The Suning Commerce Group

[StefanNedelchev]

I am dreaming about PIF honestly.. this will be our biggest transfer ever. Nowadays, you cant be competitive without spending big and that is the reality.

 

[bubba zanetti]

I dont care if pif or another, we just need new owners that can invest in the team, I dont care who's gonna be.

 

[sdvroot]

I dont care if pif or another, we just need new owners that can invest in the team, I dont care who's gonna be.

Abramovich?

 

[bubba zanetti]

Abramovich?

Keyser Soze can be I dont care.

 

[Adriano@10]

As I've said before, to my external view, it makes no sense for PIF to buy Inter.

The only scenario in which they do is if they use Newcastle as basically a club without major ambition. They cant run two clubs in the CL together, and buying Inter would basically be saying "We dont want Newcastle in the Champions League". Given the premiership is where the money is, they'll throw cash into making newcastle better - we arent going to get focused on vs them

I think PIF is off the cards for the foreseeable future

Meh the PIF BBIlan rumours were very strong and there were negotiations going on so PIF obviously wants to buy another club.
Whether or not thats us and how they gonna circumvent the Uefa rules is another discussion but from everything we see it seems obvious that PIF is intrested in buying another club.

 

[.h.]

Lets see, but I think in 12 months time, PIF wont have entered any serious negotiations for another top level club. Also, I'm not familiar with any PIF / Milan rumours?

 

[Il Drago]

PIF? Do you mean InvestCorp? Inter is the only Italian club Pif have ever linked with.

 

[vex]

I dont care if pif or another, we just need new owners that can invest in the team, I dont care who's gonna be.

Fuck investing, how about they just pay our debt, and get rid of oaktree out of the equation, we can be self-sufficient from then on.

This shit right now is just unbearable, thohir looks like a prime abramovich or mansour compared to zhang and suning.

 

[Adriano@10]

Lets see, but I think in 12 months time, PIF wont have entered any serious negotiations for another top level club. Also, I'm not familiar with any PIF / Milan rumours?

My bad got investcorp and PIF mixed up..........
As drago pointed out.

also on the newcastel thing how long do you guys guess it would take even with huge investments till they crack top 4 in the EPL? Inter would just be a faster way to success....

 

[.h.]

My bad got investcorp and PIF mixed up..........
As drago pointed out.

also on the newcastel thing how long do you guys guess it would take even with huge investments till they crack top 4 in the EPL? Inter would just be a faster way to success....

the peaks are much much higher though

look at the revenue in the premiership - if you can get to that level, you're gonna make 2-3x what Inter makes in terms of revenue. You access the entire English speaking world, highly modernised infrastructure (e.g. branding, etc), you get good penetration into Asia...

What does Inter get you? A black hole of debt, extensive Italian bureaucracy where you basically CANT GIVE MONEY AWAY without a 5 year political battle, and maybe the ability to make another 50-100mil of revenue at great expense (e.g. 800mil for the stadia to turn a +50mil/season profit is just a poor investment).


Brehme, I'm sure, would also point out that the UK is not part of the EU now, and thus certain money laundering regulations etc will be lighter touch than having to deal inside EU.


We're all having a laugh if we think Inter compares to Newcastle (from a non-football context perspective). It's a sad state of affairs... The only thing that saves Inter, and other leagues, right now is the CL places - you can stockpile maybe 6 teams of CL-capable quality in the premiership, but you cant go much further than that before people will want to prove themselves on the biggest stage, and while Italy has 4 spots, we'll always be able to attract at least up and coming talent for a few seasons to prove themselves there and get big transfers to the premiership.

 

[Il Drago]

My bad got investcorp and PIF mixed up..........
As drago pointed out.

also on the newcastel thing how long do you guys guess it would take even with huge investments till they crack top 4 in the EPL? Inter would just be a faster way to success....

Top 4? 1-2 years max. Arsenal and Man Utd are poorly managed while Spurs are a threat only because of Conte. Winning the league is an entirely different story though. Liverpool and City are simply on another level compared to the rest of the league. They will probably need a 5-year project for that.

 

[.h.]

Top 4? 1-2 years max. Arsenal and Man Utd are poorly managed while Spurs are a threat only because of Conte. Winning the league is an entirely different story though. Liverpool and City are simply on another level compared to the rest of the league. They will probably need a 5-year project for that.

I think itll be 3-4 years minimum to get to top 4, tbh. The clubs in 3/4/5/6 might all be a bit shit, but there's enough of them that in general, the top 4 are still pretty good. You've basically got Tottenham, Arsenal, United, Leicester in the mix there at a minimum for 4th spot.

 

[Adriano@10]

Top 4? 1-2 years max. Arsenal and Man Utd are poorly managed while Spurs are a threat only because of Conte. Winning the league is an entirely different story though. Liverpool and City are simply on another level compared to the rest of the league. They will probably need a 5-year project for that.

I highy doubt that... Takes some time to establish the right culture and get the right people also the likes of chelsea pool and city will be spending just as much as Newcastel is....
I d also argue that spurs and arsenal are still destinations that most players would prefer over Newcatel atm. Look at city and chelsea it took sme time till they managed to get absolute top players.

the peaks are much much higher though

look at the revenue in the premiership - if you can get to that level, you're gonna make 2-3x what Inter makes in terms of revenue. You access the entire English speaking world, highly modernised infrastructure (e.g. branding, etc), you get good penetration into Asia...

What does Inter get you? A black hole of debt, extensive Italian bureaucracy where you basically CANT GIVE MONEY AWAY without a 5 year political battle, and maybe the ability to make another 50-100mil of revenue at great expense (e.g. 800mil for the stadia to turn a +50mil/season profit is just a poor investment).


Brehme, I'm sure, would also point out that the UK is not part of the EU now, and thus certain money laundering regulations etc will be lighter touch than having to deal inside EU.


We're all having a laugh if we think Inter compares to Newcastle (from a non-football context perspective). It's a sad state of affairs... The only thing that saves Inter, and other leagues, right now is the CL places - you can stockpile maybe 6 teams of CL-capable quality in the premiership, but you cant go much further than that before people will want to prove themselves on the biggest stage, and while Italy has 4 spots, we'll always be able to attract at least up and coming talent for a few seasons to prove themselves there and get big transfers to the premiership.

Agreed but if it s about prestige and wining than imho inter is the better option.....
Also you could probably get good returns out of newcastel even if it stays a midtable team. Heck the returns might be better than when you go all out and try to compete with city and pool....

I do think that the thing that is keeping italy back is the political environnement so much easier to get a project done in england or germany.
That being said i do think with the right people in charge who are willing to Invest one could build something huge in italy cant be that fucken france has a bigger team than italy. I fully agree though that it would come with a lot more headaches for who ever tries to pull it off then if you d start the same project in the EPL.


I guess my point is in football everything is about brand/brands and Italy has two of the biggest that are up for grabs and dont give me this shit but historically newcastel is big. They ve won fuck all when compared to us and bbilan and it sonly deluded EPL fans that call them a big club.

 

[.h.]

I highy doubt that... Takes some time to establish the right culture and get the right people also the likes of chelsea pool and city will be spending just as much as Newcastel is....
I d also argue that spurs and arsenal are still destinations that most players would prefer over Newcatel atm. Look at city and chelsea it took sme time till they managed to get absolute top players.

Agreed but if it s about prestige and wining than imho inter is the better option.....
Also you could probably get good returns out of newcastel even if it stays a midtable team. Heck the returns might be better than when you go all out and try to compete with city and pool....

I do think that the thing that is keeping italy back is the political environnement so much easier to get a project done in england or germany.
That being said i do think with the right people in charge who are willing to Invest one could build something huge in italy cant be that fucken france has a bigger team than italy. I fully agree though that it would come with a lot more headaches for who ever tries to pull it off then if you d start the same project in the EPL.


I guess my point is in football everything is about brand/brands and Italy has two of the biggest that are up for grabs and dont give me this shit but historically newcastel is big. They ve won fuck all when compared to us and bbilan and it sonly deluded EPL fans that call them a big club.

Pro-tip, its not about prestige and winning

It's about re-building relationships with the West and trying to normalise Saudi Arabia a bit.

 

[Adriano@10]

Pro-tip, its not about prestige and winning

It's about re-building relationships with the West and trying to normalise Saudi Arabia a bit.

And this comes easiest with winning and with prestige...
Why elses is PSG and city just throwing money at shit trying to win a CL
Lets not kidd our selfes also these sheiks are quite ambitious..
You start out with more fans if you buy a more prestigious club and the coverage will also be bigger.....

yes you might be right that it s only about relationships but wining and prestige makes it so much easier to mend those relationships.

Heck look at fif how fucken fast did we turn on suning once we stopped spending and wining?
Exactly... it s simple winning makes everything easier
Also how popular was suning when they were spending big but on shit players and we sucked?
In sports all is about wining and if you spend big to mend relationships but your club is shitting the bed you might as well set the money on fire.

 

[.h.]

But there's also a reason why they arent doing it in Italy - they could throw money and try to win in Italy, but because its italy it will always make it a bit messier, whereas in the premiership (for example) theres much more free reign to penetrate into markets etc.

No one around the world is buying Barella or Bastoni jerseys, and stars in Italy dont stay in Italy for long for the most part, except for Italians.

 

[.h.]

tbh, as well, no one cares about winning the league in italy outside of italy. It's been won by one club for almost a decade, and even before then it was marred with Juve-domination (via cheating, etc). Our very best team in Italy maybe gets to the CL quarters in a reasonable year... And with the running costs of Juve, Inter, etc, its clear cuts are coming in the future which will impact our performance levels.

Italy really needs to sort its shit out at a league level if they're serious about attracting top owners, talent, sponsors, etc. We're also in the wrong country to focus on building a big domestic base (in the same way Bayern have), so we're competing for the international dolar - which puts us against La Liga and the Premiership, and unfortunately, we're 3rd in the big 2.

 

[Adriano@10]

But there's also a reason why they arent doing it in Italy - they could throw money and try to win in Italy, but because its italy it will always make it a bit messier, whereas in the premiership (for example) theres much more free reign to penetrate into markets etc.

No one around the world is buying Barella or Bastoni jerseys, and stars in Italy dont stay in Italy for long for the most part, except for Italians.

Agreed but that is mostly cause the lega and the politics in italy are completely fucked up.......
Most stars only dont stay in italy cause they ll get bigger bucks else where, nobody in their right mind would go to fucken newcastle over Milano or roma if they get paid the same( with the exception of englishmen) btw same goes for any city with the exception of london.

Also yes people are buying berella shirts around the world what are you talking about? for sure there are more inter jerseys sold outside of italy then fucken newcastel jerseys outsied of the UK.
And i d bet the even City has only overtaken us recently cause they have more stars cause they have more money cause they fucken won more.

Again the question here is is somebody willing to put up with italian politics and the antics of the lega....

tbh, as well, no one cares about winning the league in italy outside of italy. It's been won by one club for almost a decade, and even before then it was marred with Juve-domination (via cheating, etc). Our very best team in Italy maybe gets to the CL quarters in a reasonable year...

Yeah i m sorry but thats fucken bs......
I lived in two countries in Europe and in the US and the people who cared about football all knew who was wining serie a...
Yes the US plastic fan might baerly know who we are but you change that by fucken wining and brinig in big players not by being an EPL team.

 

[.h.]

Agreed but that is mostly cause the lega and the politics in italy are completely fucked up.......
Most stars only dont stay in italy cause they ll get bigger bucks else where, nobody in their right mind would go to fucken newcastle over Milano or roma if they get paid the same( with the exception of englishmen) btw same goes for any city with the exception of london.

Also yes people are buying berella shirts around the world what are you talking about? for sure there are more inter jerseys sold outside of italy then fucken newcastel jerseys outsied of the UK.
And i d bet the even City has only overtaken us recently cause they have more stars cause they have more money cause they fucken won more.

Again the question here is is somebody willing to put up with italian politics and the antics of the lega....

Yeah, but thats right now - whats the addressable market? Hell, I used to see Newcastle shirts around Asia even two decades ago. With the premiership backing, if they throw money into signing good players etc, then theres a lot of draw they could do


You realise Harry Kane makes basically the same as Lautaro, right? Its not just about pure salaries, sadly, because we're actually kinda competitive on that. It's exposure, marketing, international recognition.

 

[Adriano@10]

Yeah, but thats right now - whats the addressable market? Hell, I used to see Newcastle shirts around Asia even two decades ago. With the premiership backing, if they throw money into signing good players etc, then theres a lot of draw they could do


You realise Harry Kane makes basically the same as Lautaro, right? Its not just about pure salaries, sadly, because we're actually kinda competitive on that. It's exposure, marketing, international recognition.

Yeah you see a couple of newcastle shirts every now and then but not nearly as much as inter and the whole discussion we are having here is that you ll have to throw a ton of money at both clubs in order to win and establish the brand amongst the top in football. It s just that with inter this could possibly be done a lot quicker as we have a squad that is already in CL and made it to the round of 16 on top of that unless you talk to a delusioned briton Inter is the way bigger brand ATM.
I m not saying it s impossible in newcastel i m just saying imho it will take longer and probably take a similar amount of money.
No doubt you d have a bigger headach in Italy though cause of all the politics and the lega that seems completly fucked up.

Also i just dont buy the shit that Italian football aint revivable all it takes is a couple of good projects with people willing to spend money and the stars will come back.
When it comes to tam i m not that sure most of my latino friends prefer Serie a/laliga over EPL. It s asia and north america that really gives the EPL a huge boost.

i mean do you believe if we had spent Man city money in the last couple of years that we d not be CL contenders? Or that we d loose stars to the EPL?

Imho psg is proving that it is possible to build a top team in a shit league as long as your willing to spend money.