Romelu Lukaku

[thatdude]

He has the size/bulk and speed to make quick work of old ass Chellini, (peak) Lukaku shouldn't need the refs help.

Yeah I don’t agree with this. How about the game should just be called fairly.

 

[Universe]

All the above is true. Absolutely disgusting that Chiellini can just hurl himself around like a rag doll with 5 meters of Lukaku and get the whistle every time. However that has zero impact on Lukaku being fucking oblivious to his surroundings.

 

[rfU]

Yeah I don’t agree with this. How about the game should just be called fairly.

Because fairness in a sport like soccer is often arbitrary. Chellini is old and slow and well past his physical best, so he knows he needs to employ various forms of trickery to get the ref on his side. Kaku is no newbie and furthermore he has Conte in his corner. He should know what's coming when facing Chellini. No excuses. Was a disappointing performances. Lesson learned hopefully.

 

[Harpsabu]

Because fairness in a sport like soccer is often arbitrary. Chellini is old and slow and well past his physical best, so he knows he needs to employ various forms of trickery to get the ref on his side. Kaku is no newbie and furthermore he has Conte in his corner. He should know what's coming when facing Chellini. No excuses. Was a disappointing performances. Lesson learned hopefully.

Very disappointed in his performance. Needs to do 100x better against these cunts next year.

 

[brehme1989]

Lesson learned hopefully.

That's like the 15th lesson in 2 seasons. When does he get the certificate?

 

[wera]

Brehme, not now. Not after this game. Get back on your hater shit next week, but we are all pissed off right now. Not the time for this debate.

 

[vex]

Because fairness in a sport like soccer is often arbitrary. Chellini is old and slow and well past his physical best, so he knows he needs to employ various forms of trickery to get the ref on his side. Kaku is no newbie and furthermore he has Conte in his corner. He should know what's coming when facing Chellini. No excuses. Was a disappointing performances. Lesson learned hopefully.

I'm far from his hater here, but I don't think he will ever be the player that some people here want him to be.

That's why even his haters who criticize him on every little mistake are often funny cus I have a feeling they also hold him in some strange way in the highest possible regard, but this is his max more or less. 60 plus mil player, with 20 plus goals and 10 plus assists and absolute nightmare for smaller teams to play against, and that's it.

For next season we need lautaro to bump up his numbers and imo it will be more than enough to win the league again.

But them two dominating top defenders of europe in cl, I just don't see it right now.

 

[brehme1989]

Brehme, not now. Not after this game. Get back on your hater shit next week, but we are all pissed off right now. Not the time for this debate.

What debate? Is it under debate?

 

[rfU]

I think also Kaku needs to employ more smarts and tact:

Generally I abhor diving and other such behavior but a cunt like Chellini deserves nothing less.

Playing in confined spaces I'm not sure how Kaku can improve at this point. he's not fleet footed enough on the ball (he's no Viduka) so he can only be a threat off it. If he cannot be relied on versus physical/pacy defenders then Conte must implement a plan B

 

[brehme1989]

then Conte must implement a plan B

But if we use our plan B then other teams will know our plan B

 

[Gaindé]

I think also Kaku needs to employ more smarts and tact:

Generally I abhor diving and other such behavior but a cunt like Chellini deserves nothing less.

Playing in confined spaces I'm not sure how Kaku can improve at this point. he's not fleet footed enough on the ball (he's no Viduka) so he can only be a threat off it. If he cannot be relied on versus physical/pacy defenders then Conte must implement a plan B

I don't even think he needs to learn these trick. What he needs to do is respond when there is a physical challenge.
Weak opponents ? He is able to bully them easily => See his goal against Bologna at San Siro. That's OK but whenever an oppopnent actualy decides to respond on the physical level, even if Lukaku is bigger and stronger he pretty much always folds. F*cking Luca Caldirola had him in his pocket for the major part of the game against Benevento.

It's true that referee litterally never call fouls on him but he needs to learn to fight when he is presented a challenge. This is Serie A, most of his game will not be that hard but in Europe there are 10s of physically dominant, or technically gifted or vicious (or all those three characteristics combined) defenders around, he needs to respond to the challenge and not allow those players to bully him out of the game. He has all it takes to be a bully. Maybe he lacks that vicious mentality.

 

[_OC_]

1) Lukaku definitely needs to improve in some aspects, especially when, as some of you say, is up against tough and physical defenders. I remember a couple of games where Koulibaly and De Ligt - just to name some - have had him in their respective pockets.

However...

2) When a referee is so incredulously hell-bent on ruining a football match in favor of one team as the match this latest discussion takes hold in, there's nothing anyone can do about it, let alone Lukaku.
Chiellini - as is always the case with the single most protected player in Italy - did everything he wanted to Rom with no repercussions, and if Lukaku even tried to do anything remotely physical in return, the whistle was going in one way, and one way only. At that point there's nothing you can do - not with the way our game is setup, with Lukaku receiving the ball with his back to the defender. If the defender can do anything he wants to against you, and you have no chance of returning that physicality without being punished with a foul for it, it's time to pack your bags and go home.
Remember, this is a football match where Chiellini held onto Lukaku, fell backwards on his ass, kicked the ball directly into the net and Calvarese was there - like clockwork - to bail him out at first.
You also had Lukaku fairly going for a header, touching Chiellini at the shoulders with his shoulders, Chiellini flailing and screaming, and Calvarese ruling out a potential goal of the season without as much as a second-thought. Immediately, blink of an eye stuff.

I agree that Lukaku can do better on a general level when it comes to not being outmuscled or outmatched physically, but against Juventus? No way man, not when the odds are so clearly stacked against you. The scum referee had decided what way he was going to whistle before he even stepped onto the field.

 

[Adriano@10]

1) Lukaku definitely needs to improve in some aspects, especially when, as some of you say, is up against tough and physical defenders. I remember a couple of games where Koulibaly and De Ligt - just to name some - have had him in their respective pockets.

However...

2) When a referee is so incredulously hell-bent on ruining a football match in favor of one team as the match this latest discussion takes hold in, there's nothing anyone can do about it, let alone Lukaku.
Chiellini - as is always the case with the single most protected player in Italy - did everything he wanted to Rom with no repercussions, and if Lukaku even tried to do anything remotely physical in return, the whistle was going in one way, and one way only. At that point there's nothing you can do - not with the way our game is setup, with Lukaku receiving the ball with his back to the defender. If the defender can do anything he wants to against you, and you have no chance of returning that physicality without being punished with a foul for it, it's time to pack your bags and go home.
Remember, this is a football match where Chiellini held onto Lukaku, fell backwards on his ass, kicked the ball directly into the net and Calvarese was there - like clockwork - to bail him out at first.
You also had Lukaku fairly going for a header, touching Chiellini at the shoulders with his shoulders, Chiellini flailing and screaming, and Calvarese ruling out a potential goal of the season without as much as a second-thought. Immediately, blink of an eye stuff.

I agree that Lukaku can do better on a general level when it comes to not being outmuscled or outmatched physically, but against Juventus? No way man, not when the odds are so clearly stacked against you. The scum referee had decided what way he was going to whistle before he even stepped onto the field.

This...
As if some of you guys are new to Italian football Ref was always gonna side with chiellini if he had the chance to do so heck he s a NT player and plays for jube ... Unless lukaku is knocked out or bleeding he s never gonna get the cal when up against chiellini...

Also yes Rom could go down easier in certain situations but it is also to be said that he does not get calls that easy, i felt like there were a couple of occasions where a smaller forward would have gotten the call but Lukaku did not simply cause he s a huge tank.

 

[rfU]

This is Serie A, most of his game will not be that hard but in Europe there are 10s of physically dominant, or technically gifted or vicious (or all those three characteristics combined) defenders around, he needs to respond to the challenge and not allow those players to bully him out of the game. He has all it takes to be a bully. Maybe he lacks that vicious mentality.

I read once that Conte paired him with Ranocchia to improve his hold up play but why wasn't he paired with Skrinny instead? It's annoying when CBs i've never heard of like Magnani and the Spezia guy can keep Kaku quiet for 80+ minutes. He'd have no chance versus Dias or Sule.

This...
As if some of you guys are new to Italian football Ref was always gonna side with chiellini if he had the chance to do so heck he s a NT player and plays for jube ...

This is true but how did Dzeko and Cavani manage? Conte knows 100% Chellini's tricks, if that cunt fucker is so protected then we need to play the same crafty games too.

 

[.h.]

If I had to guess when playing 11 v 11 skriniar will always be on the same side as lukaku whereas he will play against ranocchia. Better for frog to learn his play style and disrupt him than to keep changing too much?

 

[CafeCordoba]

I read once that Conte paired him with Ranocchia to improve his hold up play but why wasn't he paired with Skrinny instead? It's annoying when CBs i've never heard of like Magnani and the Spezia guy can keep Kaku quiet for 80+ minutes. He'd have no chance versus Dias or Sule.


This is true but how did Dzeko and Cavani manage? Conte knows 100% Chellini's tricks, if that cunt fucker is so protected then we need to play the same crafty games too.

This is because Lukaku is not simply a natural target man. He never really studied or getting properly trained to be one. Only at Inter Conte made him do that and trained him to be a target. So it's not natural for him and we can see that. By pure physics, he can do the job but if the defender is any good, Lukaku has troubles doing his target man job well.

 

[brehme1989]

Yeap, Lukaku pretty much was on autopilot throughout most of his career and that hindered his development. He's nowhere near as great as he was supposed to be.

All he had to do was outrun, outmuscle and in a some occasions in the box mostly, outsmart a defender. That only works against limited players who also rely on these traits themselves.

When you're that big, strong and fast, this can still be effective at any level, except the top. Problem isn't effectiveness as much as efficiency. I don't think we ever had such an inefficient player up front, but it's good that we can keep coming up with more and more attacks.

 

[rfU]

This is because Lukaku is not simply a natural target man. He never really studied or getting properly trained to be one. Only at Inter Conte made him do that and trained him to be a target.

Smh, so what's he been training to do all this time, taking penalties? His shots hit the keeper, his leap is nonexistent, his touch is heavy or inconsistent, his dribbling is poor, he doesn't know how to use his godly physicality against talented defenders, so what has he been working on all these years?

 

[ElDuccio]

reading some comments from icardi fans here makes me really laugh. It's really stupid to criticize Lukaku after a Juve-Inter where Inter is already champion, with Lukaku scoring +20 goals and generelly being on of the best players in this team. But apparently "someone" would do better, right? incredibile

 

[CafeCordoba]

Smh, so what's he been training to do all this time, taking penalties? His shots hit the keeper, his leap is nonexistent, his touch is heavy or inconsistent, his dribbling is poor, he doesn't know how to use his godly physicality against talented defenders, so what has he been working on all these years?

I don't know, other coach's haven't clearly used him too well. They haven't trained him properly, stuff which should have been started 5-7 years ago. Conte seems to be a coach who understands what Lukaku can and should do. But of course at this point, playing being 28, it's not like you can train him to do anything you want. That ship has sailed. But Conte has improved Lukaku in these two years already so kudos to him (and Lukaku).

reading some comments from icardi fans here makes me really laugh. It's really stupid to criticize Lukaku after a Juve-Inter where Inter is already champion, with Lukaku scoring +20 goals and generelly being on of the best players in this team. But apparently "someone" would do better, right? incredibile

You can leave the Icardi remarks immediately from this conversation, thank you. Also if you don't have anything else to say than list Lukaku's achievements at Inter as some kind of counter-argument to his deficiencies, then maybe you should consider your participation to the conversation.

Also if you pay attention, the critic is actually pointed towards his coaches in different clubs earlier in his career.