2023/2024 Forwards Rumours Thread

Who would you prefer we sign as our striker?


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They are probably hoping a PL club want him. That’s the only scenario they get 50 - 60 mln for him.
Also they must at least consider the Saudis would come for him as well.

Every club (unless you're owned by fucking Suning) raised the prices of their players because the Saudis showed up and they are now able to convince even younger players to sign besides the veterans.
 

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now comes the saga of offering 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and then finally 20M... Instead of ending this bullshit right now, so that the player joins the team as quick as possible, they will stall for 2 weeks.

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Its based on Italian tax year - which is calendar year. You need to be resident for the majority of the year to be tax resident, so either 1 Jan -> 1 July, or 30th June -> 31st Dec, basically

as far as I can see, Morata should have left Italy on the end of the previous season which is 30th June, and its now past 1st July so it should be 2 full tax years out of Italy (2023, 2022), but who knows. For example it might be week commencing, rather than day of.
He left 30th of June 2022. But how is it TWO full tax years if he left at that day and then returns this July/August 2023. I don't buy it full tax year is 1 Jan -> 1 July. That sounds like half year and not full year.

If that's full year then Hakimi one season here would have been eligible for Growth Decree as well, but it wasn't.
 

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He left 30th of June 2022. But how is it TWO full tax years if he left at that day and then returns this July/August 2023. I don't buy it full tax year is 1 Jan -> 1 July. That sounds like half year and not full year.

If that's full year then Hakimi one season here would have been eligible for Growth Decree as well, but it wasn't.
I mean thats literally the definition of a tax resident


According to Article 2 of the Italian Tax Code, an individual is considered an Italian resident for tax purposes if, for the greater part of the fiscal year (i.e. for more than 183 days):

  • the individual is registered in the Records of the Italian Resident Population (Anagrafe)
  • the individual has a ‘residence’ in Italy (habitual abode), or
  • the individual has a ‘domicile’ in Italy (principal centre of business, economic and social interests, e.g. the family).
If one of the above conditions is met the individual qualifies as tax resident for Italian tax purposes.



Tax year is calendar year



What may be the case with Morata - and I can definitely not assert it isnt true - is that his contract ended on the 30th of June but his residence, for example, didnt terminate for a few more weeks, so he spilled over into the majority (>183 days) for the year. That sort of thing would be super plausible, but its also a really stupid mistake to cost yourself the benefit of growth decree tbh. However I can imagine it happens if he assumed he wasnt moving back to Italy anytime soon



For Hakimi, I know the "official" date of transfer is like 7/7, but I suspect in practise it was executed actually before that, same as the plusvalenza discussion we had with @thatdude (I think?)



NB aside from the specific timings, this is super common. Same in the UK - you're tax resident if you're here for 183 days on a tax year (Apr->Mar), so in Italy if you lived there for 183 days, e.g. 1st of Jan to 1st of July, you count as a tax resident for the full year.
 

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Morata doesn't make sense just fking put up with Wanda and welcome Icardi back. He is a much cheaper option? also scores more...... I know he is a shit head but so are half these guys
 

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I mean thats literally the definition of a tax resident


According to Article 2 of the Italian Tax Code, an individual is considered an Italian resident for tax purposes if, for the greater part of the fiscal year (i.e. for more than 183 days):

  • the individual is registered in the Records of the Italian Resident Population (Anagrafe)
  • the individual has a ‘residence’ in Italy (habitual abode), or
  • the individual has a ‘domicile’ in Italy (principal centre of business, economic and social interests, e.g. the family).
If one of the above conditions is met the individual qualifies as tax resident for Italian tax purposes.



Tax year is calendar year



What may be the case with Morata - and I can definitely not assert it isnt true - is that his contract ended on the 30th of June but his residence, for example, didnt terminate for a few more weeks, so he spilled over into the majority (>183 days) for the year. That sort of thing would be super plausible, but its also a really stupid mistake to cost yourself the benefit of growth decree tbh. However I can imagine it happens if he assumed he wasnt moving back to Italy anytime soon



For Hakimi, I know the "official" date of transfer is like 7/7, but I suspect in practise it was executed actually before that, same as the plusvalenza discussion we had with @thatdude (I think?)



NB aside from the specific timings, this is super common. Same in the UK - you're tax resident if you're here for 183 days on a tax year (Apr->Mar), so in Italy if you lived there for 183 days, e.g. 1st of Jan to 1st of July, you count as a tax resident for the full year.
Okay, now I got it what you meant with the Jan-July thing. That's common yes.

So the case could be that because Morata left before July he wouldn't be counted as Italy tax resident in 2022 since he was there less than 183 days. So that created the gap for the Growth Decree. Then this 2023 tax residency is also over now as he wouldn't be at Italy for 183 days anyway anymore since it's mid-July already. So that's two years okay okay.

Would make sense definitely, since it wouldn't make sense to go after this guy without the Growth Decree. Though now that I try to find his salary I find conflicting reports of what it might be, which usually means confusing gross and net salaries. But I don't know what to believe anymore. Could be his salary is 5m€ net. Which wouldn't be TERRIBLE, although with a long-contract it's definitely a risk if he doesn't perform.
 

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If after Cuadrado we also sign Morata as a starter I won’t see a single match of Inter upcoming season. I’m done. Loosing Handa, Skriniar, Brozo and Lukaku and replace them with (Gobbo) trash as Morata and Cuadrado. It’s too much.
 

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Okay, now I got it what you meant with the Jan-July thing. That's common yes.

So the case could be that because Morata left before July he wouldn't be counted as Italy tax resident in 2022 since he was there less than 183 days. So that created the gap for the Growth Decree. Then this 2023 tax residency is also over now as he wouldn't be at Italy for 183 days anyway anymore since it's mid-July already. So that's two years okay okay.

Would make sense definitely, since it wouldn't make sense to go after this guy without the Growth Decree. Though now that I try to find his salary I find conflicting reports of what it might be, which usually means confusing gross and net salaries. But I don't know what to believe anymore. Could be his salary is 5m€ net. Which wouldn't be TERRIBLE, although with a long-contract it's definitely a risk if he doesn't perform.

Yeah. It's hard to speculate, so yeah, I can buy that he's not eligible for growth decree, but in principle he should be

Anyway, we will see!
 

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If after Cuadrado we also sign Morata as a starter I won’t see a single match of Inter upcoming season. I’m done. Loosing Handa, Skriniar, Brozo and Lukaku and replace them with (Gobbo) trash as Morata and Cuadrado. It’s too much.
Out of the 4 players you mention, 2 belong in one category, 2 in another.
 

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Yeah. It's hard to speculate, so yeah, I can buy that he's not eligible for growth decree, but in principle he should be

Anyway, we will see!
Yeah, wondering that Hakimi case. Because he joined well past the 183 days point. And if he left before 1st of July 2021, technically he wasn't Italy tax resident at any point? I think he left only in July but for the sake of this argument let's assume he left before July. So he wouldn't have been tax resident in 2021 or in 2022? Is this kind of shit even possible. Spending well over 183 days in Italy but over the span of two tax periods.

Sorry for the heavy off-topic.
 

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Yeah, wondering that Hakimi case. Because he joined well past the 183 days point. And if he left before 1st of July 2021, technically he wasn't Italy tax resident at any point? I think he left only in July but for the sake of this argument let's assume he left before July. So he wouldn't have been tax resident in 2021 or in 2022? Is this kind of shit even possible. Spending well over 183 days in Italy but over the span of two tax periods.

Sorry for the heavy off-topic.
Yeah. If he left before July 21, he wasnt tax resident at any point in Italy. At that point you look into double taxation laws, etc. I could be wrong but I thought growth decree required the *contract* to last 2 or more years, but wasnt that it was necesasrily fulfilled. Though I'm not sure thats correct - e.g. when we sold Godin we deliberately sold him in Italy...

so, fuck knows. It may be we took a tax hit on Hakimi when we sold him, for example, covered by the plusvalenza
 

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Why are you so angry in every topic you visit? :D
 

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Sheesh Morata? Surely there has to be a better option somewhere in the market. The guy just doesn’t score goals. How many big teams have to buy him sell him before it’s common knowledge?
 

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Fucking Morata sigh. Precisely what I feared most, absolute disaster. If Morata comes they better spend the rest of the money on a top quality CB at least. Suning shame on you
Offcourse it will be Morata. It has to be. That was obvious when we couldn’t sign Lukaku.

Morata isn’t a shit player per se. He’s just a downgrade to Lukaku. Like Sommer will be a massive downgrade to Onana. Bisseck is a massive downgrade to Skriniar. And so year after year we become less competitive. Sick of it.
 
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