Roberto Mancini

[Wings]

Lmao, so now people are criticising Mancini without reasons.

Dudes, there are exactly 700 pages of reasoning here.

Just because some people here choose to not read them or ignore them, doesn't mean the reasoning doesn't exist.

Mancini fanboys really live in their own deluded world where they come in everynow and then after some quietness and claims everyone else makes groundless claims while indoctrinating us on the number of trophies he won.

well you're just a blind hater

 

[Ronaldo]

Only at Inter do you find fans criticising one of our legends for no apparent reason. I for one still remember what Mancini did for us, and he will always have my gratitude. He took over the club at the worst point of our history (17 seasons without a scudetto), and with very little investment won 3 scudetti and kickstarted the greatest winning run in our club history. Those are facts. Whatever his limitations as a coach, how can we ever forget that? Respect is the least we can offer.

Very little investment? In 2005-2006 (we got Samuel, Pizzaro, Figo, Maxwell and Solari in that season) we won the Scudetto because Juve were relegated and Milan's points were deducted.
In 2006-07 we got Ibra, Viera and Maicon with Juve in Serie B.

I'm all for credit where credit is due but let's call a spade a spade. Mancini won three easy titles which helped kickstart his career. If it weren't for those three titles he would be probably coaching a midtable team in Italy.

Him failing in Europe is further proof that he isn't that great of a coach.

 

[M.Adnan]

Btw I was curious to see how was his journey in Russia and I found this article:

Gazprom investments were not enough
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Then last summer he ended up taking the Zenit job. The Gazprom club quickly invested €94 million in new players and early results suggested that the St. Petersburg side would walk the league and easily collect a title.

Mancini, in the meantime, looked like the man that could easily collect another championship. But Russian football has its very own twists and turns. Divided into essentially two seasons and with travel spanning thousands of kilometres buying an army of Argentines, who – we quote Mancini – “are perfectly suited for Russian football” was simply not enough to create the sort of squad needed to win the title in Russia.

As a result, Zenit struggled after a strong start and ultimately missed out on winning the Russian championship. Even worse, Zenit for the third year in a row could miss out on a UEFA Champions League spot, which could seriously jeopardise the club’s investments this summer as UEFA without a doubt will be asking some tough Financial Fair Play questions.

For Zenit, in the meantime, Mancini leaving has one positive. The club will be spared having to fire the Italian at the end of the season, which will at least save the club some much-needed cash.

 

[Pimpin]

didnt this dude have a prime adriano and ibra in his squad, recoba, crespo, cruz, with figo on flanks, cambiasso stankovic and vieira in central positions and still lost to valencia or some bullshit like that?

 

[chipschups]

Before Mancini, People : "Why they always play this old and useless player everytime, give a chances to young italians ffs"
After Mancini, People : "What a Shit italian teams" despite Mancini trying to rebuild the squad give a trust to those youngins

 

[ADRossi]

You have to give Mancini credit right now because he's being progressive. Berardi was uncapped, Insigne and Jorginho never played, and Darmian was our starting LB less than four months ago. Mancini has identified the best formation given the current players (4-3-3), brought some young inspiring players, and helped reduce the average age of the squad by almost four years (mind you, retirements are a big reasons why).

So while he probably isn't winning us a World Cup anytime soon, thank god we brought in someone to right the ship and get us to Euro 2020. Better than Montella, Mazzarri, or whatever deadbeat option we would have hired otherwise.

 

[VLE]

Ronaldo, if free figo, Maxwell, 5m maicon and 6m solari is expensive buy for you, could you name cheap transfers please?
I'm extremely interested.

 

[chipschups]

Ronaldo, if free figo, Maxwell, 5m maicon and 6m solari is expensive buy for you, could you name cheap transfers please?
I'm extremely interested.

Here the list

Ibra 24.5mil
Samuel 16mil
Chivu 16mil
Suazo 10mil
Pizzaro 10mil
Vieira 9.5mil
Solari 6mil
Rivas 5mil
Grosso 5mil
Maicon 5mil
Burdisso 4mil
Julione 2.45mil
Ze maria 1.45mil
FREE Figo, cambi, maxwell, veron loan, crespo loan, dacourt, favalli, cesar, miha, davids, wome

Underline is the only wasted transfer and most of all pretty much stay for long and give us 3 scudetti, 2 coppa and 2 supercoppa. For everyone says his team only winning bcause of calciopoli, first are you Juventini? Second the scudetto is impossible for inter during this corrupt era so Mancini did win us a first coppa in his first season its feel like we are winning they scudetto. Later two juve scud being striped and only one given to inter eventho we know this team deserved that other one scud.

 

[Ronaldo]

Ronaldo, if free figo, Maxwell, 5m maicon and 6m solari is expensive buy for you, could you name cheap transfers please?
I'm extremely interested.

You can't put the cheap buys from 05-06 and 06-07 together and call it 'little investment'.

Figo, Maxwell, Solari, Samuel and Pizzaro (the latter two weren't exactly cheap) came in 2005-06. In that year if it weren't for Juve getting relegated and Milan getting penalized we would not have won the Scudetto so that's hardly Mancini's achievement.
In 2006-07 we got Ibra, Viera and Maicon. That wasn't 'little investment' was it? It took those and Juve in Serie B for Mancini to finally win the title.


So you see, Mancini has never won the league title 'with little investment'. Not in Italy nor in any other league.

 

[Universe]

You can like someone for this or that, while still disliking them for something else. The two are not mutually exclusive. They can, and frequently do, exist at the same time. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that. Why must people flock to either black or white? Human beings and our minds are more complex than black and white.

The thing I'm most grateful to Mancini for, is his testimonies in court and the way he defended the club in 2006 when Calciopoli broke out. I maintain my stance to this day that calcio fans including interisti, are way too quiet about calciopoli and letting lies slowly creep back into tainting people's memories of the scandal. Every shirt or slogan or banner with which juve state "36 scudetti" that we don't deny, or argue against, is just letting falsehoods go unchallenged. Every article published which tries to slyly manipulate readers by deliberately focusing on non-issues (my favorite being "Inter should be relegated, but were saved by the statute of limitations") has influence over the public and adds another drop of poison to the pool of public opinion and knowledge. How many drops of poison before the whole pool is completely toxic? Mancini has always been upfront and clear about calciopoli, and he has defended our club from such lies, and that is the most likable and respectable thing about the guy in my eyes.

But similar to how Wenger eroded his legend to Arsenal fans over years of mediocrity, Mancini undoes that esteem I had/have for him with (what I consider to be) his ineptitude in managing the club, ineptitude I've spoken about many times and won't repeat.

 

[.h.]

how anyone can take a coach who recommended a mountain healer seriously I dont even know

 

[Bluenine]

You can't put the cheap buys from 05-06 and 06-07 together and call it 'little investment'.

Figo, Maxwell, Solari, Samuel and Pizzaro (the latter two weren't exactly cheap) came in 2005-06. In that year if it weren't for Juve getting relegated and Milan getting penalized we would not have won the Scudetto so that's hardly Mancini's achievement. In 2006-07 we got Ibra, Viera and Maicon. That wasn't 'little investment' was it? It took those and Juve in Serie B for Mancini to finally win the title.

So you see, Mancini has never won the league title 'with little investment'. Not in Italy nor in any other league.

Lets talk in some facts, shall we? I just looked at the last 22 years of data from transfermarkt:

In the 8 years before Mancini: Ave Transfer Spend = €89m, Avg Net spend = €55m per season
In those 4 years of Mancini: Average Transfer Spend = €31m, Avg Net spend = €6m per season
In the 10 years since: Average Transfer Spend = €74m, Avg Net spend = €22m per season

So I think I am quite justified in saying that Mancini won 3 scudetti with little investment. Lets talk overall facts, not use selective data that suits your argument.

 

[Ronaldo]

Lets talk in some facts, shall we? I just looked at the last 22 years of data from transfermarkt:

In the 8 years before Mancini: Ave Transfer Spend = €89m, Avg Net spend = €55m per season
In those 4 years of Mancini: Average Transfer Spend = €31m, Avg Net spend = €6m per season
In the 10 years since: Average Transfer Spend = €74m, Avg Net spend = €22m per season

So I think I am quite justified in saying that Mancini won 3 scudetti with little investment. Lets talk overall facts, not use selective data that suits your argument.

So just because we didn't invest as much as the years before Mancini it is considered 'very little investment'? That team had Ibra, Recoba, Adriano, Cambiasso, Samuel, Figo, Viera, Zanetti. Juve and Milan were weakened and our squad was definitely the best squad in the league, did we have to invest just for the sake of investing?

But again, as I said before we invested a lot. Ibra, Viera, Adriano, Samuel, Pizzaro, etc. I don't understand what do you mean by selective data, didn't we sign these players when Mancini was here? Don't give me average spending, that's useless. Show me the numbers we spent, that wasn't bad at all and in no way could've been considered 'very little investment'.

 

[J..]

Calciopoli gave us those titles. Not Mancini.

 

[Wobblz]

Calciopoli gave us those titles. Not Mancini.

Calciopoli hasn't given us shit.

It took shit away from Juve. There's a huge difference.

 

[Sassuolu]

The Inter that won the league with 17 wins in a row was a joy to watch and too bad we had injuries before Valencia because we could have gone far in the CL.

Anyway Mancio won us our first trophy in 6 years of drought and also came for a second stint where we were complete and utter shit, managed to attract some good players to the club and also gave us the highest league finish in 7 years but I agree he is horrible, lets burn him.

 

[Devious]

Here we go again

 

[Anne Marie]

Calciopoli gave us those titles. Not Mancini.

This mentality has to go away.

1. If we were somehow lucky because of the Calciopoli, how do we explain 2010 UEFA Champion League? Both Ibra and Viera were not in that team.
2. Did u watch Serie A in, say 2002-2003, and many other seasons, you could not call Seria A a soccer league, it was a political system arbitrarily set up for a single purpose, ala everything concluded in Turin. The amount of injustice was insufferable. A team with Ronaldo, Baggio, Djorkaeff, Zamorano, Crespo, Vieri could not do anything. The calciopoli, please remember this, did not change everything to our favor, it just to some cetain extent NORMALIZED the whole system.

 

[Ed.]

This mentality has to go away.

1. If we were somehow lucky because of the Calciopoli, how do we explain 2010 UEFA Champion League? Both Ibra and Viera were not in that team.

so did Mancini.

 

[Anne Marie]

so did Mancini.

Ah, i thought of this. To be clear, my post was to response specifically to the idea that Calciopoli gaves us the titles. Arguably, normalizing effect of the Calciopoli did contribute positively to the competition and we were benefit from it. However, to be more analytical, calciopoli must also be understood from the sense of justice. A logical counter-factual claim would be: if those corrupted forces had not existed, we would have gained much more from our investments. When people say Calciopoli gives us title, they implicitly prescribe Inter as an opportunists who benefited greatly from fallen others.

Mancini is actually a unit, an agency while Calciopoli is a systemic matter. A good starting point is: could we have had the same amt of success prior to Mou era without Mancini? Put in other word, anyone can do what Mancini did considering the systemic contours? I do think that the answer is a yes, Mazzari/Gasperini/Benitez/Leonardo/Poli could have relatively moved us in the same direction, ala few serie A titles (no, not Gattuso). This argument basically makes sense because the 2010 grande inter was substantively different from Mancini-era. Thus, there is hardly any connection about Mancini foundation and Mourinho success. A counter argument to this would identify a fundamental connection between two coaches and teams, for me I just dont see any.

To conclude, I agree with Ed, that Mancini was not a critical factor in shaping our 2006-2010 trajectory, the meta did. However, we need to have a clear sense of what Calciopoli, the system, the meta means or else we are forever living in an unjudged self-constructed inferiority complex.