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He’s a good player but last night was just another example of why he will likely never be an elite player. He played well but that penalty….💀

He simply does not perform in the crucial games.
not even a penalty, tbh, its the lack of goals in the top level.

he's had one good CL campaign in his career, and he's scored like 5 in 21 games in the last 2 seasons.
 

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Did he and other players practice penalties? The kicks were so bad, especially Sanchez and Lautaro. And don’t tell me it’s just a mental thing or down to luck. It’s also a technical thing. How you run up, how you make contact, etc. Stats shows penalty conversion rate gets much higher these days because players have done homework and finesse their technique. How about a curved run up? I know Lautaro wants to take responsibility because he’s the captain, but please, if you miss multiple penalties, you have to find ways to fix it, not just hope the ball will go in next time.

Our players’ penalties look like from amateur players. It’s not a surprise, I looked at the players and thought only Hakan and (to a certain extend) Acerbi were reliable takers. I bet Atletico practice penalties A LOT. They are much more experienced than us in these dead or alive battles.
 

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Did he and other players practice penalties? The kicks were so bad, especially Sanchez and Lautaro. And don’t tell me it’s just a mental thing or down to luck. It’s also a technical thing. How you run up, how you make contact, etc. Stats shows penalty conversion rate gets much higher these days because players have done homework and finesse their technique. How about a curved run up? I know Lautaro wants to take responsibility because he’s the captain, but please, if you miss multiple penalties, you have to find ways to fix it, not just hope the ball will go in next time.

Our players’ penalties look like from amateur players. It’s not a surprise, I looked at the players and thought only Hakan and (to a certain extend) Acerbi were reliable takers. I bet Atletico practice penalties A LOT. They are much more experienced than us in these dead or alive battles.
Lautaro is a player who lacks technical ability. It's no surprise he's a poor penalty taker.
 

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A disappointing performance which isn’t entirely on him. Our midfield was horrendous and Thuram kept losing the ball. He did set up Thuram brilliantly fwiw and he also played in Barella for a chance, even though looking back on it, the pass by LM was a bit wayward.

His penalties are shocking though. He looks like he has no confidence in himself when he takes one. Compare that with Hakan and Lukaku before and it was practically a guarantee and everyone, including the GK, knew it.
 

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not even a penalty, tbh, its the lack of goals in the top level.

he's had one good CL campaign in his career, and he's scored like 5 in 21 games in the last 2 seasons.
To be fair inter has had one good cl campaign since he s here.....
Lots and lots of overreactions from inter fans after one loss to a pretty damn good side in the fucken CL..
Look at how shitty real and arsenal looked against way worse oposition
 

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To be fair inter has had one good cl campaign since he s here.....
Lots and lots of overreactions from inter fans after one loss to a pretty damn good side in the fucken CL..
Look at how shitty real and arsenal looked against way worse oposition
cause and effect?

I mean this is the guy who a few years ago had the most shots in the group stages... with a grand total of 0 goals to show for it


This guy has played 11 games at the R16 or beyond level of the CL, and only scored 2x.
 

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This guy has played 11 games at the R16 or beyond level of the CL, and only scored 2x.

Out of how many non-PK goals scored by the team?
 

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Lautaro is a player who lacks technical ability. It's no surprise he's a poor penalty taker.
Maybe we have different opinions of the word "technical ability" in this instance. Lautaro is very skillful player on the ball for me, with a deft touch, excellent control, and some brilliant link up and passing at times. He lacks mostly in composure; we all know it. I mean he's not going to dribble the entire team or score Del Piero goals on the regular but in general I don't know why so many people shit on his technique.

But yes, he is a poor penalty taker.

Edit and additional point: Lukaku is objectively a good penalty taker and considered to have poor technical ability in basically everyone's opnion.
 
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cause and effect?

I mean this is the guy who a few years ago had the most shots in the group stages... with a grand total of 0 goals to show for it


This guy has played 11 games at the R16 or beyond level of the CL, and only scored 2x.
Yeah it s lautis fault when he really only was our main striker last season when we made the final...
Also i hate we people go like he s a striker and they limit his contibution to the team only to goals scored...
Thuram scores that goal where lauti puts him trough and we re not having this discussion...
Also the guy who was pretty massive in that 3:3 at nou camp which put us through the group last year....

People are trying to spin ridiculose narratives.....
Does he still have weeknesses sure but to blame him for our exit here or to say he s not elite because cl is just dumb imho
 

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Believe it or not, Higuaín comparisons are mostly unfair...towards Higuaín.

His goal scoring record with Madrid in the CL was poor (8 in 48 GP; I don't have G/90 stats available because I'm writing on my phone), but with Napoli and Juve (beginning at age 25) he scored 27 goals in 60 CL appearances. Lautaro has 12 in 44 (if I'm reading Fbref correctly; I'll update later if not).

Lautaro is now 26, in that age frame when Higuaín at least became more productive (if not necessarily world class...the guy he failed to beat out at Madrid became one of the greatest goal scorers in CL history), but this CL campaign was very poor from him. Right now, he'd be doing well just to justify the Higuaín comparisons, let alone beat them.
 

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Let's cut the crap about him being elite, he ain't. He is a great striker in seria a terms and that's it. On international and european level they are making memes out of him similar to lukaku, so his fanboys need to relax.

With that being said, I don't want us to get rid of him, he is beyond useful for us and the way we play, plus as i v said a couple of weeks ago he is a natural captain, so I hope he stays and repeats this season in the league next year as well.

The only way I would decide to sell is if he demands an outrageous salary that is not compatible with the performances he puts in every competition. Current salary demands are acceptable for me, but just barely. If he decides to ask for even more than I would consider selling for sure.
 

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His decision making is so fast that sometimes even he can't understand what happened 😀

Also it is what it is, he simple can't take penalties, it's not a good idea to force him. Yes he is Il Capitano but anyway
 

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His decision making is so fast that sometimes even he can't understand what happened 😀

Also it is what it is, he simple can't take penalties, it's not a good idea to force him. Yes he is Il Capitano but anyway
He sees the play evolve too fast and ends up having too much time to ponder it. We need to send him on a meditation retreat or something.
 

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"Martinez, scorer of 26 goals this season, missed Inter's last penalty in the round of 16 to push the Spaniards into the top eight. After the game, a video appeared explaining what happened. The Argentinian forward managed to somehow move the ball before the shot.
It happened in the last step. The ball lifted off the ground as Martinez leaned on his left leg. In the end, he couldn't hit her with his right foot the way he wanted, so it turned out to be a tragedy. A similar thing happened to his teammate Davy Klaassen. Inter's captain has 36 appearances, 26 goals and five assists in all competitions this season and is considered one of the best strikers in the world"
 

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"Martinez, scorer of 26 goals this season, missed Inter's last penalty in the round of 16 to push the Spaniards into the top eight. After the game, a video appeared explaining what happened. The Argentinian forward managed to somehow move the ball before the shot.
It happened in the last step. The ball lifted off the ground as Martinez leaned on his left leg. In the end, he couldn't hit her with his right foot the way he wanted, so it turned out to be a tragedy. A similar thing happened to his teammate Davy Klaassen. Inter's captain has 36 appearances, 26 goals and five assists in all competitions this season and is considered one of the best strikers in the world"
Lots of pitches have that issue and this is why home turf matters with PKs. A team knows its pitch and their players would know how to place their feet there.

Surprisingly Sanchez also was able to hit it properly and still had a bad one.
 

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Let's cut the crap about him being elite, he ain't. He is a great striker in seria a terms and that's it. On international and european level they are making memes out of him similar to lukaku, so his fanboys need to relax.

With that being said, I don't want us to get rid of him, he is beyond useful for us and the way we play, plus as i v said a couple of weeks ago he is a natural captain, so I hope he stays and repeats this season in the league next year as well.

The only way I would decide to sell is if he demands an outrageous salary that is not compatible with the performances he puts in every competition. Current salary demands are acceptable for me, but just barely. If he decides to ask for even more than I would consider selling for sure.
But all the strikers that have similar numbers to his over the last teo years are elite? Common man
 

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Shocking. But to be honest, we all knew what was coming.

For 3-4 seasons I've been saying...

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Its clear Toro isn't because he's regressed badly in terms of confidence and technique. He can at least get up to a 70% conversion rate (a good, consistent penalty taker sits at 80-85%). Shearer (83%) in practice would tell the keeper which way he was going and just whack it till he perfected his technique. With Audero not up to much this has to be the next step in subsequent training sessions. Linekar used to take 50 penalties per training session. Kobe used to take 400 shots a day in practice. Whatever it takes to improve accuracy and increase confidence. Also he should have been our 2nd penalty taker last night.
 

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We are all entitled to our opinions, but saying that he isnt elite is funnier than his penalty miss last night, and that shit was hilarious.
 

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He's not elite as he hasn't performed up to that level in the Champions League. However, that doesn't mean he isn't good enough for us all of a sudden. He's still a big reason (maybe the biggest) why we are in a great spot in the league this season.

In general, we've struggled to have a good scoring record since we came back to the Champions League. In the group stage we scored 8 goals in 6 matches. Last season group stage, we had 10 goals in 6 matches, but 6 of them were against Viktoria Plzen. Going back to Inzaghi's first season, we had 8 goals in 6 matches again (6 of those coming against Sheriff).

Obviously the competition is higher, but we generally have not been a high-scoring team at all. Part of that can be attributed to Lautaro's finishing but the overall team as well.

I thought Lautaro had a decent game yesterday. He's our top scorer but the team did not manage to set up a single chance for him the entire match. The few times we had the chances, we made bad decisions (Dumfries left-footed shot for an easy save from Oblak, and Mkhi on a counter where he tried to play in Thuram instead of Lautaro who was in a better position). When a striker is not getting into chances, they need to try and involve themselves in another way and Lautaro did that. His pass for Thuram was perfect and should have been a goal. His overall game was good, and bigger issue was the first game where he had poor finishing.

Anyway, given our attacking options this season (Thuram, Arna, Sanchez, Lautaro), he's had to be the main scoring threat and he did that. Obviously, he needs to improve in the CL. A lot of it could be mental. He's still young enough that he can improve and mature as a player.

I remember Robben and even Benzema were considered as big game 'chokers' or players who didn't step up in the big games at times, but Benzema really changed that into his 30s, while Robben moved away from that label when he scored against Borussia to win the CL (he previously missed a penalty vs. Chelsea in a CL final and had two famous misses in the WC Final).
 
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