Simone Inzaghi

[wera]

Changing some players and/or the ownership should come before changing coaches.

I do agree that there is a certain problems with how our defending is set up, but at least we don't look that retarded in defence every game. It seems we are evolving, but also some players are extremely fatigued this season. Too many games, not enough quality in our ranks to make it all work.

 

[andrei]

We have a coach who has vastly underperformed and so needs replacing. We also have a number of players who have underperformed and need replacing. We also have an ownership who need replacing. It's not just the coach, but to me the coach is one obvious change we should make.

Right now the transfer market is closed, our owners have no indication of wanting to sell, so I'd like to change the one thing we can control. Even when the season ends it seems unlikely we will spend on the market anyway, so academic discussions about 100-200m transfer pots don't really make any real world impact.

Here I desagree completely.
Our squad is not build to compete successfully on 3 fronts. Quality wise is too thin. We have too many grandpas (Darmian, Acerbi, Mikhi, Dzeko) who need to play week out on 3 fronts, plus enough long injuries in key positions (Skrinia, Brozo, Lukaku) to make the matter worse.
You cannot compete successfully on so many fronts which such a thin squad. Liverpool, City who fought last years on many fronts have more than enough quality depths to rotate and keep the performance at high standards. We don`t have such a luxury.

 

[varmin]

Last I checked Bastoni de vrij and skriniars were all still here.

Skrinar is mentality and physically injured, while De Vrij is a shell of the player two seasons ago.

 

[Adriano@10]

We have a coach who has vastly underperformed and so needs replacing. We also have a number of players who have underperformed and need replacing. We also have an ownership who need replacing. It's not just the coach, but to me the coach is one obvious change we should make.

Vastly underperformed in the semis of CL for the first time in what 13 years... Also gotten by far the most price money we have collected since then...
On top of that two supposed top performers out for 4 months (lukaku/Brozo), plus mgm managed to piss our captain off to the point where he refused to re sign with us and now is not playing for us any more since like FEB.....
VASTLY UNDERPERFORMED common now....

Not saying he s not to blame for any of it but circumstances could not have been shittier for him this season....
Yet our best result in CL in ages, we are in the coppa final and we are still within reach of our minimal goal in the league

 

[.h.]

Vastly underperformed in the semis of CL for the first time in what 13 years... Also gotten by far the most price money we have collected since then...
On top of that two supposed top performers out for 4 months (lukaku/Brozo), plus mgm managed to piss our captain off to the point where he refused to re sign with us and now is not playing for us any more since like FEB.....
VASTLY UNDERPERFORMED common now....

Not saying he s not to blame for any of it but circumstances could not have been shittier for him this season....

As I said, though, the semis of the CL is probably the single most lopsided draw I remember in recent history for the CL. Not taking it away from him, he's managed to get us to the semis; fantastic - but its (almost) come at the cost of being top 4 next season, which is a substantially bigger disaster than the benefits coming from making the CL semis.

 

[Adriano@10]

As I said, though, the semis of the CL is probably the single most lopsided draw I remember in recent history for the CL. Not taking it away from him, he's managed to get us to the semis; fantastic - but its (almost) come at the cost of being top 4 next season, which is a substantially bigger disaster than the benefits coming from making the CL semis.

I kind of agree but remember how everybody and their momas were hyping up benfica before we threw them out? For fuck sake we were outsiders according to most pundits.....
We have not lost top 4 yet and assuming it s only cause of our CL run is probably not entirely correct either....
Why are you assuming we stop in the semis? Bigger disaster in what terms? Maybe us making the late rounds in CL finally attracted a new buyers as they see that we are capable to perform in Europe....
Again you re just assuming will lose to bbilan and our journey is over here...

While i think there is no way in hell we win it but if we d end up doing so everything you wrote there is wrong...


Also kind of funny how everybody agrees CL is the most important competition untill our coach does better in CL then he does in serie A

 

[.h.]

I kind of agree but remember how everybody and their momas were hyping up benfica before we threw them out? For fuck sake we were outsiders according to most pundits.....
We have not lost top 4 yet and assuming it s only cause of our CL run is probably not entirely correct either....
Why are you assuming we stop in the semis? Bigger disaster in what terms? Maybe us making the late rounds in CL finally attracted a new buyers as they see that we are capable to perform in Europe....
Again you re just assuming will lose to bbilan and our journey is over here...

While i think there is no way in hell we win it but if we d end up doing so everything you wrote there is wrong...


Also kind of funny how everybody agrees CL is the most important competition untill our coach does better in CL then he does in serie A

No, to be honest, even a run to the finals is very lucky in terms of the draw. We have a potato Milan team, and basically two decent portugese teams but we've not run into ANY really hard challenge - the people like City, PSG, Real, etc. I dont think its at all contentious to say that we're lucky this season in our draw. There's nothing wrong with that, either, its just a statement of fact?

The CL is the most important competition, unless its *at the cost* of the Serie A performance. 5th and CL finalists is a worse result than 4th and CL quarters, imho, because of the ramifications next season. The only acceptable non-top-4 finish in Serie A would be CL winners.


Like, yeah, I'd happily sacrifice 2nd place to get to the CL semis/final, AS LONG AS WE STILL finish top 4.

 

[bubba zanetti]

No, to be honest, even a run to the finals is very lucky in terms of the draw. We have a potato Milan team, and basically two decent portugese teams but we've not run into ANY really hard challenge - the people like City, PSG, Real, etc. I dont think its at all contentious to say that we're lucky this season in our draw. There's nothing wrong with that, either, its just a statement of fact?

The CL is the most important competition, unless its *at the cost* of the Serie A performance. 5th and CL finalists is a worse result than 4th and CL quarters, imho, because of the ramifications next season. The only acceptable non-top-4 finish in Serie A would be CL winners.


Like, yeah, I'd happily sacrifice 2nd place to get to the CL semis/final, AS LONG AS WE STILL finish top 4.

Stop defending undefendable. Yea,we are crap under Limone in the league,but in CL we are overachievers,and if we get to the final it will be SECOND bloody time that Inter play there since CL is formed in 1993. And dont give me that crap about the draw,we had Bayern and Barca in our group. And we beat Barca's best 11. Same Barca that was fucking around with Real,current CL winner, this same season. Two years ago serial winner, with five time bigger budget and much better squad, was losing against Barca B at home and couldnt score against Shaktar in 180 minutes.

 

[.h.]

Stop defending undefendable. Yea,we are crap under Limone in the league,but in CL we are overachievers,and if we get to the final it will be SECOND bloody time that Inter play there since CL is formed in 1993. And dont give me that crap about the draw,we had Bayern and Barca in our group. And we beat Barca's best 11. Same Barca that was fucking around with Real,current CL winner, this same season. Two years ago serial winner, with five time bigger budget and much better squad, was losing against Barca B at home and couldnt score against Shaktar in 180 minutes.

I give credit to us for qualifying out of the group - I didnt really expect it. But, From r16 onwards, you cant deny this is a very lopsided CL draw?

All of the 'heavy' competition were on one half. It's not even contentious?

One half you have:

Liverpool
RM
Dortmund
Chelsea
Leipzig
Man City
PSG
Bayern


On our side?

Milan
Tottenham
Frankfurt
Napoli
Brugge
Benfica
Inter
Porto



those are not alike.

I dont think highlighting that is defending the undefendable?

I havent scrolled back the history to check but I'd bet this is one of the most lopsided CL draws in recent history.

Arguably the biggest European team on our half was... what, tottenham? Since they made the CL final somewhat recently?


If you want to prove me wrong, go back for the last 10 years and tell me what the average uefa coefficient is for each half of the draw, and lets see how that pans out?

 

[#NotForMe]

Darmian is a better player for us in this system than skriniar was. You don't even feel the absence of our objectively speaking best defender. That tells you all you need to know about our defensive setup. It almost doesn't matter who plays there, we always maintained a level of vulnerability that is unacceptable for a team fighting for trophies.

This makes no sense at all.

It almost doesn't matter who plays there

If and only if players individual performance is irrelevant due to defense set up, cause it nullifies the individual aspect since it always maintained a level of vulnerability
Then whoever plays will be identical and there will be no difference

Results:

Darmian is a better player for us in this system than skriniar was

Proved by contradiction that it does matter who plays there. (The "almost" is just some half ass saving)

The thing is when you think Skriniar is better, it is a linear comparison, but the situation is dynamic, and truth is I like Skriniar a lot and he is a beast in 1 on 1 defemding and other aspects, but Darmian actually shows better understanding of the system, and part of his ability is more suitable like posing the forward threat which acts as a minor deterrence for the opponent team to willy nilly leave their space undefended when countering, act as a swapping WB etc.

P.S. Inzaghi has a weaker team in general, and it matters.

 

[#NotForMe]

If you want to prove me wrong, go back for the last 10 years and tell me what the average uefa coefficient is for each half of the draw, and lets see how that pans out?

Actually Last year Liverpool got some easy draws too, they played Benfica in QF like us and Villarreal for semi; their group stage wasn't particular hard either A.Madrid, Milan and Porto?

Basically, we subbed out A Madrid and Villarreal for Barca and Bayern so far.

 

[Superminion]

in my mind at least there's a real risk that scraping into the CL and keeping inzaghi for another year just means the problem spirals even worse. I dont see any improvements in his Inter, the defense is worse than it has been for like 4 seasons, the strikers have been a disaster, midfield is maybe just about ok sometimes... team cohesion is poor,e tc

Who's your propose candidates to replace him with? Depending on how this season wrapped up (do we qualify for cl win & some trophy other than super coppa), all of possible candidates might look like a downgrade to limone.

 

[.h.]

Who's your propose candidates to replace him with? Depending on how this season wrapped up (do we qualify for cl win & some trophy other than super coppa), all of possible candidates might look like a downgrade to limone.

I dont know, to be honest. For me, its less about specific names, more about trying to understand what each manager's vision is, what transfers/support they need to achieve that, and then deciding if we buy into those plans or not and are capable of executing them.

 

[.h.]

Actually Last year Liverpool got some easy draws too, they played Benfica in QF like us and Villarreal for semi; their group stage wasn't particular hard either A.Madrid, Milan and Porto?

Basically, we subbed out A Madrid and Villarreal for Barca and Bayern so far.

That's a fair point. Also quite lopsided, but I think it doesnt massively remove from my point - we managed a lucky run to the semis or final - in (most) other years we'd be going out at R16/QFs. Luck is an inherent part of the CL, obviously, so its fine, but we shouldnt hold it up as a crowning achievement like its an achievement purely of Inzaghi, but just as much, of our draw.

 

[#NotForMe]

That's a fair point. Also quite lopsided, but I think it doesnt massively remove from my point - we managed a lucky run to the semis or final - in (most) other years we'd be going out at R16/QFs. Luck is an inherent part of the CL, obviously, so its fine, but we shouldnt hold it up as a crowning achievement like its an achievement purely of Inzaghi, but just as much, of our draw.

Agree part of it, definitely not purely of Inzaghi, but we still have to give him credit, and he is a big part of it; I would say more than the draws, cause I can still see how Conte could've failed us. Also I think we shouldn't brush off what his tactic can do for us against big teams it actually showed last year when we played against Real Madrid and Liverpool too, obviously, there is a limitation on what tactic can do for you though, even we didn't get favorable results it shows that he plays a big role in these games.

 

[Corrode]

too many repetitive narration on this thread. in the end, Inzaghi squad are more weaker absolutely for this season. let just see how far this team at end of the season and make evaluation from that result. bring new quality players are welcome and recommended.

 

[.h.]

Agree part of it, definitely not purely of Inzaghi, but we still have to give him credit, and he is a big part of it; I would say more than the draws, cause I can still see how Conte could've failed us. Also I think we shouldn't brush off what his tactic can do for us against big teams it actually showed last year when we played against Real Madrid and Liverpool too, obviously, there is a limitation on what tactic can do for you though, even we didn't get favorable results it shows that he plays a big role in these games.

100%, I dont think we would have gone as far under Conte, I dont disagree.

 

[varmin]

I don't understand why people downplaying Benfica? They had one of the best attacks in this year CL, and won their group on the top of P$G and Jube.

 

[Sqnalkel]

The three original defenders under Conte are still here. The big problem we have in defense is Inzaghi doesn't have a fucking clue how to organize a defense properly.

What a ridiculous statement, de Vrij is a shadow of his former self and Škriniar have been injured half a season on top of his problems with management.

 

[Superminion]

I dont know, to be honest. For me, its less about specific names, more about trying to understand what each manager's vision is, what transfers/support they need to achieve that, and then deciding if we buy into those plans or not and are capable of executing them.

The vision seems to be qualifying for CL every year till we find some new owners or be taken over by oaktree. So inzaghi job should be safe as long as he get top 4.