Mauro Icardi

Shaun · Sep 3, 2015

Pharaoh said:
Would you say Lewandowski's limitations cost bayern goals? Since his passing mediocre and his hold up play is non existant?

I don't think Lewandowski is as limited as you suggest, but like Wings I don't think Icardi is a pure poacher either. Like most things there is a spectrum

If Inzagi is a 10, and Ibra/Saurez is a 1, I think Lewandowski would be a 4, and Icardi a 7.5

I agree with Pajo with his assessment of Mandzukic. I think he is quite limited, although he offers a lot in terms of work rate.

Devious · Sep 3, 2015

Shaun said:
If Inzagi is a 10, and Ibra/Saurez is a 1, I think Lewandowski would be a 4, and Icardi a 7.5

Great assessment, thumbs up :thumbsup:

Wallace · Sep 3, 2015

Universe said:
Since no one wants to go into the Ranocchia thread, I'll repost this here and hope for better luck.

But according to some members on the forum, there is nothing wrong for a captain to be on the bench.

He can captain the side from the bench.

After all, coaches stay on the bench and coach their side on the bench.

Icardi can self proclaim himself as the captain all he wants, as long as there isn't any official words from Manshitni or the club's representative, nothing is official.

Shaun · Sep 3, 2015

Devious said:
Great assessment, thumbs up :thumbsup:

Come on, that's just my opinion,. However, my point is valid, you can disagree with the numbers, but there is a spectrum when it comes to these things.

Just like if there were a troll scale then I think Wallace would be a 10, and Armes would be a 1, and you would be a 7

What is wrong with thinking Icardi is less of a poacher than Inzagi, but more of a poacher than Lewandowski?

monster09 · Sep 3, 2015

Shaun said:
Come on, that's just my opinion,. However, my point is valid, you can disagree with the numbers, but here is a spectrum when it comes to these things.

Just like if there were a troll scale then I think Wallace would be a 10, and Armes would be a 1, and you would be a 7

What is wrong with thinking Icardi is less of a poacher than Inzagi, but more of a poacher than Lewandowski?

In football world there is no middle ground. In every argument everything is extreme. Either excellent or shit player.

Devious · Sep 3, 2015

Shaun said:
Come on, that's just my opinion,. However, my point is valid, you can disagree with the numbers, but here is a spectrum when it comes to these things.

Just like if there were a troll scale then I think Wallace would be a 10, and Armes would be a 1, and you would be a 7

What is wrong with thinking Icardi is less of a poacher than Inzagi, but more of a poacher than Lewandowski?

I was being serious, Shaun Micheal. I was goin to explain it the same way you put it and then I saw ur post. I swear!

Besides Im not a troll, not anymore, kidding with people is no trolling

ScottishInterista · Sep 3, 2015

Shaun said:
Come on, that's just my opinion,. However, my point is valid, you can disagree with the numbers, but there is a spectrum when it comes to these things.

Just like if there were a troll scale then I think Wallace would be a 10, and Armes would be a 1, and you would be a 7

What is wrong with thinking Icardi is less of a poacher than Inzagi, but more of a poacher than Lewandowski?

What about bandeira?

Pharaoh · Sep 3, 2015

Alright sorry, got drunk and passed out, now it's 4 am, kinda hungover and taking a massive shit.

bandiera said:
will reply soon. basically everything you said is literally not true. "lewandowski a poacher" "teaams just copy other teams in vogue that's how it works" "442 is a timeless tactic" "catenaccio was never mainstream" "teams that don't have strikers that can score lack poachers" "icardi is well rounded" "teams wouldn't destroy catenaccio nowadays" do you even know how catenaccio works? do you realize 442 is a formation not a tactic? do teams use a number 10 and a destroyer in the middle of the park anymore like in the 90s? no. tactics evolve because they get better. for example, everyone started to use 3 man defense in Serie A to stretch out the lack of width of 4-3-1-2 which was popular before.

if teams that can't score goals put poachers in their place, the striker would score more goals but no doubt the team would score less as a whole, yes. just because they need a srtiker that can score does not mean they need a poacher. have you seen how much welbeck offers other than goalscoring? thats why arsenal bought him in the first place. icardi is not well rounded. a few good games where he showed improvement does not change the fact he is still very limited. dude literally didn't touch the ball the entire preseason. are you really giving eto'o as an examlpe of why poachers are useful? and using stats to say icardi isn't limited, come on. anyways, will have a more organized reply later.

You've got to be kidding me if you don't think the 4-4-2 hasn't been around forever. Pele won 2 world cups under that formation, Liverpool won back to back UCLs with it in the 70s, and that's all people played in the 90s/early 2000s.

Now I do agree 4-4-2 etc are not tactics but just a way your team lines up, but they do give some hint at tacts. For example a 4-4-2 wide, a 4-3-3, and a 4-2-3-1 are very similar, just the individual roles are moved around to accommodate the type of players on your team. But I used formations since that's what you were referencing. And back to the Catenaccio, the very basics of it are counter attacking and grinding out results. You gonna tell me those tactics don't work these day? Go tell that to Mourinho & Simeone who are masterminds at it.

Wolf's Rain said:
Happy birthday Pharaoh!

Thanks dude! I appreciate it

Shaun said:
I don't think Lewandowski is as limited as you suggest, but like Wings I don't think Icardi is a pure poacher either. Like most things there is a spectrum

If Inzagi is a 10, and Ibra/Saurez is a 1, I think Lewandowski would be a 4, and Icardi a 7.5

I agree with Pajo with his assessment of Mandzukic. I think he is quite limited, although he offers a lot in terms of work rate.

Yes! I agree with the spectrum analysis. And I'm also willing to admit icardi will be higher on that scale than lewandowski, but I disagree with the gap that you have between them. Mainly because I feel that it's easier for lewandowski to look less of a poacher when his assists are going to players like Robben, goetze, Ribery, & Thiago. While icardi is assisting Guarin or hernanes.

Ronin · Sep 3, 2015

We were lucky with the international break. If there was none, Icardi probably wouldn't have made it for the derby.

Universe said:
Since no one wants to go into the Ranocchia thread, I'll repost this here and hope for better luck.

It's not official. Based on the website Rano is still the captain (http://www.inter.it/en/coversquadra). He has [C] after his name.

Shaun · Sep 3, 2015

Pharaoh said:
Yes! I agree with the spectrum analysis. And I'm also willing to admit icardi will be higher on that scale than lewandowski, but I disagree with the gap that you have between them. Mainly because I feel that it's easier for lewandowski to look less of a poacher when his assists are going to players like Robben, goetze, Ribery, & Thiago. While icardi is assisting Guarin or hernanes.

I don't think the difference passing ability between Lewandowski and Icardi is that significant. I think what makes Lewandowski less of a poacher is his ability to get more involved, and his ability to take on players and create his own shot. Or his ability to draw fouls. Which is a very underrated ability. If you have a striker that draws fouls around the box that creates chances. Icardi doesn't do that.

Demokritos · Sep 3, 2015

Shaun said:
I don't think the difference passing ability between Lewandowski and Icardi is that significant. I think what makes Lewandowski less of a poacher is his ability to get more involved, and his ability to take on players and create his own shot. Or his ability to draw fouls. Which is a very underrated ability. If you have a striker that draws fouls around the box that creates chances. Icardi doesn't do that.

Icardi improved a lot last season under mancini. His passing/crossing is far better than before.
He need to improve his first touch and ball control in tight space which makes lewandowski better than him.

Ronin · Sep 3, 2015

Whenever Icardi gets more involved in the game, we get much more dangerous. He still has matches where he zones out in the box and just waits for the ball but he still has made some good improvements in that area ever since Mancini came. Hopefully he'll continue to improve.

Shaun · Sep 3, 2015

The difference between Icardi, Lewandowski, and Dybala who isn't a 'box' striker at all. Slight difference in most passing stats between Icardi and Lewandowski, the main difference being their total amount of passes and therefore touches. Icardi basically never dribbles, and gets fouled less. Icardi's assists per 90 minutes were pretty impressive.

And in case you were wondering - Icardi had 0.68 goals per 90 mins, vs Lew's 0.62.

ForzaNerazzurro · Sep 3, 2015

I think we should consider the difference in leagues as well.

It's generally harder to score in the Serie A compared to other leagues, especially when you compare how the midtable and lesser clubs play against the big boys. In the Bundesliga you tend to have a lot of goals in a matchup say between Bayern and Stuttgart than in a match like Juve vs Parma.

ScottishInterista · Sep 3, 2015

ForzaKovacic said:
I think we should consider the difference in leagues as well.

It's generally harder to score in the Serie A compared to other leagues, especially when you compare how the midtable and lesser clubs play against the big boys. In the Bundesliga you tend to have a lot of goals in a matchup say between Bayern and Stuttgart than in a match live Juve vs Parma.

But its not, the Serie A had the most goals scored per top 5 leagues

Black Knight · Sep 3, 2015

Pharaoh said:
Alright sorry, got drunk and passed out, now it's 4 am, kinda hungover and taking a massive shit.

okerface:

Get well soon bro.

.h. · Sep 3, 2015

How many goals per shot in series a that's the real metric !

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Admittedly unfair in a league with guarin.aybe goals per shot on target.

Ronin · Sep 3, 2015

bandiera · Sep 3, 2015

on shaun's scale, there are matches when icardi looks like a 7.5, a 7, even a 6.5, but most of the time he is an 8.5-9. I can't remember him touching the ball in any of our preseason games other than the header vs bilbao. he is still a really limited player right now and he desperately needs to become a lot more well rounded to be an elite player.

a poacher is a liability in today's football. that shouldn't be arguable.

Pharaoh · Sep 3, 2015

I can't remember much happening at all for the entire team during our preseason games. I'm not sure that's a good time to judge him. Especially when Mancini was popping molly before filling out the lineup card.

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