The Hip Hop Thread

[Waleed]

I prefer straight rap to all that newer hip-hop. A few people are 2Pac, Snoop, A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, Run DMC. You know, people like that. None of that "I got big rims, yeah, I'm hot" crap.

Man your from the east coast how could you forget NaS and Biggie??

 

[minterke]

Been listening to alot of Papoose lately, kind of reminds me of Big L just not as good lyrically.

 

[Enzo]

Hal you'll love the Timbo album. There's even a track with your favouritest in the widest worldest band Fall Out Boy.

(it's alright!)

Return of the Mac: 1 thumb and 1 pinky down. Even on Koch Records with no G unit affiliation, the album has flopped and rightly so.

 

[Enzo]

Man your from the east coast how could you forget NaS and Biggie??

it's you're.

and perhaps because Biggie has only ever dropped 1 decent album and that Nas has done nothing in 10 years other than drop an album on a very commercial label with an eye catching title which at best was decent. If Hip Hop is Dead was called "Gods Son version 2" or some bs like that, it would've done nothing.

 

[minterke]

which is why alot of people are saying it's album of the year for 2006 right?

 

[Enzo]

because of it's name.

and by a lot of people do you mean people or actual informed magazines and websites because if I remember correctly, Ghostface, Lupe & Clipse were the winners in that category way more than Nasir "I release 1 decent album every 10 years and then blame it on my record company so I shift over to the biggest record company on the land who is owned by some bloke who had sex with my baby mama but I don't care because I just love the moolah" Jones.

Hip Hop is dead pffft...there were 2 decent tracks on that album, 1 more was okay because of the hype surrounding it and then there was the casual subtle disses at rappers who he I'm certain once said that "they would have to release 5 albums before I take shots at them"....he is a walking contradiction, Nas, Tupac, Jay Z and Biggie are just as responsible for Hip Hop being dead as anyone else.

 

[minterke]

How? I'm sure if people like Diddy or Master P dropped Nastradamus or Street's Disciple people would be giving it 4 out of 5 but since it's Nas it's a disappointment. Why? Because no one in the rap game right now or in the past 10 years or so can match him lyrically. Every album he's put out hasn't been about 24's and pussy so how can he be responsible for the way hip hop is today? When people think about hip hop being dead they don't think about Pac, Nas or Biggie. They think about Lil' John, G-Unit, Dipset and those idiots.

Nas albums that were at least 4 out of 5 for me:

Illmatic
It Was Written
Stillmatic
Godson
The Lost Tapes
HH Is Dead

Maybe you disagree about Hip Hop is dead but don't tell me those other albums were mediocre, please bro.

 

[Enzo]

I love it how people say "ohh Nas, he's lyrically awesome" perhaps, but there's more to hip hop than lyrics, he has a rough flow and it's amazing because sometimes his songs have absolutely no meaning at all.

Illmatic is good, I get bored of it easily but I can understand why others would like it, I'm not going to argue that. Nas' next release was always going to have to be commerical for him to make a name for himself, but the difference between the way Illmatic was done and IWW was just too big, the whole mafioso idea was garbage, why change something that wasn't broke? Nas did that and he ruined it, what saved the album was the Fugees and Hype Williams, their involvement made it was it is.

Stillmatic, once again, just like HHID was released at a time where if Nas dropped a decent album, it was going to be seen as a great album. First of all the name of the album and then what was going on at the time of the album being released with his feud with Jay Z, I bought Stillmatic and have it somewhere and it is a good album, but it is no where near being great. It was great marketing and timing that made it seem great.

God's Son is my favourite Nas album but he's no Eminem, the way the album distanced itself from previous Nas albums was too big of a difference for it to be considered great, when I say he's no Eminem I mean that Nas talking about his personal life on that album song after song wasn't that appealing. Whatever Nas did, he sold consistently, but his sales for God's Son proved even that Nas fans were getting a bit bored. That and his alliance with Murder Inc. at the time was a joke.

Also, there are heaps of MC's who can match him lyrically (I'm not even going to mention old school rappers), for example AZ. AZ has beaten him down in every single track they've recorded together, from the Firm to Illmatic (Hal will back me up on this). Then of course there is Raekwon who is perhaps the unluckiest rapper of all time, because if OB4CL was released before Illmatic, then he would've been the King of New York, OB4CL is a much better album than Illmatic anyway, even Nas thinks so because IWW was a OB4CL wannabe.

sorry for the Waleed like essay, but it is what it is.

 

[Enzo]

btw I love this whole anti-50 era going on, he is just a scapegoat of all this, he sells 10 million because of his flow and rhythm of his music, not for his Hip Hop, he is simply eating of rap.

Tupac is my all time favourite rapper, but his influence is killing Hip Hop, as is Biggie's, Nas & Jay Z are just the little sidekicks.

I actually like similar artists to you Mike, I just dislike Nas because he's a hypocrite.

 

[UhUhOleguer]

How is Biggie responsible for hipHop being dead??

he was the first and only one who covered everything...he did Gangsta stuff, then R&B, then killed Bones and thugs on the whole doublerhyme stuff...he covered everything, that's why he is considered the greatest.
No other MC until then could cover both the streets and the clubs...you had either of them, but not both.
He had just one great album? So what...Maradona won only one world cup, but he is still Pele's daddy.

Jay-Z came close...but everyone else who tried that failed.

Nas being a hypocrite or not..who gives a damn? He is lyrically almost unmatched....and Nastradamus would have been even a bulshit album if it was done by diddy..

Oh....and Clipse, Ghost and Lupe definetly had albums of the year..

 

[UhUhOleguer]

Tupac is my all time favourite rapper

eh..luis I always thought they were Ice-T and Cube..

 

[minterke]

Man how can you dislike a rapper who spits sh1t like this lol..

then i rose, whipin the blunts ash from my clothes and froze only to blow the herb smoke through my nose

And by the way I also like Tupac, more so than Biggie even (even though that's illegal according to Oleguer) but I think it's harsh to say that Biggie, who I consider to be the most talented of all time, to be responsible for the death of hip-hop..

Oh and IWW is soo overlooked and underrated because of it being forced to copy the success of Illmatic (which is impossible)

 

[Enzo]

oleguer nice bait, but tell me who is the bitch in ur avatar?

 

[Choppin Onions]

btw I love this whole anti-50 era going on, he is just a scapegoat of all this, he sells 10 million because of his flow and rhythm of his music, not for his Hip Hop, he is simply eating of rap.

Tupac is my all time favourite rapper, but his influence is killing Hip Hop, as is Biggie's, Nas & Jay Z are just the little sidekicks.

I actually like similar artists to you Mike, I just dislike Nas because he's a hypocrite.

I'd say it's Pac's moms influence more than his. He can't control that's she's remixing all his stuff and giving it a "hip-pop" beat or he's putting TI and Ashanti on his cd's. Even the hardcore Pac fans are sickened by what his Mom is doing to his name.

The "death" of Hip-hop occured in the early 2000's with artists such as Nelly, Ja Rule and that bullshit Southern movement that continues to this day. When artists (and I use that term loosely) like Mike Jones is going platinum you know there's something extremely wrong with the game.

 

[minterke]

lol enzee are you praising 50 cent? Cuz i just looked at your myspace page and it says "I like real hiphop none of that fake 50 cent sh1t"

 

[snake]

lol enzee are you praising 50 cent? Cuz i just looked at your myspace page and it says "I like real hiphop none of that fake 50 cent sh1t"

its myspace mate, can be decieving. Apperantly Im an emo, enzee likes fitty cent and your an annorexic prick.

 

[minterke]

Apperantly Im an emo, enzee likes fitty cent and your a stud who gets all the b1tches.

oh ..

 

[UhUhOleguer]

oleguer nice bait, but tell me who is the bitch in ur avatar?

penelope cruz


mikey...it's not forbidden...it just doesn't make sense.

as said..to me Biggie is the equivalent of El Diez in Rap..and Pac was more Pele.

Maradona is simply the greatest..just like Francis M to the Iz H Phenomenal was in Rap

 

[Enzo]

lol enzee are you praising 50 cent? Cuz i just looked at your myspace page and it says "I like real hiphop none of that fake 50 cent sh1t"

you missed my previous point.

I don't think 50 Cent is hip Hop, he is merely eating off it.

I get angry when people consider him Hip Hop.

that's it, he's a very good artist who just has too much power for his own good. if you listen to 50 Cent for his hooks, his flow and the amazing beats his songs always have, he's good. but just don't label him as hip hop.

 

[Enzo]

oh and for a canadian b-rad you're a legend.

you just said in about 100 words what i wouldnt be able to say in 1000.

all these movements is what killed hip hop. first the nelly midwest movement, then the southern movement, then the crunk movement and now the hyphy movement.

and ur so right, mike jones (who?) is THE WORST out of the lot, if i saw that bloke, id kill him.