André Onana

[brehme1989]

He wasn't even that great at Inter. People just wanted to celebrate whoever replaced Handanovic as if he was the source of any problems.
Once we sorted out our defence during the season, anyone playing GK looked good. We can remember Onana for like 6-7 saves in the entire season and 3 of those came in the same game.

He wouldn't be as bad had he stayed, but Sommer is a much better fit as a GK. And we have adapted to play without needed a GK to distribute the ball. Pavard more than compensates that and also makes us more balanced.

I recall in the last 15 minutes of the CL final how many long balls Onana fucked up just because he tried to reach it to Lukaku. We could have laid the ball down and be more aggressive and put more pressure, but Onana trying to be playmaker cost us like 6-7 minutes of potential attacks.

Overall a good stint at Inter and reaching the CL final gave him a platform and reach in the transfer market, and we could have milked much more for him, but replacing him was a prudent move. The delay was worrying though. And honestly, I'd prefer signing Trubin, but I'm very happy with Sommer thus far.

 

[Besnik]

He wasn't even that great at Inter. People just wanted to celebrate whoever replaced Handanovic as if he was the source of any problems.
Once we sorted out our defence during the season, anyone playing GK looked good. We can remember Onana for like 6-7 saves in the entire season and 3 of those came in the same game.

He wouldn't be as bad had he stayed, but Sommer is a much better fit as a GK. And we have adapted to play without needed a GK to distribute the ball. Pavard more than compensates that and also makes us more balanced.

I recall in the last 15 minutes of the CL final how many long balls Onana fucked up just because he tried to reach it to Lukaku. We could have laid the ball down and be more aggressive and put more pressure, but Onana trying to be playmaker cost us like 6-7 minutes of potential attacks.

Overall a good stint at Inter and reaching the CL final gave him a platform and reach in the transfer market, and we could have milked much more for him, but replacing him was a prudent move. The delay was worrying though. And honestly, I'd prefer signing Trubin, but I'm very happy with Sommer thus far.

I don't think there's anyone who meant "he was great" as great as Handanovic for example, but that great means that he's done very well to what he was supposed to. I don't feel comfortable that I'd bring Handa as a problem of the team, but sadly he was the biggest reasons of poor results during that particular period. He's declined rapidly which made entire defence collapse and kind of lose confidence as a group.

You said it well, "once we sorted out our defence", well that's because we replaced Handa with Onana. There was far more communication and effort. Onana was never close to Handa's level in term of goalkeeping, but his contribution in overall made us look kind of better and his ability to contribute in the build-up play was decisive to bounce back.

Sommer has been rock solid so far, but his ball destribution is inferior to Onana, which I don't mind because he's still managed to remain productive in this team. But to discredit Onana's contribution is quite delusional to me. I mean, it's okay to criticize where it's due or vice versa, but ffs be realistic. We were far quick and direct with Onana. He's managed to get himself involved indirectly in many goals. Some of his deliveries and quick ball movements were decisive in our build-up play. These things won't be shown in the stats but these who followed Inter throughoutly will know that Onana was essential to Inzaghi's style of play.

Don't wanna sound like I don't appreciate Sommer, but there is a difference between these two. Now we're getting used to another gk whom is great at goalkeeping but not as good as previous gk while on ball possession.

You're bringing up way too many minor details just to justify your unfair criticism. Of course one will commit mistakes as long as he tries a lot. It's like saying, Dimarco's crossing sucks in overall because he delivers way too many misplaced passes. Make no mistake, I don't mean Onana is THAT good, but his adventure with Inter was nothing less than great.

 

[brehme1989]

I don't think there's anyone who meant "he was great" as great as Handanovic for example, but that great means that he's done very well to what he was supposed to. I don't feel comfortable that I'd bring Handa as a problem of the team, but sadly he was the biggest reasons of poor results during that particular period. He's declined rapidly which made entire defence collapse and kind of lose confidence as a group.

Several people think that Handanovic was never good or that he was the root of all problems. Let's not pretend we signed up here yesterday.

You said it well, "once we sorted out our defence", well that's because we replaced Handa with Onana. There was far more communication and effort. Onana was never close to Handa's level in term of goalkeeping, but his contribution in overall made us look kind of better and his ability to contribute in the build-up play was decisive to bounce back.

That's completely inaccurate and debunked multiple times.

We had a better defensive record with Handanovic than with Onana and the goals conceded under Onana were typically more on the goalkeeper than the other way around.

All this revisionist nonsense started only once Brozovic returned to the team and that's where we balanced the team defensively. And offensively, too. And that's when Hakan also started to get more accustomed to his role.

Sommer has been rock solid so far, but his ball destribution is inferior to Onana, which I don't mind because he's still managed to remain productive in this team. But to discredit Onana's contribution is quite delusional to me. I mean, it's okay to criticize where it's due or vice versa, but ffs be realistic. We were far quick and direct with Onana. He's managed to get himself involved indirectly in many goals. Some of his deliveries and quick ball movements were decisive in our build-up play. These things won't be shown in the stats but these who followed Inter throughoutly will know that Onana was essential to Inzaghi's style of play.

He was a quick outlet which led to some goals, like the Barcelona away game for example comes to mind. But at the same time, we conceded several attacks (and goals) because of this, as the team wasn't properly set up defensively with his quickness of sending the ball to the other side.

I just highlighted the most important game of the season where he pretty much started wasting our chances, yet you could see how easier it became when we played proper Simonepalla to get to their box.

Don't wanna sound like I don't appreciate Sommer, but there is a difference between these two. Now we're getting used to another gk whom is great at goalkeeping but not as good as previous gk while on ball possession.

You're bringing up way too many minor details just to justify your unfair criticism. Of course one will commit mistakes as long as he tries a lot. It's like saying, Dimarco's crossing sucks in overall because he delivers way too many misplaced passes. Make no mistake, I don't mean Onana is THAT good, but his adventure with Inter was nothing less than great.

How can something be great when he started in barely half the games and in half of those we conceded silly goals (Bayern, Salernitana) and the chances we conceded in games where we had clean sheets were mostly limited to pre-game practice shootouts?

You realize that Onana was 18th in saves in Serie A that season? 18th! Only Terraciano made less saves than him from GKs with similar amount of games played!
Save percentage? 9th

Inter's record with Onana vs with Handanovic? Check previous posts in the thread. I don't want to start mentioning it again and be painted as a "hater" because that's what stating facts to people who aren't willing to change their mind when presenting with the facts call others.

Plays first game od AFCON
Faces 3 shots
Gets 3 goals

I watched the game. He sucks. It seems that Inter's great defense very well concealed the fact that he's actually a terrible goalkeeper.

Can't comment on the game, but he has no fault in either of the 3 goals

 

[varmin]

He was great in one aspect - ball control and distribution with his feet. That is quite important for our style. But Sommer is doing pretty decent job for now. Totally unexpected for me. I mean, I thought that he probably is a better shot stopper, but not so good with his feet.

 

[IM21]

benched by a reserve gk in a french 3rd league team fighting relegation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1749832066387095799

 

[IM21]

handa taught him well

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753180405870567470

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753178175327072579

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Honestly, for some small fee, Id 100% take him back. Inzaghi will make a good use of him before we skin Chelsea for some 30m.

 

[crzdcolombian]

Honestly, for some small fee, Id 100% take him back. Inzaghi will make a good use of him before we skin Chelsea for some 30m.

He isn’t benching Sommer. He going to have to eat a huge slice of humble pie and go to Portugal or Holland for 1/30th his wages to start again after manure finally cuts him loose

 

[brehme1989]

I'd only take him back if they give us Hojlund as well.

Onana + Hojlund for Dumfries + 4m

 

[wera]

So far hockey assist for the goal and two great saves against City. This could bring his confidence back

 

[IM21]

will come in 2028 for free

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765426168121917854

 

[Jane The Virgin]

The best thing Onana did for Inter was agreeing to go to Man Utd.

I can't believe I'm the only one who wants to throw up everytime someone brings "he was amazing with his feet"

He is a goalkeeper, fuck amazing with his feet, and that "his ball distribution was amazing" bs. The latter i think is more of a meme. Some goal.com wanna be editor wrote that before a game, and then every website started to use that, just so they use more letters, something similar to when you write about, let's say Pavard and you don't use Pavard when referring to him but "the ex Bayern Munich, Germany title winner and world cup finalist will be ready this weekend".

It's lazy and pretentious writing.

Can someone give me enough evidence that his amazing feet and ball distribution MADE a difference in our game so massive that we can't let it go(?), and got us points? Or saved us from losing?


On and off with his national team. Just stop romanticizing about someone that was never that good. Ever.

It's the same as saying Palacio was a gangster forward, just because he was an ok goalkeeper that one time and good with hands.

 

[brehme1989]

The long ball in that Nou Camp goal was superb but no one talks about the 3 goals he conceded

 

[PHM1605]

The best thing Onana did for Inter was agreeing to go to Man Utd.

I can't believe I'm the only one who wants to throw up everytime someone brings "he was amazing with his feet"

He is a goalkeeper, fuck amazing with his feet, and that "his ball distribution was amazing" bs. The latter i think is more of a meme. Some goal.com wanna be editor wrote that before a game, and then every website started to use that, just so they use more letters, something similar to when you write about, let's say Pavard and you don't use Pavard when referring to him but "the ex Bayern Munich, Germany title winner and world cup finalist will be ready this weekend".

It's lazy and pretentious writing.

Can someone give me enough evidence that his amazing feet and ball distribution MADE a difference in our game so massive that we can't let it go(?), and got us points? Or saved us from losing?


On and off with his national team. Just stop romanticizing about someone that was never that good. Ever.

It's the same as saying Palacio was a gangster forward, just because he was an ok goalkeeper that one time and good with hands.

"Amazing with feet" brings another dimension to our tactics. Allowing our defender move some meters higher and stretch their defence a bit more. Ball moving is much faster than short passing upfront hence the opponent midfielders dont have enough time to run back to cover

Notice the bold word. Key is what your teammates doing after receiving the long balls. Half a second clumsier; or nobody cares/ too slow to race upfront for a counter then those long balls become useless. Exactly the situation at ManUtd now.

There is no black and white. Being great with reflexing is a plus. Distribute balls good is another plus. Sommer is better at some points has nothing to do with underrating Onana other qualities. He is flopping at ManUtd-the-team. He reached CL with Inter-the-team and played a big part. Proven, period. You guys should stop looking at that mess of a team to judge players when everyone from them work well here. Young, Darmian, Lukaku, Sanchez. They have no tactics after Fergie to maximize players and shielding their weaknesses.

 

[Jane The Virgin]

My point was that the thing majority of people here praise Onana for, is not and never was a game defining or game changing thing/trait that he was so good at, it actually made massive difference for us and the way football is played in general.

If we can run something to check keywords in this thread, "amazing with his feet" would be the most overused phrase, which makes you believe that he was a magician.

I'm not taking away nothing from him as a goalie. But also not gonna drool over something that it is not there.

For his skills with feet to be so important to even come up in a conversation, he needs to do things that only he as a goalkeeper can change the whole trajectory of a match.

An example would be, we never were losing and then "his amazing feet" got us to draw or win.

Or, we were never 0:0 and "amazing feet" made it 1:0.

Or, we never we lost and in pressure in a game, and somehow his feet change that.

I think this all started as a part of a sentence somewhere and little by little the snowball effect got out of control. By the time someone could say something about it, it was too late and you would be labeled as ignorant or someone who just simply, doesn't get it.

Hm, let me think of a another phrase that is used to describe (or alongside) a player that actually makes sense;

Sergio Ramos, a goal scoring defender.

Heck, a perfect example:

Chilavert, the goalkeeper who scored goals from free kicks like it was a joke.



That's my point, there you have a trait behind someone who's primary job isn't that but does it to such degree that changes everything.



While Onana was here, if we had an equally good goalkeeper at his level, with zero "amazing feet", our game wouldn't be so different no matter who was in the goal.

 

[delaurentis]

(source The Athletic) Eric Steele, former goalkeeper of Manchester United, can explain Onana's slow start. "He comes from Serie A. The pace there is inherently slower than in the Premier League. Naturally, it takes some getting used to."

I'm grateful for these magnificent insights we so often read about EPL.
Onana had to get used to the pace? I still haven't gotten used to the EPL's advanced tactics and speed of football. So I fully understand Mr. Steele's opinion why Onana couldn't catch balls or made alot of mistakes.

 

[.h.]

honestly the reaosn Onana looked great at inter is the reason why he's failing at United.

At Inter he had a rock solid defense, so his slight handling/etc frailities weren't as big a deal when you face fewer shots and have a good defense in front of you

At Inter, he faced 83 shots against on target in 24 matches

At United, he's faced 135 shots against on target in 27 matches already.

Of course the impact of that is then it fucks his confidence, which means he makes more mistakes, and it all spirals.

Inter save % was 73.5%, at United its actually about the same in the premiership at 73.3%, but he's faced nearly 75%? more shots...

I feel sorry for him, but its also not entirely his fault, that United team is a fucking disaster, it needs to be completely replaced top to finish.

United is his worst ever (by club) clean sheet % (29.7% United, 46.3% Inter, 38.1% Ajax), save %, etc. He's massively underperforming, and considering that United team, you have to at LEAST put some of the blame on the team.

 

[brakbrak]

honestly the reaosn Onana looked great at inter is the reason why he's failing at United.

At Inter he had a rock solid defense, so his slight handling/etc frailities weren't as big a deal when you face fewer shots and have a good defense in front of you

Not that I disagree with you but I thought you thought inter's defense is shit under Inzaghi?

 

[.h.]

Not that I disagree with you but I thought you thought inter's defense is shit under Inzaghi?

by comparison to United, its the fucking galacticos of defenses though to be fair

and, we started off pretty shit under Inzaghi last season, by the end of the season we got into a much better place - albeit feb/etc is where we lost the chance to win the league, but we conceeded fewer goals. First half of the season we conceeded 25 goals in 19 league matches, 2nd half of the season 17.

(Of course its also important to stress that coincided with the dropping of Handanovic for Onana - Handanovic gave away 18 goals in 14 games in Serie A, and Onana 24 in 24)

 

[brakbrak]

by comparison to United, its the fucking galacticos of defenses though to be fair

and, we started off pretty shit under Inzaghi last season, by the end of the season we got into a much better place - albeit feb/etc is where we lost the chance to win the league, but we conceeded fewer goals. First half of the season we conceeded 25 goals in 19 league matches, 2nd half of the season 17.

Yea I agree. Where did you get sot against? Can you compare this vs De Gea's last 2 seasons? I saw that lots of man utd fans regretting not extending De gea, just wondering how bad onana is in respect to De gea.