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DARi0

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What source are you talking about? Rumors could be discussed in the Midfielders-Rumours-Thread thread.
Or perhaps it`s wishful thinking so you`re looking for the Player-Suggestions thread?

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now can we stay on the Eriksen topic? There might be higher chances of Pochettino taking over at Real and loaning him in :lol:
 

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I believe Bergomi was referring to the fact that Eriksen failed to adapt in Italy and was not up for the expected standards based on his past performances. Inter spent the entire winter mercato to sign him, so he can contribute to our final sprint. Inter payed €27m just to have him 5 or 6 months earlier! This means Inter could have signed De Paul for instance last winter. Or other player that would actually CONTRIBUTE. Eriksen was about to be free anyway in summer, and with the salary he is pocketing, there are high chances he would have chosen Inter ;)

It would appear that way if you feel that this was Bergomi's intention. But he clearly stated that Inter wasted time and energy to enforce him to settle, which means of course playing time and adjusting systems. Which was never necessary and ironically Eriksen was not the player that the system was changed for as he barely featured after the Conte twist of the 3-5-2 into a double pivot. Eriksen could have easily been slotted into the role that Sensi had earlier into that season.

But Bergomi clearly says here that Eriksen was not worth the transfer (not fuoriclasse) and that he cost us points by featuring in the lineup.
 

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What source are you talking about? Rumors could be discussed in the Midfielders-Rumours-Thread thread.
Or perhaps it`s wishful thinking so you`re looking for the Player-Suggestions thread?

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now can we stay on the Eriksen topic? There might be higher chances of Pochettino taking over at Real and loaning him in :lol:

My source is Michael. It's on the page. Now stop being rude to me, softie
 

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I believe Bergomi was referring to the fact that Eriksen failed to adapt in Italy and was not up for the expected standards based on his past performances. Inter spent the entire winter mercato to sign him, so he can contribute to our final sprint. Inter payed €27m just to have him 5 or 6 months earlier! This means Inter could have signed De Paul for instance last winter. Or other player that would actually CONTRIBUTE. Eriksen was about to be free anyway in summer, and with the salary he is pocketing, there are high chances he would have chosen Inter ;)

Udinese wanted 40m for De Paul last January so we couldn't have signed him with Eriksen money. And it was never between Eriksen and De Paul. Conte had actually blocked De Paul move to Inter 6 months earlier. It always was between Eriksen and Vidal. Despite how things ended up with Eriksen i have no regrets for not spending 20 freaking millions on 33 year old Vidal who joined Inter for free few months later.

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If we do a swap for Tolisso, I'm totally up for that, since I see Tolisso starting over Vidal.

Maybe for you but not for Conte. Benching his beloved Vidal isn't an option for him. Anyway, i can't see why Bayern would be interested in Eriksen when they play with 4-2-3-1 and they have Muller in a crazy form and i also can't see them selling Tolisso after Kimmich injury.
 

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My source is Michael. It's on the page. Now stop being rude to me, softie
Ah, you mean Corriere dello Sport :D Well that article says "Bayern Munich could join the Christian Eriksen sweepstakes this January. The idea, CdS claims, is to do an exchange with Corentin Tolisso.

Besides Bayern Munich, there are also Paris Saint Germain, Borussia Dortmund and Premier League clubs."

I guess you saw what you reap.

Udinese wanted 40m for De Paul last January so we couldn't have signed him with Eriksen money. And it was never between Eriksen and De Paul. Conte had actually blocked De Paul move to Inter 6 months earlier. It always was between Eriksen and Vidal. Despite how things ended up with Eriksen i have no regrets for not spending 20 freaking millions on 33 year old Vidal who joined Inter for free few months later.
I remember very well how it went, it was this year still. Was just using De Paul as an example, as club is trying to force him over Conte again, as there are not enough funds for Kante. If Eriksen totally fails, beyond Conte, Marotta is going to be the one looking bad. So I don`t understand why Conte is giving Eriksen this treatment, as much as I want to.
 

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If we do a swap for Tolisso, I'm totally up for that, since I see Tolisso starting over Vidal.

Wanna bet both gags and Vidal would be ahead of tolisso in the pecking order for conte?
 

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I have the feeling that Ausilio and Marotta risked because it was Eriksen... something among the lines of "fuck it, if he doesn't succeed, there will definitely be someone to buy him from Inter at a better price". We totally plumeted his worth though, so let's see what we can get out of this guy.
My prediction is a loan deal with Dortmund in the winter, and then a permanent transfer in the summer. Dortmund needs a player like him, they currently play with Gio Reyna who's 17 years old.

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Reyna is 18. And he plays because he's been performing not because of a lack of options. In any case Brandt is very suitable for that role. It's a mystery why Favre play him on the wing. That said I do think Eriksen would do well at Dortmund with their one touch, triangles and off the ball movements. But as I've said before Dortmund has more urgent needs than another AMF.
 

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I wish I had the confidence of an Italian pundit who lives everyday with the belief that the "tactical superiority" of the serie a is the reason why a player like eriksen is unsuccessful in italy. Tactically it's different, sure, but superior? Fuck right off. Superiority would manifest in European competition, but just call it a lack of "grinta", peel the headset off and go cash your cheque.

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I wish I had the confidence of an Italian pundit who lives everyday with the belief that the "tactical superiority" of the serie a is the reason why a player like eriksen is unsuccessful in italy. Tactically it's different, sure, but superior? Fuck right off.

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It probably used to be true. Now you have Pep, Klopp, Mourinho, and Ancelotti all managing in the same league. Slightly superior to Pirlo, Pioli, Conte, and Gattuso :lol:
 

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The "tactical superiority" doesn't have to do with who is in charge of managing a team, so the names of some managers being in one league doesn't mean squat.

The problem Italian football faces is that it absolutely abandoned the "tactical" aspect of it because it lagged behind in money and it had to "sell" its product. And it had to create a 'cheaper' product to sell, the quality of players did not really match the league's prestige for a period of time (especially 2013-2017) where we've seen a replacement of tactically astute players of questionable quality coinciding with many useless players that just have three lungs. Of course, this is a catch-22 situation, as the lack of money has forced Italian clubs to start buying lesser talent.
In previous eras, the tactically astute mediocrities (think Gagliardini or Nocerino) were paired with technically astute stars like Roberto Baggio, Francesco Totti, Enrico Chiesa, Roberto Mancini, Alessandro Del Piero, Beppe Signori, Gianfranco Zola before leaving etc from Italians and a bunch of elite foreigners that were usually superstars or world class players, as well as some good enough foreigners.

Given how football has changed and club culture and mentality doesn't mean shit anymore and it's all about what kind of budget you operate and how competent you are in managing it, there's some awkward uniformity between teams and the players constantly switch sides so there's no real identity, while these players barely elevate the level of the clubs they are playing for, but simply rotate jerseys for a season or two.

There's a difference between pairing Nocerino, Ambrosini and Abate with Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva and and Nesta and pairing them with Taraabt, Poli and De Jong. The difference is that you drop 8 places in the standings.

Still, tactically Serie A is indeed superior to the Premier League. And the Bundesliga. And the Liga. What it lacks is in quality. There is a lot of quality, but it is more concentrated at the top teams and other teams have a few players that could be excellent at better teams but just do not have the chance to be there. Bruno Fernandes for example is hyped as one of the best PL players. He was a player that was regarded as a poor man's Rodrigo De Paul in Serie A (he was playing for Udinese when they started having these crap finishes and then moved to Sampdoria who were also quite crap, and he wasn't even a regular fixture). Mohamed Salah was always a good player but ask any Roma fan and they probably didn't really like him playing vs smaller sides that parked the bus, he was ineffective. And while he scored a lot, he missed a lot more. At Liverpool he has multiple times more attacks and let's face it, an easier time moving forward. Everyone claimed he was Ballon d'Or. So while the quality is diminished in Italy, the same applies elsewhere. The very best talent in the world is concentrated at Bayern, Barcelona, PSG and Real Madrid. Then you have some teams with 3-4 very high quality players where you have Liverpool, Manchester City and Juventus. But after that, it's not really special. There were times where there was far more talent in the world and the concentration of it wasn't even as near. So being tactical mattered a lot more than it does now. It's one thing to face a team that can field a couple of Ballon D'Or contenders that are paired with 10-12 players on the roster that would automatically be starters anywhere else and another to face a situation where all the top teams pair 4-5 top players with a bunch of relatively average ones. You can exploit that. Now if you're lucky the top teams have 1-2 weaknesses and as a mid-tier team you can expect to exploit that once every ten attempts. Tactics do not matter anymore as the rosters are far too disproportionate.

You can still sense this the way teams are set up. It's not like other leagues do not engage with tactics, but you rarely see coaches adapting to a game that changes as much as they do in Italy. We've been unlucky enough that our last four (real) coaches were Mazzarri, Mancini, Spalletti and Conte, who yes, are Italian, but have been extremely stubborn. Only Mancini would throw a setup change but mostly out of desperation.


But the Italian philosophy was never really clever about the attacking phase. It was mostly about letting the 'artists' do their work. The 'artists' have been replaced due to modern football, as there's less players with these qualities these days, and the select few that exist will not seek a situation where they'll fit but rather a monetary one. Think Alexis Sanchez. In truth, creative players tend to be happier in Serie A, provided that they have the coach's backing to enjoy a certain degree of liberty. Eriksen does not have that. Recoba was not lucky during his time at Inter as not many coaches appreciated his talent (but he speaks of Novellino as if he's talking about some deity) and you don't tell a player like Diego Maradona, Roberto Baggio or Ronaldo how to play football. You just tell everyone else to give them the ball.


Guardiola has been successful because he allows this offensive liberty as well. This is unlike the 'Dutch way' which is pretty much passing the ball until you run out of the pitch and end up scoring a goal.
Klopp allows a similar degree of freedom, but he expects some patterns. Mourinho is also like this.
The top Italian coaches such as Capello and Ancelotti also allowed this complete freedom. Trapattoni on the other hand was this way but when he became older he wanted to change his ways and it didn't work out well (see Italy 2004).


And we have Conte, who may allow some offensive players the liberty when they're up front, to a lesser degree that Cuper did or Simeone does but is far more similar in that aspect than to the other coaches. But Conte expects the attack to flow in a specific manner, a very micromanaging one, which is similar to what most Dutch coaches do but in the opposite direction. Creative players are suffocated in such systems and they can only have room if they are highly technical and are too good to be benched. Eden Hazard at Chelsea for example didn't enjoy much freedom with Conte, but he was the best fit for the formation opted and he was also exceptional. Eriksen is a great player, but he doesn't have the 'wow' factor that Hazard has. We also do not employ a system that allows him to play at his highest level. Would he fail if he played in the 3-5-2? Of course not. He'd actually be pretty good, but he wouldn't be a world beater of course. And no, Eriksen does not need the whole team to be built around him, but he sure does need to be in a position to have control of the ball for far longer than most other players.
 

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He ain't gonna start...
 

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Of course he's not gonna start,he wont play any minute that's much higher possibility.
 

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Fuck you for creating more chances in 10 mins than the rest of these scums in 80 mins.
 

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Even after the way he has been treated he gave his all in the 5 minutes he played. I wish I could say the same about other players.
 

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He deserves our respect. Thank you Christian
 

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This is Tottenham Eriksen. Always active make key passes, and shoot whenever he got chance.

The problem is whenever he playing in Serie A, Conte ask him to doing what Gagliardini do.
 

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Imagine what he would have done if he had more than 5 minutes in this game or in the Europa League final in August?



Actually, who cares?! We got to see Gagliardini show off his great stamina for 75 minutes in both games all the whilst doing nothing useful, but unlike Eriksen, he gets 'It'! Ask Bergomi if you want to find out what 'It' actually is.
 

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Even after the way he has been treated he gave his all in the 5 minutes he played. I wish I could say the same about other players.

The guy was running from the other side of the pitch to take a corner kick like 5 seconds before the ball was out and it wasn't even certain that Perisic would not fuck it up... That's urgency and determination.

Hopefully this cameo will alert our management and if Conte isn't out by January, they at least stand firm and not let him go.
 

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Good cameo, was happy to see him.
 
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