Milan - Inter (EuroDerby II)

[intermilansg]

It's obvious to me that players fail to win these 1-to-1 challenges with their opponents, and then we concede goals. Headers are particularly bad for us, that's why I'm not sure if you should play Mihajlovic again on Tuesday (because of free-kicks and corners) or Matrix (because he's definitely better than Mihajlovic at headers).

It doesnt matter if Miha or Matrix play both are average defenders at best. We should go for broke and play Vieri Martins Adriano and Cruz at the start.

 

[snake]

Cruz is trying to prove himself to mancini.

his saying... I should be CB! see!! i can tackle jsut as bad as matrix or miha. :stuckup:

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

There was another left winger in Valencia who did shat him, but who was that winger ?? ------> VICENTE

That's what you think, for it makes sense, but that is not the truth. I followed Valencia alot in Kilys last season with them. When he was fit, he played ahead of Vicente, and he played really well. It makes me sick to see Kily on the bench all the time.

I honestly think that benching Kily is the biggest mistake Mancini have done when it comes to choosing players. Not playing Emre is sad, but I don't think he would even deserve to be picked ahead of Cambiasso or Zanetti but Kily is hands down the best left winger in Inter. There is another reason why using Kily would be vital; Stankovic would'nt have to play there anymore.

 

[catanha]

There was another left winger in Valencia who did shat him, but who was that winger ?? ------> VICENTE

That's what you think, for it makes sense, but that is not the truth. I followed Valencia alot in Kilys last season with them. When he was fit, he played ahead of Vicente, and he played really well. It makes me sick to see Kily on the bench all the time.

I honestly think that benching Kily is the biggest mistake Mancini have done when it comes to choosing players. Not playing Emre is sad, but I don't think he would even deserve to be picked ahead of Cambiasso or Zanetti but Kily is hands down the best left winger in Inter. There is another reason why using Kily would be vital; Stankovic would'nt have to play there anymore.

Are you sure, mate?
Because I thought taht even Kily admitted that he left Valencia because Vicente was reguarly used ahead of him. Let's face it, though, Vicente is the best left midfielder in the world...and I can't blame Kily for leaving.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

Catanha, I do admit it's surprising. As we know, season 02-03 was'nt all that good for Valencia. Kily, when he rarely got to play due to injuries, was one of the best players that year. My friend who is Valencia fan can confirm this.

At the moment I think Vicente is one of the best, if not the best LW in the world. Two years ago it was a different story, back then he was one of the biggest talents, not a star he is now, and it was good for everybody that Kily left. And we all know how Vicente played 03-04...

 

[snake]

Vicente is the best left midfielder in the world...and I can't blame Kily for leaving.

speak for yourself mate. i personally dont think so. Because if u have him, dont expect him to do too much defending.

Id rather many players ahead of him there, and i dont think he would cut it here.

 

[Frisko]

Then he is a bad coach at set-pieces, I guess. Are you going to blame 11 players then? They look clearly clueless, I am sure that he emphasizes on attack the whole time and doens't pay much attention to defense. The numbers speak for themselves.

Hamed, do you think that Cordoba and Mihajlovic went on the pitch without knowing what to do during set pieces?

Did you how concentrated and focused Cordoba was? Do you think he was thinking "If there's a free kick, I'll sort it out at the moment, no worries".

Come on man, it's obvious that the players just failed to deliver in those occasions.

Mancini was blamed for everything but I've hardly heard a word of praise for what we did in the first half. We are one of the very few teams who managed to dominate Milan's midfield and to neutralise their best players. You don't even give Mancini credit for that.

 

[Handoyo]

If you read Mancini's latest interviews in inter.it, you would have learnt that we used man-to-man system while defending set pieces earlier this season. Now, he has switched to zonal. I personally think that man-to-man is better but in the end, it's down to the players' & coach's capabilities in sorting it out.

 

[Frisko]

If you read Mancini's latest interviews in inter.it, you would have learnt that we used man-to-man system while defending set pieces earlier this season. Now, he has switched to zonal. I personally think that man-to-man is better but in the end, it's down to the players' & coach's capabilities in sorting it out.

Whatever, if anything that shows that Mancini is trying everything possible but the players are just not good enough in these situations.

Saying that the players go on the pitch and they're clueless about what to do against setpieces is simply a joke. Not even the Primavera players find themselves in that situation. Not even players in Serie B.

 

[Hammoudi]

Are you sure, mate?
Because I thought taht even Kily admitted that he left Valencia because Vicente was reguarly used ahead of him. Let's face it, though, Vicente is the best left midfielder in the world...and I can't blame Kily for leaving.

The number one reason why Kily left was because he had several run-ins with Bentiez. Benitez was picking on Kily and telling him not to eat ice creams because they are making him fat etc.

Vicente is one hell of a player, but he isn't a good LW. He can't defend at all, that's why they used him as a LF manytimes, and that's why his scoring tally was good. Doesn't hurt to have Carboni behind you knowing he will never cross the halfline.

 

[Handoyo]

Speaking of Vicente, I think he is the best left winger in the world last season. This season, his injuries was perhaps the biggest reason why Valencia is struggling. Vicente is used as the left winger in a 4-2-3-1 system. In that system, I believe he has to defend less than a left winger should in a flat-4-men midfield. To make an analogy, he is the left side's answer to Luis Figo or Joaquin. So defending is not really that important of quality for him IMO.

Whether he is better than Kily, currently I would definitely say so. But when Kily was in Valencia, I hardly watch them so I can't really answer that. But surely Vicente was too young and inexperienced during Kily's time?

Whatever, if anything that shows that Mancini is trying everything possible but the players are just not good enough in these situations.

Saying that the players go on the pitch and they're clueless about what to do against setpieces is simply a joke. Not even the Primavera players find themselves in that situation. Not even players in Serie B.

I am neither attacking you nor Hamed. I was just pointing out that Mancini did train the players to defend on set pieces. Whether his method are good or not, is unknown to us and all we can do is guess. But judging from our set pieces defending this season, it is hard to support Mancini in this situation. We should definitely not sack him just because of this. Hiring a training coach whose speciality is in the defensive department is enough for me.

 

[Frisko]

I am neither attacking you nor Hamed. I was just pointing out that Mancini did train the players to defend on set pieces. Whether his method are good or not, is unknown to us and all we can do is guess. But judging from our set pieces defending this season, it is hard to support Mancini in this situation. We should definitely not sack him just because of this. Hiring a training coach whose speciality is in the defensive department is enough for me.

So Han, you're saying that you're not even considering that players are actually doing things wrong? It's only Mancini?

Then why do you people want a new centre back? If it's only Mancini, you should want a new coach and that's it! After all we only conceded goal on set pieces against Sheva and Crespo, that's not bad right? I SO DON'T GET YOU ALL!

 

[Handoyo]

So Han, you're saying that you're not even considering that players are actually doing things wrong? It's only Mancini?

Then why do you people want a new centre back? If it's only Mancini, you should want a new coach and that's it! After all we only conceded goal on set pieces against Sheva and Crespo, that's not bad right? I SO DON'T GET YOU ALL!

My bad, I forget to mention that our players are to be blamed as well. But I did mention this point somewhere in this topic too. But to be fair to the players & coaches, we do not know whose fault is it so let's blame them both.

 

[Hammoudi]

Frisko, why do I have to repeat this again? I DON'T WANT US TO SACK MANCINI, I LIKE HIM. Just admit he isn't perfect and that he has some flaws.

Also, you shouldn't consider dominating Milan's midfield and marking Crespo an achievement. It's a great thing, but it doens't win you anything. We dominated them twice already, and we lost twice. Maybe it's good not to dominate but win at the end.

Also, we've been having more or less the same players for the past season. Why are we suddenly so susciptible from set-pieces? I don't remember us conceding the same under Cuper or Zac. The only variable here is Mancini, since his arrival we are becoming a joke at set-pieces. You still blame the players?

 

[Frisko]

Frisko, why do I have to repeat this again? I DON'T WANT US TO SACK MANCINI, I LIKE HIM. Just admit he isn't perfect and that he has some flaws.

Also, you shouldn't consider dominating Milan's midfield and marking Crespo an achievement. It's a great thing, but it doens't win you anything. We dominated them twice already, and we lost twice. Maybe it's good not to dominate but win at the end.

Also, we've been having more or less the same players for the past season. Why are we suddenly so susciptible from set-pieces? I don't remember us conceding the same under Cuper or Zac. The only variable here is Mancini, since his arrival we are becoming a joke at set-pieces. You still blame the players?

That doesn't matter Hamed, it's no secret that all of our players are making far more mistakes than in past years. That inlcudes everyone, from Toldo to Adriano.

I personally think that if we give up the midfield, we'll lose badly. Maybe I'm wrong, that's merely my opinion.

 

[SB9Dragon]

The midfield is the heart of any team. If your midfield dies then so do you.

If Pirlo and Kaka are allowed to run wild in the 2nd leg then we are DEAD.

 

[xandru]

lets be realistic: its hard, its difficult, its tough, and Milan are Milan.

but we hope..

 

[INTER_FAN]

We have a FULL stadium, with the same passion inside of our players and an early goal or couple of dangerous attempts, will turn the stadium into fire and we will see another Sampdoria comeback and this comeback will take us into the Semi FInal of CL and if we did it, then I dont see any other team capable to stop this inter from this trophy. honestly tomorrow the game is not for the Semi final but for the championship.

FORZA INTER, I will dream cause great realities start from being dreams.

Lets believe guys, its our INTER and its difficult but we CAN, name me a team came from 2 -0 to 3-2 in 7 min, its Inter the Master of Come Back and this time its the most needed one.

I BELIEVE...

 

[Handoyo]

I don't wanna ruin the mood but the last 6 home Serie A Derbies, we lost them all.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I don't wanna ruin the mood but the last 6 home Serie A Derbies, we lost them all.

This is not Serie A home derby.