Zlatan Ibrahimovic

[Wallace]

and when as players like ronaldo "carried" his team against teams like Bayern, despite playing for one of the top 3 teams in the world.

Bear in mind, he never said Ronaldo is a world class player.

 

[wicked wizard]

Bear in mind, he never said Ronaldo is a world class player.

ermm he said ronaldo and messi are world class and ibrh below them

 

[Alan]

Like I said, talk to me when he's consistently delivering in top games. Big whoop scoring for Milan against Inter, we suck balls. Awful players look world class against us. For Milan against Juventus he's 1 in 3 (for example).
Last year in the CL, no goals against Valencia, and 1 in 2 vs Barca.


I want to see what he does in the big matches this year. If he carries the team as a world class player should - against someone like Bayern or whatever - then we can talk.. but until that day has happened - and it hasnt happened in his career yet - there's nothing to talk about.

Portugal game? He was Zlatan vs Portugal. Not bad scoring those goals by your self...

When playing for Barcelona and scored the goal against RM?

Are you retarded or should I come with more examples? But maybe according to you I AM the big retard here who thinks that Real Madrid is a big club?

 

[Fapuccino]

Lmao Browha just give it up man, dont be like pencilpal.

As I said before, if Ibra turned up in "big games" he would be one of the best players of all time, not just in the world.

Imo only 3 pure #9s are world class. Ibra, Falcao, Cavani. RVP was for that one season, but no more. Diego Costa is getting close but he's going to have to repeat his performances for more than a year.

 

[I4E]

Poll added

 

[Universe]

add a 3rd option: "what is world class?"

 

[wera]

Falcao was worse this season because he doesn't have a team like Atletico behind him.
Suarez & Sturridge are great this season, but even they are not consistent. Nobody just scores from every chance they get.

Even Messi apart from the penalty (+how it came to it), did nothing today, but pass the ball around. Are we going to take the world class title from him anytime soon? There are a bunch of other games too where he did almost nothing, especially since he got injured.

Ibra played two really good games against Barcelona last year, but I guess now you'll say they were out of form or something like that. I don't think PSG is as good as Real or Bayern, but I'm sure, that in this form, he can perform, goals or not. He has done it before.


And nobody scores in every big game, especially if you're the focal point of the attack, the target man, they man mark you more closely, if you're one of the best around, like Ibra is. I think he's been showing his world class since he left Inter. So if PSG wins the CL this year, you'll say this is his first world class season. Shiiiiiiiiieeeet. I need to stop visiting this part of the forum.

 

[Wallace]

Wera, played good doesn't mean anything to browha.

He is completely subjective and only looks at what was delivered, a direct assist or a goal.

 

[Fapuccino]

Browha gets as much popular support for his Ibrahimovic not world class debate, as I do with Serie A > EPL arguments.

 

[I4E]

add a 3rd option: "what is world class?"

World class -

1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order.

2. Of or denoting someone with a skill or attribute that puts him or her in the highest class in the world.

3. Ranked among the world's best; of the highest calibre.

... And yet somehow Ibrahimovic doesn't fit under any of these definitions ???

 

[.h.]

everyone keeps telling me how good ibrahimovic is

yet where did he come this year in the ballon d'or, for example? He had less than a quarter of the votes that the person who came 3rd did. The year before, he was 10th. Before that he didnt even make the list - with players like Benzema, Nani (!!!!!) and Abidal ahead of him on the list.

Like I've said a hundred times, this is the closest Ibrahimovic has ever been to 'the best in the world' in his entire career.

And he's still a cut behind the absolute best.



Maybe 2014 is the year that will change, we'll see. But his performances so far are meaningless to me. It's when the games get difficult, the level of the opposition is better than Europa League Last 32, and you're playing against a team who [exaggeration, not fact checking this] make more money than Ibrahimovic pre-tax, then we can talk. Because so far, most of his "big game deliveries" have been against mice, and not men.


It's simple. World class players deliver in world class games. Ibrahimovic was *indisputably* a failure in these until ~2011/2012 (ISH, dont you fucking retarded fanboys take that literally). Since then he's come a LONG way and credit to him for that. But he's still yet to consistently carry a team in the big matches the same way Ronaldo, or Messi, or Ribery does.

protip: NO THAT DOESNT MEAN I EXPECT THEM TO SCORE A HAT TRICK EVERY SINGLE GAME YOU DUMB FUCKS. BUT THERES AN ATTITUDE DIFFERENCE. PEOPLE LOOK TO THEM AS LEADERS OF THE TEAM, WHEN THINGS GO TOUGH THEY ARE THE PLAYERS EXPECTED TO DELIVER. IBRA IS FINALLY STARTING TO FILL THAT MANTELPIECE AT PSG, BUT HE ISNT QUITE THERE YET.

Anyway, thats the last I have to say on this. continue throwing semen at each other and praising your god like children with no critical thinking capacity. Fucking bukkake going on in here.

 

[JJM]

the results so far in the poll are shocking...absolutely sensational

 

[Fapuccino]

fuck you wallace for voting no

 

[Universe]

Look. I totally get what browha is saying. I completely understand and I'm sympathetic to his belief. What swings it for me though, is simply the sheer rapishness of Ibra in general. Yea, he's never won the Champions League. Plenty of great players never won the champions league either. Yes, perhaps he hasn't been as dominant in the majority of big matches he's played. But he's a proven winner, I think the only player to have won 8/9 league titles consecutively. That's insane. His immense contribution to these league wins is mainly what swings it for me, and the enormous talent, clearly and plainly visible in his technique and execution is a contributing factor too.

Hope he wins the CL this year and rapes all the big teams along the way so we can never argue about this again

 

[IRR26]

Wallace you ruined it.

It was suppose to be only Browha who votes no.

Ok maybe you can represent Browha who probably won't give his vote.

 

[youth projector]

Barantokanosu

He is better than palacio.

 

[.h.]

Look. I totally get what browha is saying. I completely understand and I'm sympathetic to his belief. What swings it for me though, is simply the sheer rapishness of Ibra in general. Yea, he's never won the Champions League. Plenty of great players never won the champions league either. Yes, perhaps he hasn't been as dominant in the majority of big matches he's played. But he's a proven winner, I think the only player to have won 8/9 league titles consecutively. That's insane. His immense contribution to these league wins is mainly what swings it for me, and the enormous talent, clearly and plainly visible in his technique and execution is a contributing factor too.

Hope he wins the CL this year and rapes all the big teams along the way so we can never argue about this again

maybe one more tiny post



If he helped to carry PSG to the latter stages of the CL and everything, then yes I'd really reconsider my position. But the last 2 years are the only seasons in which Ibrahimovic even comes CLOSE to "world class". People saying he was "world class" at Inter [for example] are simply retarded. Indisputably not even close. The problem is that he does some exceptional things against smaller teams - but when it comes to the bigger teams he never does them. When was the last time he scored an England-style lob in a game that actually mattered? Or a back-heeler in a huge match? He's a big game bottler, always has been. He's LESS so of one now, but still not quite there.

And re:talent and so on, I fully agree. He's probably the most talented footballer in the world today. But I'm concerned with professional players, not the Krasic>Bale, Di Maria>Ronaldo bullshit that Wicked Wizard does. I'm concerned with what someone does - it doesn't really matter how they do it. And from that perspective, Zlatan is wanting when compared to some of the biggest names. I dont think Zlatan will ever, for example, reach the heights of Milito in 09/10 - scoring in every CL knock out stage & the coppa italia final & the brace to win the league.



The ohter angle is... at what point is 'too small' a hinderence? Lets say he was playing in the conference and scored 50 goals a game? Would that make him world class? Clearly not. If you take what Zlatan does already and put it in the top matches he plays in, he would be world class. But for whatever reason, big fish small pond, big game bottler, whatever you want to call it, he's always had a mental block in transferring that talent. I dont think anyone reasonable will argue with that - the argument is more focused on whether or not you can be world class without having done that. And I have to say, you're not world class unless you perform in the world class matches.


My 2 cents, and definitely my last post in this thread about this topic.

 

[Pimpin]

browha is a smart motherfucker, dude can make a case about how schelotti is world class how he scored against milan, inter and other big teams when his team needed him

 

[wicked wizard]

I hate that term "carries a team" no footballer does its a team sport ffs, they are 10 other ppl playing as well.

 

[Fitzy]

The question is not whether he is world class, but whether he is browha class.