Stefan de Vrij

[rfU]

I think because of his vision and passing range and his reading of the game is generally better than Skrinny. That and DeVrij lacks the athleticism and speed to play in wide positions.

 

[Ed.]

Lukaku, Eriksen, Barella, Bastoni were all great... This man was our playmaker for both goals deserved a mention.

 

[thoriq_r9]

Quite a long read. Gave some insight into his subtle greatness.

https://thecorrespondent.com/469/th...en-the-biggest-clubs-cant/1104681193-7fef448c

 

[.h.]

thats a great article. It hits on some of the points I raised in the Marotta thread about professionalism, too.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah, that's a brilliant stuff. Things we don't notice in a game when we follow it (well, we notice the studs to CR7's tigh). Might explain why De Vrij is the ultimate leader of our defence (specially in 3-man one as the central CB is the clear leader and instructor there). Maybe he's the best in all the little subtle things.

 

[.h.]

Yeah, that's a brilliant stuff. Things we don't notice in a game when we follow it. Might explain why De Vrij is the ultimate leader of our defence (specially in 3-man one as the central CB is the clear leader and instructor there). Maybe he's the best in all the little subtle things.

the article does say at the end that apparently Conte is famous for doing this sort of thing as well. I hope so, because I'm a massive believer in trying to get those sort of incremental gains. Slight behavioural or positional changes is often the thing that separates a world class player from a good one - and we're far better off investing in making 1-5% benefits than trying to replace players and find new ones all the time.



Between that and the article I posted about Liverpool and machine learning, that's definitely the future

 

[brehme1989]

This isn't a new concept. They've been doing this for decades in Italy and other top leagues... Now we just have more cameras and more angles, and most importantly more data and technological sophistication.

Why do you think players in most leagues around the world sometimes spend 3 hours a day watching videos for like 25 years now? They're not watching Spongebob

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah honestly I think they do this in Italy a lot more than elsewhere. Maybe all the assistant coaches aren't paid much but at least in top clubs they surely do this kind of stuff. At least for coach's key players or players considered an important for the club, they surely do this kind of dedicated training.

 

[.h.]

I mean I think the post above is quite literal evidence that Lazio didnt do it a couple of years ago.

I suspect a lot of it comes down to different coaching styles - and dont forget, it is a substantial investment. To do it for a first team you probably need 3 or 4 people full time reviewing videos, with the tactical knowledge, etc. That might be half a million a year, or more.

Its only in the last decade or so that you really start to see a lot of heavy analysis into it - and I dont just mean anecdotal stuff like AVB watching Newcastle for JM and providing an opposition report, but I'm talking about heavy statistical analysis on things like outswinging vs inswinging corners - I cant find the report off hand right now but it was like early 2010s that City actually used some data on analyzing what was more likely to score.


I'd bet a lot of this stuff (Being systematic rather than just opinionated by a specific scout) is still relatively recent.


I mean, fuck, Inter cant be THAT professional otherwise we wouldnt send players to mountain healers to fix their knees.

And like I've posted about before, kif you look at Klopp's top signings at Liverpool, basically all bar one or two have worked out for the club - the same is definitely NOT true at Inter.

 

[Abu Bader]

In regards to the mountain healer, my understanding was that Mancini wasn't serious about it and it was sort of sarcastic response to Shaqiri as tests showed he was fine. So is my understanding of it correct? If not can you explain why would you think Mancini was serious about it.

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[.h.]

i'm not aware of any suggestion that there was any sarcasm,e tc. This is the full shaqiri comment : https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/40do42/shaqiri_one_time_i_was_injured_at_inter_and/ (or at least the comment with more context)

 

[.h.]

i can imagine his tactical coach getting back in touch tomorrow and being like... so i hear you need some more help

 

[thatdude]

Yeah it’s funny that gaping hole like the one against England is exactly how the move for the 1st goal starts.

 

[dax21]

Stefan de Vrij has now finished as runner-up in the Eredivisie, KNVB Cup, Coppa Italia, Serie A, Europa League and Nations League without ever winning a major trophy.

 

[Glass box]

Stefan de Vrij has now finished as runner-up in the Eredivisie, KNVB Cup, Coppa Italia, Serie A, Europa League and Nations League without ever winning a major trophy.

Still Eriksen losing CL and then EL final next year is the most jinxed player in our squad.

 

[RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot]

Don't forget that pen he gave to Icardi...

Seriously though this guy is the best defender in the squad. It wasn't a vintage performance but Godin and Bastoni weren't exactly playing their best either.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Bonucci reminds me of a poor man de Vrij.

 

[firmino]

On Italian tv the commentator said that he had a small physical issue in the 2-3 days prior to the match, and that in the last training session before the match he had a custom, shortened training to avoid creating any more problems.

They weren't specific though.

 

[ADRossi]

I mean I think the post above is quite literal evidence that Lazio didnt do it a couple of years ago.

I suspect a lot of it comes down to different coaching styles - and dont forget, it is a substantial investment. To do it for a first team you probably need 3 or 4 people full time reviewing videos, with the tactical knowledge, etc. That might be half a million a year, or more.

Its only in the last decade or so that you really start to see a lot of heavy analysis into it - and I dont just mean anecdotal stuff like AVB watching Newcastle for JM and providing an opposition report, but I'm talking about heavy statistical analysis on things like outswinging vs inswinging corners - I cant find the report off hand right now but it was like early 2010s that City actually used some data on analyzing what was more likely to score.


I'd bet a lot of this stuff (Being systematic rather than just opinionated by a specific scout) is still relatively recent.


I mean, fuck, Inter cant be THAT professional otherwise we wouldnt send players to mountain healers to fix their knees.

And like I've posted about before, kif you look at Klopp's top signings at Liverpool, basically all bar one or two have worked out for the club - the same is definitely NOT true at Inter.

A friendly reminder for people that in 2011 Man City's scouting department presented conclusive evidence to Mancini that outswinging corners are more likely to lead to goals that inswinging corners, and despite this hard evidence, Mancini said fuck it and proceeded to relentlessly pound in inswinging corners.

(Not to say you don't need some variety, that's obvious)

 

[forzainter257]

Injured...