Milan - Inter (EuroDerby II)

[Hammoudi]

I wasn't referring to you Helal, you can blame Cruz and Miha for the fouls. However, some were attacking them and blaming them from the loss, and this is rubbish.

How can you blame someone for a goal when they conceded a foul that they had to? Hindsight is 20/20 and you are saying this after the fact. In both occassions, Pirlo and Sheva had alot of space on the flanks. Yes, it was late in the first half, but the ref would've let Prilo to advance and cross the ball in before whistling. Cruz couldn't stop Prilo, so he had to foul him. Players do this all the time, why the hell is it special this time?

Blame that ***** that doesn't use wingers. Blame that ***** that plays his buddies when they proved twice they suck when played against Milan as wingers. Blame that ***** that brings in Vieri in the most important match of our season when he isn't fit. You are just looking for excuses when blaming Cruz and Miha, go for the root of the problem.

Mark my words, we will not qualify. We don't have a smart coach like Irurteta that knows his opponents' weakness. We don't have a coach like Irureta that doesn't know favouitism whatsoever. We don't have skilled players like Pandiani and Luque who have no fear against Milan.

I am a passionate fan and I believe in my team. If you have hope that we will qualify and build up emotions, you will just be crushed. We might be 3-0 nothing up, but a last minute corner kick will give them a call. What would I do in such situation? I am afraid I will smash the television and curse the day I knew Inter and swear that I will never support them. I really had enough, I don't know any soccer fans suffering like us. We have money, players but we don't have trophies.

And please don't rush back Adriano. The last time we rushed someone to win something, he re-aggreviated his injury and we never saw him. Let Mancio play his Laziale buddies, maybe for him 4 time is the charm. And maybe he will figure out Milan.

And your quote Don T, it said 'men that will explore the power of change.' That's a key word, we have a ***** at the helm who doens't know what change means.

 

[Wittmann]

Congrats man, you will advance. You found a pimp who was willing to let your team come and rape us.

:dielaugh: :dielaugh:

 

[The Count of Anti-Milan]

I wasn't referring to you Helal, you can blame Cruz and Miha for the fouls. However, some were attacking them and blaming them from the loss, and this is rubbish.

How can you blame someone for a goal when they conceded a foul that they had to? Hindsight is 20/20 and you are saying this after the fact. In both occassions, Pirlo and Sheva had alot of space on the flanks. Yes, it was late in the first half, but the ref would've let Prilo to advance and cross the ball in before whistling. Cruz couldn't stop Prilo, so he had to foul him. Players do this all the time, why the hell is it special this time?

Blame that ***** that doesn't use wingers. Blame that ***** that plays his buddies when they proved twice they suck when played against Milan as wingers. Blame that ***** that brings in Vieri in the most important match of our season when he isn't fit. You are just looking for excuses when blaming Cruz and Miha, go for the root of the problem.

Mark my words, we will not qualify. We don't have a smart coach like Irurteta that knows his opponents' weakness. We don't have a coach like Irureta that doesn't know favouitism whatsoever. We don't have skilled players like Pandiani and Luque who have no fear against Milan.

I am a passionate fan and I believe in my team. If you have hope that we will qualify and build up emotions, you will just be crushed. We might be 3-0 nothing up, but a last minute corner kick will give them a call. What would I do in such situation? I am afraid I will smash the television and curse the day I knew Inter and swear that I will never support them. I really had enough, I don't know any soccer fans suffering like us. We have money, players but we don't have trophies.

And please don't rush back Adriano. The last time we rushed someone to win something, he re-aggreviated his injury and we never saw him. Let Mancio play his Laziale buddies, maybe for him 4 time is the charm. And maybe he will figure out Milan.

And your quote Don T, it said 'men that will explore the power of change.' That's a key word, we have a ***** at the helm who doens't know what change means.

Sorry, but this is just dumb. Cruz did not have to foul Pirlo. All he had to do is close down the space and force Pirlo towards the flank. Pirlo is not good at crossing under pressure. Mihajlovic did not have to foul Sheva either. Cruz and Mihajlovic screwed up! End of story!

Now, repeat after me:

THERE IS NO FAVOURITISM!
THERE IS NO FAVOURITISM!
THERE IS NO FAVOURITISM!

Correct me if I am wrong but is this not the same formation that everyone says was extremely unlucky to loose vs. Milan? The same formation which recieved a standing ovation for it's display in spite of the loss, something rarely seen at Italian football grounds? And the same one who had Milan effectively shut down until Cruz decided to play Santa Claus? You lament about Stankovic, yet when Mancini benches him his replacement has you longing for Deki! Kily, Karagounis, VDM all sucked the big one, although this last one is finally starting to look better. And Veron, now he sucks too? WTF ????? And who is better according to you people? Emre? Pleeease!!!!!! Favalli? Who would you like in his stead? Mihajlovic? He has shown much more then Materazzi, it's a fact. So watch what you are writing.

And stop forcing me out of retirement!

 

[Frisko]

I’ve just read a couple of pages of this thread since last night and I’ve got to say that many things you guys posted are just beyond me.

Blaming Mancini for last night’s results? Are you serious? Because we didn’t use wings? Yeah, that would have been so effective, crosses for Cruz, he had such a big chance against Nesta and Stam...

If you watched Milan games this year you’ll know that they always dominate the midfield, that’s one of their main strength, combined with the work of Cafu’ on the right. Well guess what? Cafu’ did very little yesterday, thanks to a great performance by Favalli, and the midfield was ours. C Zanetti was once again our best player, Cambiasso was great too. Veron wasn’t bad at all, he worked hard to win balls back, and Stankovic was very good, he combined well with Favalli.

We conceded 2 goals from set pieces, bad positioning by Cordoba and Mihajlovic. You can’t blame Mancini for that. Mancini succeeded in making us dominate the play and from stopping Milan’s best players, Pirlo, Kaka’, Cafu’, Seedorf. You’re also far too harsh on Cruz, sure his challenge wasn’t good but he’s a freakin striker, he was helping out in defence, just cut him some slack! Cruz also created a great chance for us from a very difficult position inside the area.

Moratti saying that we can't concede so many goals from free kicks? Well he shouldn't tell Mancini! The players know exactly what to do, they're freakin professionals, if they fail it's not the coach's fault, only their own.

Things are just not happening this year against Milan. Did you see what Dida saved last night? How did he save Mihajlovic’s free kick? That was IMPOSSIBLE to save. It was perfectly placed, hit with power and swerve. And then I have to argue that he’s the best keeper in the world.

Once they scored the 1-0, we were screwed. I just couldn’t move during the half time break, I was just sitting there furious and speechless, it just so unfair and cruel to have a tie compromised after such a good performance.

We paid dearly for our mistakes, and nothing went our way, once again, Dida was exceptional, Vieri missed a big chance. Stam vs Martins was definitely great to watch, too bad that when Oba went past him in the first half the assistant referee had to make up a foul by Oba.

Milan played with a full squad and they did almost nothing from open play. Our midfield deserves all the praise, Cambiasso, C Zanetti, Veron and Stankovic are the future of this Inter and we should build around them. Hopefully the club will understand that we must make a big effort and sign a world class CB to really complete this team.

Mancini and the players said that we must keep on believing, that’s almost impossible to do. If anything, I’m very worried about the 2nd leg, we’ll have to attack them and concede them space, I’m afraid to get a beating. Just imagine if we have a right go at them and they score on the counter, what’s going to happen then?

If only Matrix was in the team last night I’m sure he would have stopped one of those headers. Oh well, on the other hand Mihajlovic almost put us ahead after 10 minutes with that glorious free kick.
One thing that made me furious was losing two balls out of foul-throws, that’s just unacceptable and I’m sick of it. I hope Mancini has a right go at the players about it. And what the hell was Mihajlovic thinking when he ran towards the ref to complain about the wall moving after a kick, while the game was continuing?? That was completely moronic.

Football can be a cruel, harsh and unfair sport, we surely know this. I hope we will keep some honour in the 2nd leg. It’s such an amazing blow and I’m absolutely devastated, I wasn’t able to speak or do anything last night and now I’m just typing this at work cause I feel like I’m going to explode.

Let’s not just look at the result guys, let’s remember that we were capable to dominate this game, and that everything is going Milan’s way this season, and surely not our way. Even making mistakes, if we had just that little bit of luck, or if we didn’t have to deal with miracles from the opposition, we would be in a very different position, both in Serie A and Europe.

I've been so sad all day today, you just wish that sometimes victory went to people who work for it and earn it.

Thanks Serb, interbahar, darsez, Fabio for your positive posts. Thanks especially to Johnny Ludlow your post cheered me up big time. Also Tim, thanks for the inspirations that your post meant to me, your fighting spirit is contagious and I wish there were more fans like you, many more. All the bullshit I had to read about Mancini, Cruz and many others depressed me as much as the result.

Screw Milan, if they think I’m gonna give up they’re dead wrong.

 

[Ziyad]

Milos we agree that Cruz and especially Miha made two very stupid and unneccessarry fouls...But i really think overall they werent that bad.Although defensively as a unit from set pieces we sucked.

The team should have been more aggressive than the first half which they played great but still conceded a goal.Do u think Milan will play in the same shy manner after that first half going in with a goal on their scoreboard.??

Anyone thinking that doesnt know Milan or even CL football.

Plus the favoritism we are complaining about didnt take place last night only,open ur eyes it was the whole goddamn season...Burdisso makes one mistake and he is benched for soo long but Miha's mistakes get overlooked even if they are 10 times more!!

Stan played like crap for over a month(possibly because he is out of position) yet he still plays while Emre and Kily who can take on that position wait for their chance that isnt coming...???
I dont need to mention the Vieri struggle too along with Recoba's

Any player would feel demoralized in that situation..and thats what we got all over the board...

A good manager doesnt just draw up attacking and defending schemes he must manage the whole players ,both who play and on the bench. I thought Mancini would do a better job at that since he until recently was a player,apparantely i was wrong...

Cant we get a defensive coach to help Mancini,see if Cuper would take the job..Mancini's assisstant coach seems to have the same exact views as Mnacio himself so its like having two of them which is useless.But again he was with him in Lazio so he must be great :yuck: :yuck:

I am sure Mancini will not settle until he gets Cesar and Fiore over the summer since he can only communicate in Laziale language...

 

[Pravesh]

It's my first post after yesterday's match ..... What can i say ... a phucked up unlucky season. We dominate Milan for the whole fiorst half only to concede a goal by Stam in the last kick of the first half ?? phuck !!

Frisko, did you say that Stankovic played a good game ?
c'mmon mate, I didn't even notice him. And telling frankly, I don't want an out-form Stankovic start the second half, unless he gets his form back. Well, may be Cafu playing there didn't help him either, but it's the same Stankovic (out of form) since few months.

Both the goals we conceded came from unneccessary fouls, but that's football.

And Mancini's decision to bring on Vieri also proved to be a bad one.

Anyway, I am not in a mood to talk about this game. It's kinda impossible mission next week, lets just hope that we will do it.

Stankovic should be benched ..... Just coz he talks great about Inter, doesn't mean that he should start all the games, even when he's out of form. Mancini learn from ur mistake. Stankovic's true position is LCM, which is now Veron's. And yeah, there's no point of playing with 2DMs' next week, even though the duo did one hell of a job. We should attack Milan and Karagounis must start. Karagounis yet again played very well coming on as a sub.

Adriano - We need him, but not if he's not fit, coz that would only help Milan.

Forget playing with wingers next week, coz we have no quality wingers. Take the risk and play a diamond midfield:

------------- Cambiasso --------------
---- Veron --------------- Karagou ---
-------------- Stankovic ---------------

Stankovic is there, coz in diamond midfield he could play well .. And it's not the playmaker position as well ...

If not Stankovic (which I don't think will happen), then KILY !!


:fero:

FORZA INTER !!
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE IN THIS WORLD !!!! :star:

 

[Hammoudi]

Sorry, but this is just dumb. Cruz did not have to foul Pirlo. All he had to do is close down the space and force Pirlo towards the flank. Pirlo is not good at crossing under pressure. Mihajlovic did not have to foul Sheva either. Cruz and Mihajlovic screwed up! End of story!

Now, repeat after me:

THERE IS NO FAVOURITISM!
THERE IS NO FAVOURITISM!
THERE IS NO FAVOURITISM!

Correct me if I am wrong but is this not the same formation that everyone says was extremely unlucky to loose vs. Milan? The same formation which recieved a standing ovation for it's display in spite of the loss, something rarely seen at Italian football grounds? And the same one who had Milan effectively shut down until Cruz decided to play Santa Claus? You lament about Stankovic, yet when Mancini benches him his replacement has you longing for Deki! Kily, Karagounis, VDM all sucked the big one, although this last one is finally starting to look better. And Veron, now he sucks too? WTF ????? And who is better according to you people? Emre? Pleeease!!!!!! Favalli? Who would you like in his stead? Mihajlovic? He has shown much more then Materazzi, it's a fact. So watch what you are writing.

And stop forcing me out of retirement!

Man, I don't know what you are talking about? Does a team qualify by standing ovations? That team failed against Milan, period. Whether it's luck or whatever, they couldn't get the job done. Smart coaches would look for a different alterantive, dumb ones will just insist, we all know where Manici belongs.

Kily is 100x better than Stan as a LW and VDM is better than Veron as a RW. Kily had a slow start but was improving, like against you in the second half and against Fiorentina. VDM was lively when he came yesterday and he gave Cafu lots of trouble. Only if he stops watching the scoreboard when a person passes him the ball.

About Cruz, in case you don't know, HE IS A STRIKER. He doesn't know the classics of defence, he either goes for the ball or has to foul to prevent Pirlo from giving a long ball.

And yes: THERE IS FAVOURITISM
THERE IS FAVOURITISM
THERE IS FAVOURITISM

BTW, good poing Frisko about the throw-ins. That is stupid, specially by JZ. This is the fourth time it happens this season, I've never seen a club does things like that. Obviously, THEY ARE SCARED AND NERVOUS AND THAT UNFORUTANTELY INCLUDES JZ, HE WAS FREAKING NERVOUS, I WANT CORDOBA TO BE THE CAPTAIN, HE IS FEARLESS.

 

[Pravesh]

Let me add these as well:

Apart from the unneccessary free-kick Mihajlovic conceded, why the hell did he go after the referee ?? For another useless card ?? Why the phuck didn't he let it go ...

 

[Hammoudi]

I bet he will say that the referee is French and he hates Serbia. The Wall was fine, he was just going nutts.

 

[Ziyad]

The players need to be calmer than the way they acted after conceding a goal...

We have to get that same confidence we had against Sampdoria and make it our duty to come back after all we were the better team and eventually should have gotten something...

Now our destiny is within our hands,how we act will determine our true character...

Screw luck
Dispose ur fears and nervousness
Give it ur all and act like confident grown men that believe in their ability..
Ohh and watch the La coruna match...


I also think that we should get a psychiatrist for next season and a motivational speaker for the team...Might sound absurd to u guys but its been done so many times in sports and it does miracles

 

[Hammoudi]

Might sound absurd to u guys but its been done so many times in sports and it does miracles

What absurd? I've said that for two season now: We need a psychiatric. What's the shame? Seeing a shrink doens't mean you are crazy. Do you feel bad seeing a dentist?

Alot of team in North America use sport psychology, they even teach in universities.

 

[Ari]

Frisko, are yo really serious? Unbelievable.

Just watch ROCKY V

"Hey Tommy, I didn't hear no bell.. One more round."

 

[Frisko]

I don't understand all the finger-pointing at Stankovic, what did he do so badly? He didn't cross? That's not his job, he supported the midfield well and he did well when Favalli was there to help him.

What did Veron do so much better than him? And if you think Veron sucked too, then just explain to me how we managed to dominate the midfield with only Cuchu and Martello.

I think Stankovic is becoming Inter's official scape-goat and that sucks guys.

 

[Ari]

I don't understand all the finger-pointing at Stankovic, what did he do so badly?.

Well, he pretty much did nothing. Starting to watch match again. I'll tell you if my opinion changes.

 

[Ziyad]

I am not scapegoating anyone...I am criticizing where we could have done better and where we made mistakes and praising the players where they deserve it...

 

[Hammoudi]

I don't understand all the finger-pointing at Stankovic, what did he do so badly? He didn't cross?

I think the question should be, what he did he do? He did nothing. I'm not sure that a player can be judged to have played well if he avoids making mistakes. He didn't do any mistake, but he didn't do anything either.

 

[Choppin Onions]

Frisko you're a great poster and I highly respect your opinion, but some of your points are a little ridiculous. Stankovic was a ghost out there, I think the best possible description for him would have been mediocre (and even that's a stretch) and yet you said great?!

CZ and Cuchu have been good against lesser teams but it isn't a midfield duo you want to build around. Cambiasso alone should suffice as a DM, with someone with a little bit more versatility partnering him.

Anyway, even though I fall under the pessimist group, anything is possible. Deportivo showed that last year and they were down 4-0 heading into the 2nd leg! We're merely down 2-0 and to be frank, we have a better team than they had. If the players and fans believe, then why not us? God knows we've had our share of bad luck over the years. One positive we can take from the first leg is that Gattuso will be suspended for the upcoming game.

BTW what is Mancini's coaching record in Derbies now? I'm assuming it's not very good seeing we haven't come close to actually winning against Milan or Juve.

 

[Frisko]

Still no-one is telling me what Veron did much better than Stankovic, apart from winning some balls back. I'm not saying Stankovic was amazing but I really don't see why pick him as the negative player.

As I said, our midfield was in charge and Stankovic was a part of it.

Jimmy, that Sheva chance came when we were totally out of it, and I was really afraid we were going to collapse totally and get beaten 3-0 or worse.

As for the set pieces, you must think Mancini loves conceding goals if you seriously think he doesn't make the players training on set pieces. This assumption is just so ridiculous that I just can't discuss it without getting a headache.

If you look at Stam's goal you'll see that Mihajlovic and Cordoba are too distant from each other (as the Sky commentators pointed out as well) and they just didn't have enough time to close Stam. That's a positioning error. Now, if you tell me that they don't t know that, you must be kidding me, you just can't be serious.

Mancini is far from perfect but once again if you have to blame people about yesterday there's a long list of people you should blame before him.

By the way, are we keeping this topic for the 2nd leg or are we opening a new one?

 

[Jimmy]

Jimmy, that Sheva chance came when we were totally out of it, and I was really afraid we were going to collapse totally and get beaten 3-0 or worse.

Is this supposed to be an excuse or something? I don´t think we were out of it at all. This is a two-legged match and hence why we don´t just give up and forgets about the score. Even when the 0-2 goal came, we still tried and play. This was a clear sign of yet another mistake in marking and whatnot when the ball comes from the flank.

As for the set pieces, you must think Mancini loves conceding goals if you seriously think he doesn't make the players training on set pieces. This assumption is just so ridiculous that I just can't discuss it without getting a headache.

Quote me please where someone says that Mancini does NOT train set-pieces at all. Obviously they train it, but not enough or not good enough. If we close our eyes for our mistakes and thinks it´s all good all the time, we´ll never improve. Analyse the mistakes, improve it and start becoming a team.

 

[Hammoudi]

When I see Emre or Davids - short left-footed players- covering the right post, like against Sampdoria and Udi, I know that there isn't enough training done and players are in total confusion. It's so damn clear, even Moratti said that it shouldn't be possible to score on us from set pieces.

Whether it's Miha, Matrix, Cordoba, Miha etc... we concede goals from set-pieces. If the coach isn't responsible for that, then who is?