Roberto Mancini

[Wallace]

90 mil to climb 3 places, 30 mil per place.

Only 120 mil to go.

 

[Ronaldo]

It's unfair to say that he spent 90 million without mentioning the ones he sold.

Some of the players that he inherited didn't suit his philosophy so he exchanged them for the ones he thought were more suitable. There is nothing wrong with that the same way there is nothing wrong in selling some of the players you requested.

No matter how much scouting you do, you can't be 100% sure that X player will fit into your team. Some will succeed and some won't but the most important thing is to see an improvement.

If you are getting worse then you need to be concerned. Either try to figure out what the problem is and fix it or just bring in a different coach.

Doesn't matter how biased you are against Mancini, you have to admit that this team has been doing better than previous seasons.

Now, there is a matter of not reaching the expectations. Has Mancini reached our expectations (CL)? No, and he would probably won't. Now, if you want to bring in a coach who can achieve your expectations, you either go for a proven coach or just keep Mancini.

Coaches like Di Francesco and others like him, might do better and might do worse, there is no guarantee. We absolutely can't afford any more experiments and we can't afford year 0 again. So either keep Mancini or bring in someone like Simeone.

Mancini has improved the team. Small improvements, but still, they are improvements.

When was the last time Inter improved? 2009-2010?

 

[Hasan]

I think that year zero under coach like Simeone is better that year five with Mancio.

 

[Ronaldo]

I think that year zero under coach like Simeone is better that year five with Mancio.

Yes, definitely and that's what I meant by my post. Just re-read my post and you'll understand my point.

 

[Ed.]

Inter improvement this year is mostly due to the collection of better players compared to previous years. Inter are not any better in terms of gameplay, still the same mentality and clueless in tactics.

 

[Universe]

It's unfair to say that he spent 90 million without mentioning the ones he sold.

Some of the players that he inherited didn't suit his philosophy so he exchanged them for the ones he thought were more suitable. There is nothing wrong with that the same way there is nothing wrong in selling some of the players you requested.

No matter how much scouting you do, you can't be 100% sure that X player will fit into your team. Some will succeed and some won't but the most important thing is to see an improvement.

If you are getting worse then you need to be concerned. Either try to figure out what the problem is and fix it or just bring in a different coach.

Doesn't matter how biased you are against Mancini, you have to admit that this team has been doing better than previous seasons.

Now, there is a matter of not reaching the expectations. Has Mancini reached our expectations (CL)? No, and he would probably won't. Now, if you want to bring in a coach who can achieve your expectations, you either go for a proven coach or just keep Mancini.

Coaches like Di Francesco and others like him, might do better and might do worse, there is no guarantee. We absolutely can't afford any more experiments and we can't afford year 0 again. So either keep Mancini or bring in someone like Simeone.

Mancini has improved the team. Small improvements, but still, they are improvements.

When was the last time Inter improved? 2009-2010?

But I did mention the outgoing transfers.

Either way, I think Ed perfectly answers your criteria. If a clueless driver changes cars from a 1980's Toyota to a brand new Lamborghini, of course the results will be better - the speed, comfort, handling, looks etc, will all be an upgrade over the previous vehicle. But it doesn't change the fact that the driver (Mancini) still doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing. And everyone knows that in a long, winding race that is the league, it's the skill of the driver that makes a huge difference, arguably more so than the quality of the vehicle.

 

[Glass box]

He did well with some kickass engine (Ibra).

 

[Shaun]

I don't think we can afford to fire him. I think the only way he leaves is if he is offered a job somewhere else

 

[Javier'sSon]

 

[Ronaldo]

Inter improvement this year is mostly due to the collection of better players compared to previous years. Inter are not any better in terms of gameplay, still the same mentality and clueless in tactics.

I'm sorry but I find your post a bit ridiculous, maybe I didn't umderstand it properly.

But, as I said the most improtant thing is improvements. You can expect mid table team to all of sudden in only ONE SEASON to start playing attractive football and achieve results. Not to mention, the team is broke and all (or most of them) have to be self-funded!

Aren't you askking for a little too much?!

'Oh I want CL!!' 'Oh I want attractive football' 'oh our gameplay sucks'. Could we whine anymore?!!

All I'm saying is that, things are improving so let's give it a little more time. Everything can't. Be done in just one season.


Either guve Manicini more time or bring in a world class coach. No other solutions should be accepted!

But I did mention the outgoing transfers.

Either way, I think Ed perfectly answers your criteria. If a clueless driver changes cars from a 1980's Toyota to a brand new Lamborghini, of course the results will be better - the speed, comfort, handling, looks etc, will all be an upgrade over the previous vehicle. But it doesn't change the fact that the driver (Mancini) still doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing. And everyone knows that in a long, winding race that is the league, it's the skill of the driver that makes a huge difference, arguably more so than the quality of the vehicle.

This comparison is completely wrong because there is a huge difference in value between a 1980's Toyota and a Lamborghini. In Mancini's case he sold the 1980's Toyota and got something similar in value which better suited him and he did get better results.

 

[Harpsabu]

I'm sorry but I find your post a bit ridiculous, maybe I didn't umderstand it properly.

But, as I said the most improtant thing is improvements. You can expect mid table team to all of sudden in only ONE SEASON to start playing attractive football and achieve results. Not to mention, the team is broke and all (or most of them) have to be self-funded!

Aren't you askking for a little too much?!

'Oh I want CL!!' 'Oh I want attractive football' 'oh our gameplay sucks'. Could we whine anymore?!!

All I'm saying is that, things are improving so let's give it a little more time. Everything can't. Be done in just one season.


Either guve Manicini more time or bring in a world class coach. No other solutions should be accepted!

Mancini gets the salary of a World Class coach. Plus this team finished mid-table last year. After spending as much as we did, that's more than reasonable to expect a top three finish. And we aren't playing attractive football. but when we were winning no one cared! Now we're barely doing either. So all this criticism is completely justifiable. And I was one of his biggest fans at the start of the year. But he's under-performed

 

[nurko]

If the team was playing with some kind of idea, a recognizable football style, or any kind of drilled tactic you could see being used on the pitch, I would have no objection on giving Mancini more time.
But if at the end of full season he can't get at least one of the following:
- results
- some kind of progress in tactics or football played (not necessarily attractive football, I'm a fan of defensive approach)

then I can't see reason to keep going with him (besides not being able to fire him and hire new guy).

 

[Shaun]

I agree with Nurko. I want to see some patterns to our play. Not just constantly switching formations with no discernible style of play. Not a fan of Mazzarri, but at least you could see what he was trying to do (overload the wings etc). What is Mancini trying to get this side to do? His only constant is that he likes to confuse the opposition by playing different fullbacks every week

 

[Ronaldo]

Ok but if we hire an unproven coach and he turns out to be another Gasperini?

Can we afford the risk?

 

[Ronin]

I agree with Ronaldo. As much as I hate Mancini and his style of play, or lack thereof, replacing him with an unproven coach would be a huge risk, something we're not in a position to take right now. We need some continuity.

I'd agree to kick his ass if we manage to get someone like Mourinho or Simeone though.

 

[ElDuccio]

Finaly. Thats what i think too.

If we can get Simeone, Mou.. someone good with experience, i would do it. But its very funny how some people wants Di Francesco. That guy lost his job last year. Its not only thanks to him if Sassuolo are 8. at this moment.

But back to Inter. After Benitez, Mazzarri, Strama.. you guys should know that we should have patience with the coach. For me the year Zero was this year, i know its funny to say but the Thohir project started only 2-3 years ago. After a while he saw that we need a new coach and good players. We have them now! And? Well, i would say we improved tbh. It was the first year of this project. We changed 8 starter players.. 8 fucking players! Then you also need to think that 3-4 of them will fail, as it always will be.
Its not easy. Think about Napoli, Roma... theyre project dont started yesterday, you know.

 

[Ed.]

I'm sorry but I find your post a bit ridiculous, maybe I didn't umderstand it properly.

But, as I said the most improtant thing is improvements. You can expect mid table team to all of sudden in only ONE SEASON to start playing attractive football and achieve results. Not to mention, the team is broke and all (or most of them) have to be self-funded!

Aren't you askking for a little too much?!

'Oh I want CL!!' 'Oh I want attractive football' 'oh our gameplay sucks'. Could we whine anymore?!!

All I'm saying is that, things are improving so let's give it a little more time. Everything can't. Be done in just one season.


Either guve Manicini more time or bring in a world class coach. No other solutions should be accepted!





This comparison is completely wrong because there is a huge difference in value between a 1980's Toyota and a Lamborghini. In Mancini's case he sold the 1980's Toyota and got something similar in value which better suited him and he did get better results.

I'm sorry but improvement is not the most important thing. The most important thing is what we have improved.

I don't really give a shit about CL football. Kind of used to being out of it.

I'm not expecting us to play tiki taka ala Barcelona. But, I want to see our players can string passes better than the likes of Chievo, Hellas, Torino or Frosinone. I want to see some attacking plays that have been drilled over and over again during training. It is not about playing attractive football but how to play 'our game'. Being dependent only on players' ability and skills are not really a top club material. You can see our players are actually good enough to achieve more than what they have achieved now if they were guided properly. However, our coach is unable to utilize them properly.

The way we play today is very much similar during Mazzarri's era just in a different formation with better players. Is this the kind of improvement we should be looking for? If yes, get as much money as possible and build a team ala PSG.

We don't need a world class coach. We need a coach who can utilize and guide our players. Diego Simeone is not world class but he can challenge La Liga title. Unai Emery with his mid-table Sevilla managed to win back-to-back Europa League and is on the way to score hattrick. Jurgen Klopp with his Dortmund. I believe the best manager is the one who can build a team with what is given to him.

On top of money, new players, new coach, new stadium, etc.. what we need the most is 'a sense'.

 

[Wings]

Ok but if we hire an unproven coach and he turns out to be another Gasperini?

Can we afford the risk?

Hilarious that you bring up the one example of Gasperini to categorically rule out all coaches who aren't experienced, yet ignore that our last four managers with significant experience (Mancini, Mazzarri, Ranieri, Benitez) are/were failures.

 

[interd1sia]

unproven this unproven that. may i ask you how much of a proven coach antonio conte was before he took rube? and who was maurizio sarri again?

 

[Ronaldo]

Hilarious that you bring up the one example of Gasperini to categorically rule out all coaches who aren't experienced, yet ignore that our last four managers with significant experience (Mancini, Mazzarri, Ranieri, Benitez) are/were failures.

No, all of them are the same. I never said experienced, I said ptoven and I gave an example of Simeone. None of the one you mentioned are at the level of Simeone (maybe only Benitez).

I'm pretty sure that a while ago in one of my previous posts on a similar subject (I think it was my comment on rumors of Simeone coming to Inter) I mentioned all our coaches after Mourinho and I mentioned that we've been hiring unproven coaches after unproven coaches with no result and it's time we either keep our coach or go after someone like Simeone.