José "The Special One" Mourinho

[monster09]

I am sure he can turn it around, but that press conference was strange to say the least. What are you talking about up there? If you just said post match that you are the coach and its on you, that would have been the end of it, why are u talking about ur games against United and the last couple of years? U lost at home to an average team compared to yours with you leaving Mata on the bench and your tactics backfiring on you, the end.

Exactly. Since Sevilla game, he did nothing but talk shit about players. Wonder how he thinks players will respect him after the shit show.

Btw, this is what he said in 2004 when Porto won against Manutd (btw Scholes goal was ruled out for offside when he was clearly onside).

"I understand why Ferguson is a bit emotional. He has some top players in the world and they should be doing a lot better than that.

"You would be really sad if your team gets as clearly dominated as that by an opponent who has been built on maybe ten per cent of the budget."

He is just making excuses after excuses.

Started with we have good squad and depth for title challenge, now says players aren't good enough.

He will still be ManUtd coach next year, I'm sure of that but hopefully PSG or some team takes him away.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

I am sure he can turn it around, but that press conference was strange to say the least. What are you talking about up there? If you just said post match that you are the coach and its on you, that would have been the end of it, why are u talking about ur games against United and the last couple of years? U lost at home to an average team compared to yours with you leaving Mata on the bench and your tactics backfiring on you, the end.

When he talked about the results since Ferguson I think he was spot on. People want to have results as fast as Guardiola had with City. Impossible since when Mourinho came to Utd it was a fucking shit show, you can't deny this.

Van Gaal also cried about not getting the players he needed but instead "talents" like Martial. The whole attackforce of Utd is youngsters except Lukaku maybe? Even he don't have that experience with "big" teams.

If the players was handpicked by Mourinho then he can go screw himself and if not then Utd and their supporters should stfu. He have bought a couple of players and every player should have been spot on and since he didn't go on a spending spree like Guardiola to buy 10 new players or how many it now was he can't really cry because of the players if they were handpicked by him.


Something I've been wondering is the Pogba deal, who wanted him?

 

[monster09]

When he talked about the results since Ferguson I think he was spot on. People want to have results as fast as Guardiola had with City. Impossible since when Mourinho came to Utd it was a fucking shit show, you can't deny this.
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Van Gaal also cried about not getting the players he needed but instead "talents" like Martial. The whole attackforce of Utd is youngsters except Lukaku maybe? Even he don't have that experience with "big" teams.

If the players was handpicked by Mourinho then he can go screw himself and if not then Utd and their supporters should stfu. He have bought a couple of players and every player should have been spot on and since he didn't go on a spending spree like Guardiola to buy 10 new players or how many it now was he can't really cry because of the players if they were handpicked by him.


Something I've been wondering is the Pogba deal, who wanted him?

All Jose's signings, that's how it works at ManUtd. Jose wanted Pogba when he was at Chelsea too.

 

[Kev9Inter]

Something I've been wondering is the Pogba deal, who wanted him?

Mourinho

 

[K.I.]

I agree with you, it has been terrible since Ferguson, but that has nothing to do with the Seville match.

I think Jose wanted him, he was talking about how great of a player he can be and that he has all the characteristics of a world class midfielder that can dictate play. In England managers play a bigger role in signing players than in anywhere else.

To me seems like Pogba is best as an AM or an attacking player in a 3 man midfield. He is not suited for a Pirlo or Scholes role which Jose wants him to be. Aside from that though i am sure Injuries have halted his consistency, along with the big price tag and the criticism he gets from his lack of effort on the pitch resulted in him having a terrible season.

At one point though Jose had Matic, Lukaku, De Bryne and Salah playing under him, even Mata was under him at Chelsea when he didn't want him there.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

All Jose's signings, that's how it works at ManUtd. Jose wanted Pogba when he was at Chelsea too.

Yeah, I was just wondering since Van Gaal was crying about the Martial deal I thought maybe Man U just bought Pogba because of his followers or some crazy economic reason.

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I agree with you, it has been terrible since Ferguson, but that has nothing to do with the Seville match.

I think Jose wanted him, he was talking about how great of a player he can be and that he has all the characteristics of a world class midfielder that can dictate play. In England managers play a bigger role in signing players than in anywhere else.

To me seems like Pogba is best as an AM or an attacking player in a 3 man midfield. He is not suited for a Pirlo or Scholes role which Jose wants him to be. Aside from that though i am sure Injuries have halted his consistency, along with the big price tag and the criticism he gets from his lack of effort on the pitch resulted in him having a terrible season.

At one point though Jose had Matic, Lukaku, De Bryne and Salah playing under him, even Mata was under him at Chelsea when he didn't want him there.

I understand why he plays Pogba the way he plays him but maybe its time to stop since its not working? I'm in love of the physical aspect of his play and its a shame if he don't use it.

About having all the players, I remember him talkiing about Mata when he came to Utd. He said that Mata didn't fit his plan at Chelsea and that's why he sold him, not because of his quality. I agree about him having the chance to develope them but its not that easy.

How many coaches can successfully say that they developed many players while winning big throphies? It is a hard task.


Just look at Spalletti, Candreva was playing like complete garbage for so many games and how many chances did Karamoh get? 1 game from start?

 

[K.I.]

Dont get me started at Spalletti, you already know what i think there..

 

[Ronaldo]

Man, that was some funny shit

I cracked up every time he said 'heritage' and I had absolutely no idea what the hell he was talking about


A friend of mine, ManU supporter, after Mourinho left Inter told me that Inter are finished. I was annoyed by that and refused to accept it but he was right. I haven't seen my friend in about 7 years but if I see him soon I'll tell him that it seems ManU are joining the club

 

[wera]

I really hope he doesn't come back here and ruins the perfect memories.

I disagree about the perfect memories (we almost lost the league but somehow Roma choked as well), but I understand your logic.

 

[brehme1989]

I disagree about the perfect memories (we almost lost the league but somehow Roma choked as well), but I understand your logic.

I don't think people really remember Mourinho's Inter. They all remember a few derbies and some CL games in 2010 but looking back, I'm struggling to see how people will remember conceding three goals to teams like Siena, Atalanta and Palermo or some games vs Chievo, Reggina and failing to beat Bari in our treble season. We're not such a nitpicking folk when we're winning.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Nothing of that fucking matters since we won the treble and crushed the best team in the world (ever?).

 

[brehme1989]

Which is just further proof that football is all about winning. Nobody cares about the how and the journey towards the silverware. And I don't include cheating and fixing results obviously.

 

[Demenza Senile]

12 minutes of absolute brutal honesty there.And he is spot on about United's "heritage".A lot of United fans probably not liking their bubble being burst but its all truth.And not just United fans but fans of the EPL in general wont like this sort of truth being spoken to them.The EPL was the best league in the world for about 5-6 years from around 2004 till about 2009-10.And a lot of fans are still living in that period when they claim their league is the best and their clubs are the best.The truth is the EPL has been wank since about 2011 when United reached the final and once again were cannon fodder for Barca.Chelski had a fluke win next year in the UCL but since then the EPL clubs have been quite poor in Europe.They are a step below the big boys of Europe right now.Just as during their dominant period their clubs were a step below Milan till 2007 and a step below Barca from 09.

Sevilla dominated Liverpool in the EL final a few years back.Stream rolled them in the 2nd half.Liverpool failed to beat Sevilla in the group stages this season.The manner in which some EPL fans are behaving right now and putting down Sevilla as some inferior club is pure delusion.Good on The Special One to burst these delusions.

 

[wera]

Which is just further proof that football is all about winning. Nobody cares about the how and the journey towards the silverware. And I don't include cheating and fixing results obviously.

When there are fans like us two that remember shit like that, then no, it's not. We would be long gone from anything that resembles Inter by now, otherwise.

 

[brehme1989]

When there are fans like us two that remember shit like that, then no, it's not. We would be long gone from anything that resembles Inter by now, otherwise.

I'm talking generally. Everyone is in it for the win. Even the fans. Sure, some identify with more things with their clubs like culture, location or random shit, but in general, people become fans of teams because they were winning or as a reaction to that (eg. Italians growing to hate Juventus and support the first team that stops them in their formative years). But most people are fans of teams that are winning or were winning during their formative years when they decided to cheer for those teams.
I'm the complete opposite, I hated perennial winners and preferred the struggle and every team I support has this type of thing going which makes it very frustrating to follow and their cycles are pretty similar so there's usually less joy and more struggle against refs, corruption, crappy managements and whatnot.

Players are in it to win.
Managers are in it to win.
There's an issue now with all that money for every part involved in the sport [enter: agents] and owners that are into profit more than winning, but Italy is still behind in that. But the side effect is that they're more interested in self-promotion than winning as well, but that's the mostly the case everywhere.

History remembers the winners. Fans will remember more things about their own teams, but ask anyone who won Serie A in 1970 and everyone (who knows) will tell you Cagliari. Ask Inter fans in their teens or 20s what position did Inter take that season and everyone shrugs. The correct answer is 2nd btw. Had it been a cup final, it'd be easier to know and remember.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Which is just further proof that football is all about winning. Nobody cares about the how and the journey towards the silverware. And I don't include cheating and fixing results obviously.

Of course. People complaining about Mourinho's tactics being boring and ruining football has never seen Barcelona play in the lead. Pass after pass after pass, 99% of everyone here playing against that kind of tactic in FIFA would have ended up with a broken tv and fucked up house. (used the game FIFA as an example since we got no PRO players here at football)

 

[monster09]

At one point though Jose had Matic, Lukaku, De Bryne and Salah playing under him, even Mata was under him at Chelsea when he didn't want him there.

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Lukaku scored 17-18 league goals for West Brom as 17 or 18 year old. Scored goals for Everton under Koeman and Martinez. Only Chelsea didn't give him any chances after proving himself on loan.

KdB was superb for Bremen, superb for Wolfsburg, even better for City. Only Chelsea didn't give him chances.

Salah was great for Basel, IIRC good for Fiorentina, superb for Roma and even better for Liverpool. Only Chelsea didn't give him any chances.

I think common denominator in all the 3 cases is Jose was the manager. At least he did right thing selling Lukaku as they signed Costa who was very good and won them 2 league titles.

If these players were still coached by Jose, people would still be questioning their talent.

At least one good thing Jose did by selling them is, he stopped Chelsea domination. If Chelsea had Hazard, KdB, Salah then PL would be wetting their pants anytime Chelsea have the ball.

Just shame KdB and Salah ended up in City and Liverpool.

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Yeah, I was just wondering since Van Gaal was crying about the Martial deal I thought maybe Man U just bought Pogba because of his followers or some crazy economic reason.

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Typical Van Gaal. Martial was scouted for sometime but the only reason Monaco sold him was they were knocked out in qualifiers. We had 1 or 2 day window to sign him and we did it.

Van Gaal is like Jose, he takes 0 responsibility. He said he can't play 4-3-3 as we lack wingers like Di Maria. Woodward signed Di Maria and then Van Gaal moaned about Di Maria signing after he was sacked.

He blamed Jose for the way Schweinsteiger was treated by Jose and in the same interview he said Schweinsteiger couldn't handle the pace and intensity of the league and he was a wrong fit.

Compared to Van Gaal, Jose's team is like watching Barca at their peak. We had amazing games and results in big games under Van Gaal but against mid table and lower table teams, it was so pathetic. We even celebrated shots on target, forget goals.

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I understand why he plays Pogba the way he plays him but maybe its time to stop since its not working? I'm in love of the physical aspect of his play and its a shame if he don't use it.

About having all the players, I remember him talkiing about Mata when he came to Utd. He said that Mata didn't fit his plan at Chelsea and that's why he sold him, not because of his quality. I agree about him having the chance to develope them but its not that easy.

How many coaches can successfully say that they developed many players while winning big throphies? It is a hard task.


Just look at Spalletti, Candreva was playing like complete garbage for so many games and how many chances did Karamoh get? 1 game from start?

Good point on Mata. Press were moaning about how Mata will be shipped out, Jose made it clear that Mata didn't fit the way Chelsea wanted to play but for the way he wants ManUtd to play, Mata will fit in.

Pogba in 2 man midfield will work only if the team plays on front foot. If Jose set ups so negatively and asks him to track runners and play like a proper DM then it will never work, just like it won't work if any coach expect attacking passes from Kante.

 

[brehme1989]

What they said: The 11 players to work for Mourinho and Guardiola


Alexis Sanchez is set to become the 12th player to work for both Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola. Here’s what the other 11 have said about the now Manchester United and Manchester City managers…
There’s no single recipe for success in football. Different management styles suit different players. Paternal motivators, ego wranglers, fear merchants, orchestral conductors ‒ they all have their place.
As much as any moment of skill, it’s the game of chess in the technical area that makes football compelling. Sometimes styles clash and it spills over into something altogether more personal.
For the past decade, there’s been no better rivalry than the fire and ice stylings of Mourinho and Guardiola. It’s the ultimate tussle between idealism and pragmatism.
There is, however, some overlap. For Guardiola or Mourinho to get the best out of their squad, they need total buy-in from the players. Commitment and discipline are not negotiable.
It’s an elite sliver of Venn diagram that houses the shared assets of the Spaniard and Portuguese. Here’s a selection of quotes from those with first-hand experience of working for both.

Xabi Alonso
Games under Guardiola: 79
Goals: 6
Trophies: 4
– “At Bayern, we played 90 minutes in the opposition half. I did not have to cover so much ground, I kept my position and made smaller efforts. In the last years, it was very good for me. And I learned so much. It was very enriching.”
– “Most of Pep’s teams try to attack in a small space, and to defend in a bigger space. That’s the difficult part of football. People tend to think of Pep as just focusing on attacking, but I say it’s the opposite. He thinks more about defence. I’ve seen footage of Sergio Aguero running back, David Silva pressing, and I’m sure he’s changing that mentality and intensity at City.”

Games under Mourinho: 151
Goals: 3
Trophies: 5
– “[Mourinho] is 100 per cent competitive and wants to win. He squeezes out what he doesn’t like to get what he wants.”
– “[At Real] There were phases of the game when we were not dominant, but we were in control. For example, there was a feeling that every corner against us was a chance for us. When we countered…with Mesut, who seemed weak but could carry the ball 30 yards brutally, Cristiano ran up the opposite side knowing that he would get the ball at the end of the move.”

Kevin De Bruyne
Games under Guardiola: 80*
Goals: 15
Trophies: 0
– “He’s intense and detailed. Everybody knows what they have to do with the ball and without the ball. I never had a manager so detailed in every moment and aspect of the game, and saying what to do. Some trainers just say whatever, ‘just play’.
“There’s a certain freedom here, but a lot of discipline. The more you come up the pitch, the more freedom there is. In the first 60 metres of the pitch, everybody knows exactly what they need to do to help the team go up. Everybody has to be in position or run to make options for the other guys, and that’s why we can play so much from the back.”

Games under Mourinho: 9
Goals: 0
Trophies: 0
– “It’s true that he said in the press that I wasn’t doing what was needed in training. It was easy to say that because there was no-one to check it ‒ the training sessions were closed to the public…But at that moment, I couldn’t do anything because he would have said I was lying and afterwards he would have used it. Did I ask for training to be done in public? I said it, yes, but not to him personally.”
– “Mourinho told me he wasn’t keen to let me go, not even on loan. But what could I do more?”



Samuel Eto’o
Games under Guardiola: 52
Goals: 36
Trophies: 3
– “As a trainer, he had nothing to show me. He came in, didn’t know the story of the dressing room and said certain things…Pep, perhaps in his desire to win, didn’t respect certain things in football.”
– “Guardiola has never had the courage to say things in front of me. He passed by the players. Xavi told me they wanted me to stay, but I had to talk to Pep. I said, ‘Never, if you don’t respect me, I don’t respect you.’”

Games under Mourinho: 83
Goals: 28
Trophies: 3
– “It’s true that in terms of motivation he is unique. I have worked with plenty of coaches, but Jose is incredible. As a match approaches, he becomes someone else. It’s true that, like everyone, he is human. He is sometimes eccentric. He loses it sometimes like he did with me. But he is someone who never says something against his players. He takes all the pressure on himself.”
– “Jose has changed a lot. I discovered someone exceptional when I came to Inter. At Chelsea, it was already a bit difficult…Let’s be clear: I’ve nothing against Jose. He is able to pick someone, tell him ‘you are the best’ and he’ll have a very good game. But football is evolving.”


Cesc Fabregas
Games under Guardiola: 48
Goals: 15
Trophies: 4
– “Guardiola has always been my idol since childhood. I played in his position and I noticed him. My coach even gave me a shirt signed by him.”
– “With Pep, obviously I learned a different way to understand football tactically in terms of team effort. But we were playing with great players so it becomes a little bit easier in terms of winning titles.”

Games under Mourinho: 69
Goals: 6
Trophies: 2
– “Mourinho makes me feel very important within the team. He allows me to play the way I feel. He makes me feel things that I haven’t felt for a while. To feel important, to play every game. I feel like he trusts me. Sometimes he allows me to give speeches.”
– “I learned a lot from him, his passion for football, his character, his ambition to always win. It’s not easy. The way he pushes his players to improve every day is what impresses me the most.”

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Games under Guardiola: 46
Goals: 22
Trophies: 5
– “I told Guardiola that he’d sacrificed the other players for Messi. He told me he understood me. After that, he put me on the bench for the next game, the one after that and the one after that. I’d walk into a room and he’d walk out. I’d go to meet him and he’d go somewhere else. I understood that there was something beyond football.”
– “I remember on my first day, he told me that the Barcelona players didn’t turn up to training in Ferraris or Porsches. He’d already judged me then, but if you don’t know a person then you can’t judge them. I had my experience with him, I don’t know about others. He wasn’t the worst coach I’d worked under, but he was certainly the most immature because a man solves his problems.”

Games under Mourinho: 100*
Goals: 58
Trophies: 4
– “Mourinho is the disciplinarian. Everything with him is a mind game ‒ he likes to manipulate. Such tricks were new for me ‒ all the time doing one thing to get another thing, all the time triggering me. I like these games and it worked for me.”
– “That guy says whatever he wants. I like him. He’s the leader of his army. But he cares, too. He would text me all the time at Inter, wondering how I was doing. He’s the exact opposite of Pep Guardiola. If Mourinho lights up a room, Guardiola draws the curtains. Mourinho would become a guy I was basically willing to die for.”


Eidur Gudjohnsen

Games under Guardiola: 34
Goals: 4
Trophies: 5
– “Guardiola is more obsessed with the way that his team plays. He is more timid and doesn’t like confrontation.”
– “I just remember what Guardiola said to us again and again. He went through it all and said, ‘Listen boys, this is how we are going to win the final’. Then he set up the team and convinced us, just put it in our mindset that we were going to win it. And that was it. It turned out almost exactly how he said it would.”

Games under Mourinho: 94
Goals: 19
Trophies: 3
– “Mourinho is more chest-out ‘come and get it if you want’. He likes a bit of confrontation and a bit of discussion – and a heated discussion at that.”
– “The press were saying how strict he was and how it was going to be like the army for us for the next few years. Instead, he walked in and showed us a sort of map of what he expected of every individual and how we would work together as a group. A few of us looked at each other that day and said, ‘We’re going to win the league this year’ ‒ and that was just one meeting.”


Maxwell

Games under Guardiola: 89
Goals: 2
Trophies: 10
– “Guardiola is a great man. He always explains to me what he wants and his manners are really calm and polite. It is much better to have this type of coach than one who doesn’t say anything to you.”
– “He stays close to the players, much more than Mourinho does. Maybe it is because he only recently stopped playing football.”

Games under Mourinho: 33
Goals: 1
Trophies: 2
– “The two coaches are very demanding, but with a different mentality and entirely different character. Guardiola is closer and has a gentler way of saying things. I talk to Guardiola after practice and he explains things very quietly and slowly, that’s much better than having a coach who will not say anything.”
– Mino Raiola: “Maxwell’s problem is not Santon, but Mourinho. My client does not want to respect the rest of his contract under Mourinho and prefers to move elsewhere. Maxwell has been badly pushed aside by Mourinho. He did not like the way this situation was handled.”

Pedro

Games under Guardiola: 167
Goals: 58
Trophies: 20
– “Pep has given his all for the team. He has changed my life.”
– “He is faithful to his ideas and he can convince his players to change the philosophy of direct play by playing more elaborate football.”

Games under Mourinho: 17
Goals: 3
Trophies: None
– “He is very different face-to-face. He treats you like one of his family. He values and respects his players and demands much from them.”
– “The truth is that one has an image of him that when you know him, changes a lot. It’s not what it seems. I like the way Mourinho works. I feel comfortable. He has a positive and winning mentality. I am delighted because I like nothing better than winning.”

Claudio Pizarro

Games under Guardiola: 43
Goals: 12
Trophies: Five
– “It takes time to understand what he wants. I’ve been in football a long time and I’ve never had a coach who makes so many changes. For the strikers it’s a bit easier – we just need to put defenders under pressure up front, that’s what he wants.”

Games under Mourinho: 5
Goals: 1
Trophies: None
– “Unfortunately I only had the chance to work with him for a short while. I didn’t really have the chance to show him what I could do.”

Arjen Robben

Games under Guardiola: 97
Goals: 47
Trophies: 8
– “When I started working with Pep…I noticed how he goes much deeper into football. His intelligence is obvious. Tactically he’s one of the best in the world and under him I have made more steps in my development.”
– “The way he wants to play, with a very dominant style, suits me perfectly. And you can discuss anything with him. If it’s 3am, Pep would be happy to talk to you about football.”

Games under Mourinho: 105
Goals: 19
Trophies: 6
– “When I met Mourinho, I was still very young, but mentally and tactically, he worked on me. He was really demanding; you could not take a step below your level.”
– “It was very good to work with him at that age because I was young and with Mourinho you have to be mentally very strong. You have to jump on the train with him or you’re off. So it was great for my development.”

 

[wera]

This was a great read!

 

[Linege]

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