays of the club, so if Benitez was insinuating that the club doctor is to blame for the injuries then I'm afraid he's mistaken."

Have you been surprised yourself by Milito's repeated injury problems, mostly of which have been on the same leg? Do you think something might not have worked properly?

"It must have been Benitez's prayers [he smiles]. Unfortunately this is something we need to look at very carefully. He certainly needs to have a longer period of rest and it's not something that requires heavy treatment.

 

[Suneet]

If it was someone anonyous Luka, I'd have respect for him. I also had teh same when we signed up Benitez.

But then after a long list of mistakes he made and the way he lost control of the squad and the sheer arrogance and stupidity he displayed that he is/was superly over-rated, probably the most over-rated coach in the world. He might be a decent tactician, we never got to see it, but a good coach needs to be atleast decent in his worst abilities and Rafa isnt...

 

[YNWALFC]

What my problem with Rafa at Liverpool,apart from the nonsensical string of transfers was that when it was clear that the owners wont give him the authority that he wanted either he should have worked within the limitations set by them or he should have made clear in public that Boss i want these powers otherwise i cant work. But he continued to work in those conditions which led to him going nowhere.

You can take the example of Fergusson, after the Glazers took over it became clear to him that situations have changed because of owners debt etc, he worked within those conditions and maintained his consistency.

You say "nonsensical string of tranfers" care to expand on that?
Then you say the ownership problems was to do with having authority and he should of worked within the limitations set by the "owners". My god do you have any idea at all about why those parasites you call "owners" were at Liverpool, do you think it was for football reasons ? Little clue in 3 years LFC went from CL final to the brink of administration for every penny Morrati put into Inter they took more out of Liverpool. If Rafa had left in say 2007 they would of installed a yes man like Roy and the firesale would of consumed the club and LFC would of done a Leeds United and ended up in League 1 (3rd tier).

As for Slur Alex (who took 7 years to win a trophy )bending over and taking it in the arse from the Glazers telling lifelong fans who protested against the LBO to "go support Chelsea".Meanwhile the Glazers take 70 mill a year out of the club and have currently run up debts of approx 1.2 billion.They have also sold the Carrington institute ( accadamy )which Ferguscum once described as his baby, while he chooses to ignore whats happening and find solace at the bottom of a whisky bottle,mainly because he's on a crusade to enhance his own personal record.
Then again where else could he go.
Inter really are lucky to have MM he has insulated you lot from the scary economics of football.
PS Check out FC United of Manchester great club, great fans who didn't go support Chelsea.

PPS Blackmore that interview wasn't with Maca they just copied and pasted from a BBC interview from the transcript it seems its been through the google translator a couple of times.

 

[A.l.i]

It must have been Benitez's prayers [he smiles]. Unfortunately this is something we need to look at very carefully. He certainly needs to have a longer period of rest and it's not something that requires heavy treatment.

 

[blackmore]

PPS Blackmore that interview wasn't with Maca they just copied and pasted from a BBC interview from the transcript it seems its been through the google translator a couple of times.

dude i got it from gds which to me is a pretty reliable source, although sometimes sways its thoughts in inter favour. so i dont know how it ended up there and whatnot.

 

[YNWALFC]

Stefan i see your point about the FA cup and that the League is bigger but the PL has only ever been won by the richest clubs with the most expensive squads when LFC finished 2nd in 08/09 the Mancs squad cost over 100 mill more than ours the points difference equate's to 25 mill per point it is widely regarded that we had the best team but its the best squad that wins the PL. "Favours" play a big part aswell and David Gill ensures those "favours" go to MUFA.
Moving on to your theory that great managers continue to win regardless and i know you think "The Special ***** One" ¦)
is great but if he doesn't win La Liga or the CL this year, will he still be great or will he be demoted to a good manager ?

 

[NimAraya]

Let's just say Benitez is not a bad coach or crappy coach or whatever people label him for his failure with Inter. He was just not at the right place, at the time. He didn't seem ready for the Inter challenge and couldn't adapt to italian philosphy as well as getting rid of the heavy shadow of Mourinho upon this team. I don't judge his qualities base on his 6 months spell with Inter, but anyhow he wasn't a success in here and a departure was inevitable.

 

[Stefan]

Stefan i see your point about the FA cup and that the League is bigger but the PL has only ever been won by the richest clubs with the most expensive squads when LFC finished 2nd in 08/09 the Mancs squad cost over 100 mill more than ours the points difference equate's to 25 mill per point it is widely regarded that we had the best team but its the best squad that wins the PL. "Favours" play a big part aswell and David Gill ensures those "favours" go to MUFA.
Moving on to your theory that great managers continue to win regardless and i know you think "The Special ***** One" ¦)
is great but if he doesn't win La Liga or the CL this year, will he still be great or will he be demoted to a good manager ?

Considering mou won the treble the previous year, no it would not make only good if he failed this year. But if he were to go the rafa and wenger route and not win a major trophy for 6 years then yes he would get himself relegated to the good instead of great managers. But knowing mou there is virtually no chance of that happening to him...