The anti-vuvuzela thread

[brehme1989]

Are you on drugs?

Drums are part of FOOTBALL. In 90% of the football nations, the fans use drums. The fans also use THEIR VOICES. That's what football is about.

I don't care if South Africans use vuvuzelas for their games. I can easily not watch that. But when around 60% of the fans in the stadium are South Africans and random teams are playing I FACKING HATE HEARING THAT SOUND!!!

If New Zealand hosted the Rugby World Cup would you see them doing the Hakka and yelling while others played?

The problem is that this "culture" has tried to be stopped even by the main participants of the tournament(players)

It's a WORLD CUP, not South African cup. Heck, only Ghana was the African team post-group stage.

There's really not a single positive thing that can be said about the vuvuzelas. Actually, the South Africans proved culture-less by blowing their vuvuzelas for a whole month, whoever was playing, and even during anthems in the beginning!!! You can't defend it. It's not culture. Unless you live at most during the Medieval...

 

[rfU]

Drums are part of FOOTBALL. In 90% of the football nations, the fans use drums. The fans also use THEIR VOICES. That's what football is about.

Football is about supporting your team mate, whether its chanting, singing, stripping naked, doing fucking cartwheels and oh, blowing a vuvuzela.

I don't care if South Africans use vuvuzelas for their games. I can easily not watch that. But when around 60% of the fans in the stadium are South Africans and random teams are playing I FACKING HATE HEARING THAT SOUND!!!

all i can say is you're in the minority mate. I know a couple of people who went and they had a blast. I also know vuvuzela were selling out and fast. So what does that tell you?

If New Zealand hosted the Rugby World Cup would you see them doing the Hakka and yelling while others played?

THey will be next year and they will chant the Hakka before every game as they've done countless times before. Some people find it offensive, but they're in the minority so no one gives a fuck about them.

There's really not a single positive thing that can be said about the vuvuzelas. Actually, the South Africans proved culture-less by blowing their vuvuzelas for a whole month, whoever was playing, and even during anthems in the beginning!!! You can't defend it. It's not culture. Unless you live at most during the Medieval...

Erm, the south africans weren't the only ones blowing the vuvuzleas mate. Just look at the footage. A couple of players complained but everyone was too busy having a good time, enjoying the experience. You're just hating because there isn't a damn thing you could do about it ANd I'm not sure why keep associating horns with war... it's stupid. Drums were too you know? As well as war songs, dances and chants. Football is a bit like waging war with the pitch as the battle ground. Vuvuzelas are part of the South Africann game mate, the WC was hosted in SA, the vuvuzelas gave it a unqiue feel and on the whole it was a successful and fun world cup, for the majority anyway. If you want to waste your time hating a simple instrument, that's cool but again, the majority of people, espeically those that were in attendance had a blast.

 

[Handoyo]

Yuko, I think 90% of the people who blew the vuvuzela were foreigners.

2 of them were me and my bro.

 

[maxw]

I have one aswell now Drove through the city and honked at everyone

 

[brehme1989]

Man, do we speak the same language here?

I say rugby is on, England vs South Africa or whatever... and the New Zealanders do the Hakka or whatever throughout the whole game!!!!! Is that sensible to you???

Blowing the vuvuzela is not part of supporting your team for over 25 of the 32 teams participating in the World Cup. It was blown in EVERY game. It dominated every World Cup game. How is it called supporting your team when your team is not playing? You know what it's called when your team is not playing? Intruding. Noisy. A nuisance. It's not a fun sound to hear for 90 minutes long when you don't want to hear it! As for why even foreigners blew them. There's a saying "if you can't beat them, join them". Chanting was sort of forbidden by the overwhelming droning sound.

There were talks about this being the worst World Cup tournament. Well, the vuvuzelas enhances those opinions cause even the players didn't want them and it drove them crazy.

Han, there's no way 90% were foreigners. Over half the people in most games were South African and some of them even had two of those bloody things!

As for why everyone got one.... You do realise that there was nothing else to sell in terms of "football merchandise" right? South Africa is not a football nation. They tricked their own people(the black people of S.A actually) into blowing those and "creating culture" so they had something to show for. Check those videos/news feeds on vuvuzelas. People don't even know why they have them or how they came.


Really looking forward for the rest of my life with no vuvuzela sounds in football...

 

[brehme1989]

dp

 

[Handoyo]

90% was exaggeration of course.

But I was seated among Malaysians, Japanese and Koreans all around, and ALL of them blew the vuvuzelas.

It's a tourist thing really. You heard about the vuvus and you see them being sold all over the place that you ended up buying it and blowing it.

 

[Stefan]

As for why everyone got one.... You do realise that there was nothing else to sell in terms of "football merchandise" right? South Africa is not a football nation. They tricked their own people(the black people of S.A actually) into blowing those and "creating culture" so they had something to show for. Check those videos/news feeds on vuvuzelas. People don't even know why they have them or how they came.

Define a football nation. Football/Soccer is the number one sport in SA and the only sport with a 24 hour dedicated channel in the country. SA was one of the first federations to actually join fifa when it was created.

What footballing merchandise did you want the local vendors to sell?? I am sure the foreign fans would have loved the local club shirts when they have no idea who plays for them.

Also the vuvuzela was not introduced by a white guy so please explain this tricking the black people into using them.

 

[brehme1989]

You live in SA, you know what I mean when I say that about tricking the black people. White people are usually rugby fans, you even said it yourself. It doesn't take a white person to trick black people, or vice versa. It's the "market" they were aiming at.

Since SA has nothing to offer to football fans really in terms of merchandise. Hence they needed to create something.

And Han... Malaysians, Japanese, Koreans etc.. seriously? They are in love with anything that is considered 'in'. Popcorn fans who support teams because of a player that has a nice haircut etc. Those who LOVE FOOTBALL, hate the vuvuzelas.

People WHO LOVE FOOTBALL, even shout at their wives/girlfriends while sitting on their couches just because they chew their salads hard. People who LOVE FOOTBALL, want to concentrate during the game and have no sound other than the fans(actual fans, not droning horns) and the sportscaster.

Brazil will teach the world how to host international tournaments.

A football nation is a nation that breathes football.
There's also nations that are sports nations. That have people who love many sports(3+), but there's always the primary sport that gives joy/is more watched.

Examples:
England is a sports nation. 1) Football, Rugby & Cricket, don't know the order, I don't follow those sports.
Argentina & Brazil are sports nations. They are mostly into football, but there's also great support for volleyball, basketball, beach soccer(Brazil), grass hockey(Argentina) etc.
Portugal on the other hand, is a football nation.
That also makes Pakistan a cricket nation I guess.
USA is not a football nation.

A football nation is one that when football is on, they ignore everything else that is going on. And usually those nations have good teams... Argentina, Brazil, England, Italy, Spain.
And those, football, nations are made up of populations who think football is one of the most important things in life.

Most of Europe & South America (& Mexico) = football

Can you honestly say that MAJORITY populations in countries like South Africa, China etc give a fack about football? They don't even have competitive leagues of their own. Europe & South America have riots for football... That's a football nation. Have a darn "civil war" just because of a sport.

You make it sound like FIFA=football and that football is something that is just paperwork

 

[Stefan]

When did I say white people prefer rugby? Pretty sure I said afrikaans people. If you go and look at all the different groups, of the 13 groups with official language recognition 11 have football as their main sport.

As for the leaguea not being competitive that has to do with it being under financed for 40 years due to the country being under afrikaans rule.

Also if riots equal being a football nation then I guess a stampede as SA has had would qualify the country.

 

[brehme1989]

Riots were metaphorical... if you lived in a football nations you'd understand that and your statement proves my point.

As for the rugby being a "white sport", it was 'It's on man' who stated that, not you apparently, sorry for that. (check page 3)

 

[Handoyo]

Well whether you like it or not, 90% of the World Cup attendees nowadays are popcorn fans.

Look, I'm not pro-vuvuzela here. But what I'm saying is, it's not just about FIFA preaching SA culture or whatnots. But it's also about them trying to milk as much money out of tournament as possible.

I won't be surprised if in Brazil in 2014, there will be some gimmick like the vuvuzela that are sold and bought by most fans. Be it a mask or a drum or whatever.

 

[brehme1989]

I'm pretty sure, no matter what merchandise the Brazilians will have to sell, they will not ruin what they love most in the world.

I had a long post but I accidentally deleted it instead of ctrl +c, so I'll stop here. I was gonna say that it was the worst World Cup that I've witnessed and had bunch of articles as well who said that.
Blame it on the ball, refereeing, terrible group stage, irritating atmosphere, stadiums that looked half-empty or had many vacant seats(Stefan will go on about capacity being larger... but then you blame the organisers who didn't make sure their huge stadiums got packed in all 64 games)

 

[rfU]

I'm pretty sure, no matter what merchandise the Brazilians will have to sell, they will not ruin what they love most in the world.

I had a long post but I accidentally deleted it instead of ctrl +c, so I'll stop here. I was gonna say that it was the worst World Cup that I've witnessed and had bunch of articles as well who said that.

You're entitled to your opinion mate, but clearly you're in the minority, which means no one gives a fuck what you think SA is a football crazy country, yes the majority of the country do give a fuck about football, more so than rugby... reason why they aren't as hardcore as say Argentina or Mexico is because, relatively speaking, they're still new to the sport and haven't progressed as far internationally as they have in rugby or cricket. THat and not as much money has been poured into the sport over the years. But all of that is changing. Starting with 2010 world cup. By the way, have you been to South Africa? No? Then shut the fuck up man In earnest, you talk so much shit. vacant seats = worst world cup? You must not watch serie a then

This world cup wasn't the greatest but it meant a lot to africa as a whole, for once the former colonial powers didn't look down on africa and those who thought choas and rioting would ensue were proven wrong. There wasn't some crazy AIDS epidemic or whatever health scare, some sort of security breach or civil strife... you may not appreciate it or understand the significance of African country hosting the greatest event the world has ever known, but many have and do. This world cup was not ruined, well maybe a bit when Luis Suarez decided to hand ball Mensah's effort in extra time but such is life.

 

[brehme1989]

Why do I even bother?

 

[rfU]

Why do I even bother?

Good question. Perhaps we should close this thread all together.

 

[La Bling]

Chanting was sort of forbidden by the overwhelming droning sound.

Did you watch Chile? "Vamos, vamos Chile! Esta noche, tenemos que ganar" was sung loud and clear every match.

And yes, although there are exceptions, rugby in SA is culturally white, and football is culturally black. Just look at the players and fans.

 

[Stefan]

Did you watch Chile? "Vamos, vamos Chile! Esta noche, tenemos que ganar" was sung loud and clear every match.

And yes, although there are exceptions, rugby in SA is culturally white, and football is culturally black. Just look at the players and fans.

I would suggest doing your research.

Rugby is the top sport for the white afrikaanse but its not the top sport for white english in SA. This is based on research conducted each and every year. Rugby is culturally afrikaans not white, there is quite a difference between the two.

As far as the fans goes you are wrong in that white fans are not football fans. The difference is the white football fans genereally support european teams and not the local sides.

As for the players most of the players come from the school system and for a long long time under the previous goverment football wasn't allowed at white schools.

 

[brehme1989]

FIBA, the world governing body for basketball, announced that vuvuzela will be banned for the 2010 World Basketball Championship, world's biggest international basketball event to take place in Turkey this August and September.

Vuvuzela, a deafening plastic trumpet which emits a sound equivalent to 127 decibels, is an instrument based on South African horns. It had become a controversy at the recent 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa after it received complaints from television viewers and players.

FIBA banned vuvuzela at halls during the upcoming championship due to health risks, Turkish Basketball Federation said in a statement posted on its website.

FIBA asked fans not to bring these controversial instruments to games and warned that security teams would confiscate vuvuzelas at the entrance of halls.

FIBA has become the first international sports federation to officially ban vuvuzela. The ban includes also other air horns.

FIBA Secretary-General Patrick Baumann said that vuvuzela was not suitable for indoor use. Baumann said the noisy instrument could also cause problems for communication of referees during matches.

2010 World Basketball Championship will take place in four Turkish provinces --İstanbul, Ankara, İzmir and Kayseri-- from August 28 to September 12. It is expected to draw 350,000 spectators and over 1 billion TV viewers.

Great news! I get to watch my favorite sport WITHOUT silly noises!