André Onana

[Il Drago]

In England they talk about 43m plus 5m bonuses. That's fucking embarrassing.

 

[.h.]

In England they talk about 43m plus 5m bonuses. That's fucking embarrassing.

£43m? or 43m euros? GBP is 50m euros

 

[Il Drago]

£43m? or 43m euros? GBP is 50m euros

Euros. I never post figures in £ else it will get very confusing

 

[.h.]

Euros. I never post figures in £ else it will get very confusing

That'd be low. Lets see how it pans out, I'm expecting 50+bonuses

 

[PHM1605]

We are ALWAYS ffp constrained. Any club which plays in Europe has to obey the basic laws of FFP. Those basic laws of FFP are, right now, 90% of our revenue can be spent on amortisation + wages. In two years time, that goes down to 70%.

I dont know what our current status is, but I think when it was announced a season or two ago, we were at like 110-130%?

What we are, is no longer under an FFP settlement agreement. That's a different thing.



When I talk about other Serie A clubs, I'm also looking at Napoli, Lazio, Juventus, Milan, Roma, etc. All of these clubs are fucked financially - and none of them have had a Newcastle/City/Chelsea style 'new owner comes in and injects 400mil into signing players' transformation. The only club that is remotely healthy is Milan, and as stated above, they've had to operate under VERY SPECIFIC financial constraints. Shit - arguably its even worse for them, they were actually *profitable* last season and still sold a key player.

Juve make 33% more money than we do (baseline recurring, not one-offs eg transfer fees) and they're having to offload a shit tonne this summer just to even get to a point where they can sell to spend.

Stop twisting the words as if it fully excuses for the decision of selling Onana. We receive the green light from FFP, that's the point. So basically the "survive" mode is bullshit. We dont have to sell Onana and still be healthy, thanks to last year success, let alone that desperate for money and turn Inter into sale off mode.

Juve don't play Europe next season. We can. Huge difference.

And stop reacting as if I am asking for a spending spree. I am asking to shut up and don't let the buyers fool us again and again on the table as they all know Suning is nearly broke. At least they themselves are financially healthy. Not that much to ask from a new owner.

 

[.h.]

Stop twisting the words as if it fully excuses for the decision of selling Onana. We receive the green light from FFP, that's the point. So basically the "survive" mode is bullshit. We dont have to sell Onana and still be healthy, thanks to last year success, let alone that desperate for money and turn Inter into sale off mode.

Juve don't play Europe next season. We can. Huge difference.

And stop reacting as if I am asking for a spending spree. I am asking to shut up and don't let the buyers fool us again and again on the table as they all know Suning is nearly broke. Not that much to ask from a new owner.

You really dont get FFP, and you really dont get what the "green light" for FFP was about either. [Just FYI, I could be wrong but I believe it was a statement that we complied with the terms of the 'suspended fine', so we dont have to pay out the full 25mil euro fine or whatever it was, and rather we pay the 'light' fine of 5m euros]

But there's no point labouring it. I've made it clear, if you choose to believe its just because of our owners, you go for it my bro.

 

[bubba zanetti]

For me fundamentally idiotic are two things in this forum: Defending Suning and defending Lukaku. No need to any discussion in forum with clowns that do that.

 

[.h.]

Just a note for anyone else who is following the convo

CF: The new FFP reform explained and where Milan, Inter and Juventus currently stand

It has today been confirmed that UEFA have voted through the new format of Financial Fair Play which will come into effect at the start of the 2024-25 season, when the new format of the Champions League will also come into force.

sempremilan.com

in 20-21, we were at 119% squad cost as a function of revenue

Obviously in that season we won the league, but also, we sold Icardi for significant plusvalenza.

Wages and amortisation should have reduced significantly since then, but we also wont be getting as much plusvalenza atm


I'd hope we're getting quite close to compliance on the basis of our baseline - e.g. recurring revenues vs amortisation+wage. Onana plusvalenza, or - say - exceptional CL revenue boosts the numbers for a specific year, but dont effect subsequent years (unless, as I've said for years, you build a squad that "assumes" a CL QF placement, for example)


Compliance, I BELIEVE, starts this year (article is wrong/out of date) at 90% and falls to 70% over the next couple of seasons. This is the "risk" I've articulated quite a few times - so for this year, just as an example, +50m from Onana massively boosts our 'FFP compliance' as such, but then spending that money in subsequent seasons "reduces" our compliance in 24-25, etc. Of course if we use that boost to improve our squad and get to, say, CL R16, then its overall a net benefit for the club.

It's a little different to previous FFP where it was a 3 year window that mattered, so you could have amazing plusvalenza in 19-20, and it'd still count for 20-21, and 21-22 where you could incur massive losses still. Now it looks like every year is considered in isolation.


It'd be interesting to keep up the spreadsheet to see roughly where we stand atm. We've reduced a lot of wages recently, but its important to stress - under this model, last year's CL run wont contribute towards this year's FFP for example. If we 'miss' our financial targets, we will need to plusvalenza *in that season* to cover it for FFP compliance.



Another aside, also, from that link you can see how Napoli, Juve, Roma, Lazio, etc are all non-compliant. Milan were just about compliant that year - they should be fine this year with Tonali plusvalenza, but that's the budget regime we'd have to operate under to be FFP compliant right now. This is why I keep saying, all of Italy is fucked and its not an 'Inter' or even a Zhang problem.

 

[Corrode]

If Inter are owning by a US, Canada, and Germans right now, Onana, Brozovic, and Skriniar wouldn't go for cheap.

I suppose at least Inter can collect 70-100m for Onana, 35-60 for Brozovic, and 65-105 m for Skriniar....

but then inter are owned by chinese freak who didn't know how to manage sport business, let alone bankrupted one like Zhang-Suning...

 

[PHM1605]

You really dont get FFP, and you really dont get what the "green light" for FFP was about either. [Just FYI, I could be wrong but I believe it was a statement that we complied with the terms of the 'suspended fine', so we dont have to pay out the full 25mil euro fine or whatever it was, and rather we pay the 'light' fine of 5m euros]

But there's no point labouring it. I've made it clear, if you choose to believe its just because of our owners, you go for it my bro.

I feel like you are the type of guy "I fully trust the current management + top. So let's make some sense out of their whatever-decisions". Wrong or conflicts doesn't matter lol.

Even if the two opinions as opposite as "we have to sell Onana on cheap because we need money" and "buy a 30yo snake for 30m annual cost". Then being ask about the burden next year..."I dont know but Suning+management team will find a way to sort things out" (?!?). How the two do not have one wrong at the same time and in the same context.

Yeah bro, you are only defending only to be on Zhang side. You dont even care about his succesor background.

 

[.h.]

I feel like you are the type of guy "I fully trust the current management + top. So let's make some sense out of their whatever-decisions". Wrong or conflicts doesn't matter lol.

Even if the two opinions as opposite as "we have to sell Onana on cheap because we need money" and "buy a 30yo snake for 30m annual cost". Then being ask about the burden next year..."I dont know but Suning+management team will find a way to sort things out" (?!?). How the two do not have one wrong at the same time and in the same context (?!?)

Yeah bro, you are only defending only to be on Zhang side. You dont even care about his succesor background,

If thats what you take away from all that, I'm really gonna stop here

I've said repeatedly in the last season that I dont see any way out for Zhang to solve the debt problem at Inter, for example.... The only person here who is overly simplistic is you who just thinks ZHANG BAD, like some sort of 3 year old who doesnt grasp complex concepts. There are good things, there are bad things. There are plenty of bad things. Many of those bad things are entirely out of their control, as well. Read the last 5 posts from me with an open mind rather than a (HURR FUCK ZHANG) mind and you'll learn a lot.




it's getting to the point of a waste of effort. Have a good one my bro, I hope the new ownership lives up to your expectations. I'd love to have that, but I think functionally its very unlikely.

 

[Matawil]

I think the main complain here is about the fee our players being sold at, skriniar onana and brozovic are being sold at a combined fee of 70 million euros. Those are three world class players at their prime . This a huge question mark on the owners/management.

 

[.h.]

I think the main complain here is about the fee our players being sold at, skriniar onana and brozovic are being sold at a combined fee of 70 million euros. Those are three world class players at their prime . This a huge question mark on the owners/management.

Skriniar was a big miss out for sure, but at the same time, I imagine people would have fucking revoluted if we sold Skriniar that summer, and IIRC we were still expecting him to renew and he'd made some noises about it

Broz has been discussed enough at length, and no more needs to be said on that.

Onana at 50mil - I'm curious if anyone has any examples of a player signed on a Bosman, then sold 12 months on for a higher fee? For 50mil I personally would rather keep Onana, and I said as much exiting last season, but if we need to sell to invest and our team definitely does need investment - I'd love to know what people would rather do instead? Bastoni? Lautaro? Barella? I'd rather keep all 3 of those players over Onana, tbh.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

In England they talk about 43m plus 5m bonuses. That's fucking embarrassing.

Selling Onana to fucking United for 43 million alone would be enough to fire Bepe and Ausilio. Selling Onana for 43 million and buying Sommer for 10 mln and Troebin for 20 mln would be historically stupid…

 

[Corrode]

Selling Onana to fucking United for 43 million alone would be enough to fire Bepe and Ausilio.

If an Onana type of footballer who had done a superb season in Dortmund or Leipzig, this 43 m money would be labelled up to doubled amount automatically.

 

[FCBarca]

Rice: 117
Onana: 50

??

Naive comparison

50M ranks among the most expensive for a GK for a player you got on a free a year ago - it's a sensational deal

 

[crzdcolombian]

£43m? or 43m euros? GBP is 50m euros

Haha 43 m euros for one of our top 5 players to buy an unknown guy 2 months ago for 40m euros

One of those numbers is defiantly wrong

 

[#NotForMe]

I see one side of the argument keeps pointing out how cheap we got Onana (free), so even we sell for cheaper than we should it is ok.

No there are 2 components in here one is the cost (free) kudos on that, and also how well we sell.

Imagine you bought a stock for 10 bucks and it raised to a market price of 100 and selling it for 60 and said you did a good job cause you made a 50 bucks profit.

 

[.h.]

I see one side of the argument keeps pointing out how cheap we got Onana (free), so even we sell for cheaper than we should it is ok.

No there are 2 components in here one is the cost (free) kudos on that, and also how well we sell.

Imagine you bought a stock for 10 bucks and it raised to a market price of 100 and selling it for 60 and said you did a good job cause you made a 50 bucks profit.

Well, the difference with a stock is you have a set of buy orders, and a set of sell orders, which effectively underwrite the liquidity

we're in a situation where there's one buy order, no one else.

so the analogy really doesnt work imho


thing is, we're in a tricky position. If Onana *is* our liquidity for the summer, then we either have to accept, or reject, or negotiate the offer. Sure, we can push for 70m, but we also need to consider Man utd walk away, and we dont invest in the team.

As I've said repeatedly this window - the real question comes down to... How else would you guys like to make 50mil plusvalenza? Barella? Bastoni? Lautaro?


I'd sell any other player in the team ahead of Onana, except for those 3. But no one wants to buy Dumfries for plusvalenza, or Gosens. There's no rumoured demand for Hakan, we're struggling to offload Correa....


So right now its... keep Onana, leave the squad mostly unchanged, and fill it out with youth players (squad is 18 people right now, so we need 7 youth. For arguments sake lets go Stankovic, Fabbian, Agoume, Lazaro, Males, Sensi, and fuck-even-knows-who in defense, maybe Fontanarosa?) - how do we feel about our season if that's the team?

Onana

Darmian Acerbi Bastoni

Dumfries ----------------------- Dimarco
Hakan Frattesi Barella

Thuram Lautaro




Stankovic
Fontanarosa De Vrij Bisseck

Lazaro ----------------------- Gosens
Sensi Asllani Mkhi

Correa Males

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With bench - Di Gennaro, Fabbian, Agoume



To me, that's light in midfield (good numbers of midfielders but past Mkhi you get into rough territory with Sensi, Asllani, Fabbian, Agoume), light in defense (no reliable backup, De Vrij is a shit at the moment and Bisseck is unknown), crap at RWB, and extremely light up top. One major injury and we're going to be fucking goalless.

 

[FCBarca]

I see one side of the argument keeps pointing out how cheap we got Onana (free), so even we sell for cheaper than we should it is ok.

No there are 2 components in here one is the cost (free) kudos on that, and also how well we sell.

Imagine you bought a stock for 10 bucks and it raised to a market price of 100 and selling it for 60 and said you did a good job cause you made a 50 bucks profit.

To suggest, much less expect, a gk in this market to go for 70% higher than 50M is pretty staggering logic

Haggling over pennies when you have already made an incredible profit on his play & sale - goalkeepers in the modern game rarely go for obscene amounts of money and 50 is a fee that reflects well on the player. A player who doped and fell out at Ajax, turned around and made a huge move - no one can feel they've been fleeced, foolish to spin it any other way