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How come my argument doesn't stick? Lol

Same age, similar style of play, similar physique, both talented, both used to play in Serie A and both were very promising players some time ago. Also, they both played for few seasons in Serie A and not just a few months loan. So they had time to settle.

Now both are in a different league and not doing so well.

A better comparison can't be made!

You're right. What I actually want to say is I really don't care what anyone thinks about it, I'd take Jojo if I had a choice between all the players rumoured - but that's just me. Whatever the management thinks is best at the end of the day. I don't think the Salah move will pan out but if does, kudos. I'd hate for us to miss out on both and buy some crappy last minute replacement. That is something all of us can agree on!
 

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welcome to inter, jojo. good luck
 

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The stat was an (admittedly simplistic) illustration of why Jovetic hasn't been garbage in BPL, not really a comparison to Pato though I did make it sound that way. Clearly, scoring in the Premiership is worth more than in a South American league, and Pato's stats would need to be a lot better there than Jovetic's in the prem for them to be comparable imo.

Ok, so you say Pato must have scored more goals because he is in an inferior legue? Fair enough, I agree. But in return Pato would cost much less than Jovetic, right?

If they are going to stay in the treatment room all the time, does it matter how talented they are or how many goals they've scored in their previous club?
 

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You're right. What I actually want to say is I really don't care what anyone thinks about it, I'd take Jojo if I had a choice between all the players rumoured - but that's just me. Whatever the management thinks is best at the end of the day. I don't think the Salah move will pan out but if does, kudos. I'd hate for us to miss out on both and buy some crappy last minute replacement. That is something all of us can agree on!


Thank you. That's what I'm trying to say! People just want Jovetic because they like him and I completely understand that. But I hate it when people try to justify buying Jovetic with rediculous arguemnts and hide behind ifs and buts.

Quit mentioning his Fiorentina time and quit saying 'if he stays healthy' or 'if he regains fitness' and just say 'I want him because I like him'. Easy and simple.

There are no rational arguements for signing Jovetic for that rumored price.
 

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Only Pato has never stayed regularly fit, Jovetic has. Pato is fat, jovetic isnt. Patos main stregth is pace and acceleration with decent finishing, Jojos is creativity and brain. Jojo is pure intelligence and much more stable player, mentality wise.

See the difference? In fact, they are nothing alike as you suggested, style wise.
 

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22m is really out there tbh. wtf are they smoking in city? then again he looks pretty good on youtube. :yao:
 

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Only Pato has never stayed regularly fit, Jovetic has. Pato is fat, jovetic isnt. Patos main stregth is pace and acceleration with decent finishing, Jojos is creativity and brain. Jojo is pure intelligence and much more stable player, mentality wise.

See the difference? In fact, they are nothing alike as you suggested, style wise.

I disagree!

He has a much better injury history than Jovetic. http://www.transfermarkt.com/alexandre-pato/verletzungen/spieler/37579

Pato isn't fat at all. Have you seen him recently? Do you have a source for what you are claiming?

Last season Pato and Jovetic had the same amount of assists. Ok I admit, jovetic is more creative but IMO Pato is a better finisher, more technical and has a better balance.

Mentality-wise I think they are about the same but anyways that can't be measured and it's subjective.mso no point arguing about that.

They are very similar and I mentioned the similarities! Obviously they are not freaking twins! If we want to follow your rules then no player is comparable to another and we should just quit comparing players all together.
 

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Pato in a shit Brazilian league,Jovetic in EPL...nuff said!
 

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Pato in a shit Brazilian league,Jovetic in EPL...nuff said!

I'm sorry but your post is just dumb. At first I wanted to ignore you but you are a good poster and I don't think you were trolling so I try to explain it to you:

It's relly simple. Just because a player is in an inferior league, doesn't mean he is worse.

Also Pato costs about the half!


Again, just to clarify, I am not suggesting we should sign Pato. All I'm saying is signing Jovetic for 22 million is as retarded as signing Pato for 22 million.

Ok fine! He is in an inferior league? I agree and that's why he would cost less. Would you sign Pato for 15 million?
 

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I consider Jojo on a significant higer level than Pato...never rated Pato tbh. Even on his glory days at Bbilan.
I always liked Jojo though...even if he didn't play much at City...when he did he wasn't below par,actually better than Dzeko tbh.

Both fucked by injuries...but Pato was fucked more I think.

A lot of clubs still want Jovetic(Pool wanted him apparently but his priority is to return to Italy where he did well at Fiora)
Who wants Pato back in Europe ?!

I would gamble on Jovetic..he could turn out G.Rossi or maybe not since this guy could help him

http://inter.theoffside.com/2015/1/18/7648369/inter-milan-sign-andreji-milutinovic-fiitness-coach

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Also Pato is more Icardi-esque this days...we need a SS and Jojo is one of those.

I wanted Dybala or Vietto idealy but...I'll take Jojo no problem!

I also think Jojo is more complete than Salah technically speaking.
 

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Jojo is class to the point where he's absolutely worth the gamble of bringing him in. No one is naive enough to think he's going to come in and play every single one of Inter's matches for the next 5 seasons.

From a tactical point of view, he's a perfect fit for our attack
 

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Nah, only the quality ones. Or at least the ones I know tbh. At least spell his name right :p

22m is really out there tbh. wtf are they smoking in city? then again he looks pretty good on youtube. :yao:

He has looked good whenever he played on the pitch.

I disagree!

He has a much better injury history than Jovetic. http://www.transfermarkt.com/alexandre-pato/verletzungen/spieler/37579
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You do know transferarmkt counts only more serious injuries and rarely small ones, AND they also started doing that only a year ago, right? Historically speaking, jovetic has had two injury free seasons. Pato has had none. That's enough for me.

I disagree!


Pato isn't fat at all. Have you seen him recently? Do you have a source for what you are claiming?

I did watch few games of Sau Paulo. Never seen him in Corinthians. He looked uninterested and sluggish, slow and selfish. Had few decent attempts for goal and that's it. No invovment in the play whatsoever.

Don't you think him being loaned in BRAZILIAN league counts for something? Or that the Corinthians president said he can't sell Pato as no one wants him, and he prays for the day Pato will leave?

I disagree!

Last season Pato and Jovetic had the same amount of assists. Ok I admit, jovetic is more creative but IMO Pato is a better finisher, more technical and has a better balance.

Assists is not really good judgment of creativity. Also, i agree Pato is better finisher, but that's it. No way he has better technique than Jovetic. Him being better dribbler and 1 on 1 player doesn't mean he has better techique. Jovetic is pure technical player, not physical one! Oh and he is faster, which is kinda a problem when you are injury prone and one of your main attributes is pace, don't you think?

Mentality-wise I think they are about the same but anyways that can't be measured and it's subjective.mso no point arguing about that.

Not true. I measure mentality by the players work ethic and attitude on the pitch when it's not going good for him. When Pato is doing bad, he becomes elfish, tries too much. Corinthians boss also said he loves clubbing. Jovetic on the other hand, has ALWAYS performed on the pitch. Never does something for HIM, but for the CLUB. Is rarely selfish, and always looks for a pass.

They are very similar and I mentioned the similarities! Obviously they are not freaking twins! If we want to follow your rules then no player is comparable to another and we should just quit comparing players all together.

And i just mentioned differences. They are not similar! Pato is CF, Jovetic is SS/wide forward. Pato is goalscoring player when fit, jovetic is creative one, who can ALSO score. Jovetic is like let's say Del Piero, and Pato is like lets say Ronaldo, obvious both less quality than the mentioned.. Way different.
 

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I consider Jojo on a significant higer level than Pato...never rated Pato tbh. Even on his glory days at Bbilan.
I always liked Jojo though...even if he didn't play much at City...when he did he wasn't below par,actually better than Dzeko tbh.

Both fucked by injuries...but Pato was fucked more I think.

A lot of clubs still want Jovetic(Pool wanted him apparently but his priority is to return to Italy where he did well at Fiora)
Who wants Pato back in Europe ?!

I would gamble on Jovetic..he could turn out G.Rossi or maybe not since this guy could help him

http://inter.theoffside.com/2015/1/18/7648369/inter-milan-sign-andreji-milutinovic-fiitness-coach

This is a post I understand and appreciate.

About the injuries, Jovetic's injuries have been much worse as you could see for youself with the links I provided above.

Being wanted by other clubs is not a measure of how good a player is. Even if it was, Joveic is discussed more simply because he is in Europe and specially in EPL. The league is more famous and their newspapers are read by more people around the world so it's normal to hear about Jovetic more. Again, non of this means Jovetic is a better player.

You are a fan of Jovetic, plain and simple. So are many others on this forum and it's completely understandable. But please stop justifying your choice with weak arguments and just say I am a fan!
 

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Jojo is the 2nd player who as a kid reminded me of one of my all time favourites - Roberto Baggio. The first player who as a kid reminded me of Baggio was Messi. Jojo is a rare talent, there is something very pure about the way he plays football - this skill is lost in that power-n-pace league in England. I know his injury history. But to me, watching Jojo in an Inter shirt has been a dream for a while. I think he will bring joy whenever he touches the ball. I think he will get all the fans behind him, screaming with a passion that has been missing for a while at our club... just like the divine ponytail.

When Roberto Baggio joined Inter, I was overjoyed. Yeah, it did not help us much from a sporting perspective... nothing could have helped that team because Moratti only wanted to buy strikers. But just the fact that I could buy an Inter shirt with the name BAGGIO was a gift in itself, a gift I have preserved to this day. I still remember that game against Real Madrid in 1999-2000 CL like it was yesterday, where Baggio came off the bench to score 2 goals. Those kind of memories are priceless.

Hopefully Jojo will give us a few such memories to preserve. If nothing else, at least I will get a Inter shirt with the name JOVETIC. I want Jojo just for the joy he will bring.
 

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And... Lets agree to disagree Seyedo bro. We are not even linked to Pato. If we were, the debate would be ok, this way it's pointless.
 

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Nah, only the quality ones. Or at least the ones I know tbh. At least spell his name right :p



He has looked good whenever he played on the pitch.



You do know transferarmkt counts only more serious injuries and rarely small ones, AND they also started doing that only a year ago, right? Historically speaking, jovetic has had two injury free seasons. Pato has had none. That's enough for me.



I did watch few games of Sau Paulo. Never seen him in Corinthians. He looked uninterested and sluggish, slow and selfish. Had few decent attempts for goal and that's it. No invovment in the play whatsoever.

Don't you think him being loaned in BRAZILIAN league counts for something? Or that the Corinthians president said he can't sell Pato as no one wants him, and he prays for the day Pato will leave?



Assists is not really good judgment of creativity. Also, i agree Pato is better finisher, but that's it. No way he has better technique than Jovetic. Him being better dribbler and 1 on 1 player doesn't mean he has better techique. Jovetic is pure technical player, not physical one! Oh and he is faster, which is kinda a problem when you are injury prone and one of your main attributes is pace, don't you think?



Not true. I measure mentality by the players work ethic and attitude on the pitch when it's not going good for him. When Pato is doing bad, he becomes elfish, tries too much. Corinthians boss also said he loves clubbing. Jovetic on the other hand, has ALWAYS performed on the pitch. Never does something for HIM, but for the CLUB. Is rarely selfish, and always looks for a pass.



And i just mentioned differences. They are not similar! Pato is CF, Jovetic is SS/wide forward. Pato is goalscoring player when fit, jovetic is creative one, who can ALSO score. Jovetic is like let's say Del Piero, and Pato is like lets say Ronaldo, obvious both less quality than the mentioned.. Way different.

Pato had no injury-free seasons?! Pato has had more injury-free seasons than Jovetic. Even if you want to talk about the recent injuries, Pato has been almost injury-free for the past two seasons. In total Jovetic has been more injured than Pato. No discussion about it. If you still disagree and not satisfied with transfermarkt you can provide sources and we discuss it.

Jovetic is more creative but it's not like Pato is one dimentional! He can play on wings just fine as he does sometimes. http://www.transfermarkt.com/alexandre-pato/profil/spieler/37579#subnavi

Jovetic is more creative and Pato is a better finisher. But I wouldn't spend even half of the rumored priced for any of them!

Quotes about the president. I'll give you that but:
1- I never said Pato is a good player. I'm just saying that they are both bad.
2- Since when do we trust what presidents say? you yourself probably know better how some presidents are crazy. We certainly have enough of them in Italy alone.
3- When Barca sold Ibra to Milan their president (IIRC it was their president) came out and said that they were stuck with Ibra and if Milan hadn't offered to sign him they would've not known what to do with him. Now it's 4 years later and he is still one of the best in the world. No, I'm not comparing Pato to Ibra but I'm just saying that presidents don't always know what they are talking about.

To sum up, they are both 25 year old forwards capable of playing on the wings, who are very talented, extremely Injury-prone, technical and once in a time did well in Serie A but now have declined drastically. One is a better finisher and faster, other is more creative. But by no means money should be spent on any of them certainly not 22 million and even more certainly, not by a financially struggling team.

Edit: sorry just saw you last post. Yes I agree and I know we are not linked to Pato but I was trying to explain why this 22 million deal doesn't make sense to me and that because many are a fan of Jovetic, they tend to forget his weaknesses.

Anyways as you said let's just agree to disagree. I just want to thank you for your good manners and the civilized discussion.

Just so you know, I'm not a Jovetic hater and I prefer him over Salah as I think he fits our style of play much better :D
 
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Could we pls just sign Jojo instead of waiting for Salah. In the end we will wait so long that we wont get Jojo and then not even Salah :p
 

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Sky insists that Jovetic is the alternative to Salah...
 
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